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Where in NE??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I cranked up my winter running group and 5 showed. The numbers grow after Xmas.  What a wonderful run – 10 hilly miles in 20 degrees, sun out, a light dusting of snow from the night before, a little wind, great conversation and the final reward, breakfast. It baffles me when people stay inside in these conditions and run on treadmill. God will get you for not enjoying days like this.

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Where in NE???

NY, near the first cpital of the state Kingston.. — Doug Freese "Caveat Lector"

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NY, near the first cpital of the state Kingston..

The "Gay capitol" of NY.

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"friggen snow", that’s all i got to say.  cancelled my 10K race this morning in nyc’s central park, second cancelled race in a row due to snow.   donovan and i happend to be chatting at the start 10 minutes before the schedule start, as it was snowing….and over the PA system we were informed the race/chipped timing, etc…all cancelled and event turned into a non-competitive fun run.

Was the chip timing cancelled because the race was cancelled, and was the race cancelled due to "safety reasons"? ("We don

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An athlete’s running, biking, and swimming speeds are almost completely independent of each other.

        Are they completely independant even if ignoring technique? I realize that someone who has no swimming experiance and jumps in the pool isn’t going to swim to the Aerobic potential. However is there no way of predicting potential assuming average technique? ~Matt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So, any formula that tries to guess your Tri time based on only one leg, would be completely inaccurate, and pretty much useless.

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Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a 30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico

        It would make sense that the same % chart would apply to running a 1/2 maraton to a full as would a 1/2 iron to a full. Messing around with a pace calculator I found putting your 5:20 time in as a 1/2 marathon your full finish would be 11:11, fairly good for a ballpark. However I was wondering if you could predict Tri times from ones running or biking ability? ~Matt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a 30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico It would make sense that the same % chart would apply to running a 1/2 maraton to a full as would a 1/2 iron to a full. Messing around with a pace calculator I found putting your 5:20 time in as a 1/2 marathon your full finish would be 11:11, fairly good for a ballpark. However I was wondering if you could predict Tri times from ones running or biking ability? ~Matt

An athlete’s running, biking, and swimming speeds are almost completely independent of each other. So, any formula that tries to guess your Tri time based on only one leg, would be completely inaccurate, and pretty much useless.

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You could predict you Tri time using a formula but you might as well call Ms. Cleo and ask her.  It would be just as accurate. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a 30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico It would make sense that the same % chart would apply to running a 1/2 maraton to a full as would a 1/2 iron to a full. Messing around with a pace calculator I found putting your 5:20 time in as a 1/2 marathon your full finish would be 11:11, fairly good for a ballpark. However I was wondering if you could predict Tri times from ones running or biking ability? ~Matt Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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For a recent sprint triathlon (400 meter / 0.25 mile swim, 6 mile bike, 3 mile run) with mostly local competitors, the competitors’ performance on individual events was related as follows: Both men and women rode the bike 2.3x faster than they ran.  Relative standard deviation (RSD) was 10% – 12%.  Total bike times included the first transition times, thus biking speed ratios would probably be slightly higher for longer races or those with separate transition times. Men swam at 0.23x their running speed with an RSD of 16%. Women swam at 0.25x their running speed with an RSD of 19%. For an individual, the only value of this data is to determine strengths and weaknesses.  For example, the average male 7-minute mile runner would ride at an average pace of 19.7 mph and swim at 1.97 mph. Any deviation from the predictions represents a strength or weakness for that individual. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe there is a coach in Northern California who can predict your overall time based on your times in individual events, He has a book and I bought his training program software, but frankly, I’m not competitive enough to be concerned about it. If you would like, I can dig up the title of the book and the name of the coach who is also the author and post it. Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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I believe there is a coach in Northern California who can predict your overall time based on your times in individual events, He has a book and I bought his training program software, but frankly, I’m not competitive enough to be concerned about it. If you would like, I can dig up the title of the book and the name of the coach who is also the author and post it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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MJURIC: Here’s another hint: When Andrew the analytical gives up on developing a formula for something, it can’t be done! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Wildflower is my first 1/2 ever.  I’m basing my target time in each event on some historical training and racing data, combined with wanting to finish in top 15% of my age group.  It of course also depends on conditions, and how I feel on race day.  Interesting note: Same distance over different courses have a huge effect:  top 15% in 40-44 age group at WF in ‘01 was around 5:35.  At Vineman (flatter, faster), it was 5:00!  Ah hell, I’m calling Miss Cleo for her guess now. You could predict you Tri time using a formula but you might as well call Ms. Cleo and ask her.  It would be just as accurate. Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a 30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico It would make sense that the same % chart would apply to running a 1/2 maraton to a full as would a 1/2 iron to a full. Messing around with a pace calculator I found putting your 5:20 time in as a 1/2 marathon your full finish would be 11:11, fairly good for a ballpark. However I was wondering if you could predict Tri times from ones running or biking ability? ~Matt Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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An athlete’s running, biking, and swimming speeds are almost completely independent of each other.    Are they completely independant even if ignoring technique? I realize that someone who has no swimming experiance and jumps in the pool isn’t going to swim to the Aerobic potential. However is there no way of predicting potential assuming average technique? ~Matt

I’d imagine you could build in factors for that. Then you could add factors for salt vs fresh water. Then one for wetsuit vs not. Then a variable one for surf conditions. Presence or absence of jellyfish and quantity thereof (some folks swim slower to avoid them, some faster to get it over with). Distance from swim to T1, and what surface you have to run on. whether you got a good or bad spot in the transition area. Wind. Whether you got a flat. Whether you over swam and have to spend the first 5 min on the bike in recovery mode. Number of turns or hills on the course. Road conditions. Presence or absence of traffic. traffic jams at T2. Rain. Leg cramps. Number of aid stations on the run. Whether or not you shaved. Hot or cold temperatures. Whether you sped up to make sure you got some of the free beer at the finish line. Whether you were able to concentrate on your effort throughout the race, or instead allowed you mind to drift into meaningless questions like this one. Of course, then you’d spend all of your time doing math and none training. Damn! That’s another factor…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -So, any formula that tries to guess your Tri time based on only one leg, would be completely inaccurate, and pretty much useless.

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An athlete’s running, biking, and swimming speeds are almost completely independent of each other. So, any formula that tries to guess your Tri time based on only one leg, would be completely inaccurate, and pretty much useless.

For a beginner, I suspect you could create a function with limited value. It doesn’t take too much practice or training to swim or bike at a pedestrian level, it just takes stamina.  They need to be cycyling at a decent clip whree the bike model becomes more important.  Swimming can vary, but the distance is usually so short that it doesn’t matter.  So I think you could take 10k times and make some predictions for sprints.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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I agree with the other posters that there is no reliable correlation between time / pace for the different events.   The first issue is how does one event affect another  I think if you did enough practice runs and / or research, you could effectively predict this, but only for a particular race.  For example, let’s say you run 3 miles in 21 minutes from a fresh start.  Throw in a 500 m swim and a 10 mile bike before hand and that same 3 mile run might take you 23 minutes.  Try setting up mathematical models for this, and you’ll quickly see that there are multiple approaches, some simple and some could get complicated.  You might start by comparing 3 mile run times in a particular triathlon (with the run at the end) to those of a 3 mile run race, preferably at the same location and using the same athletes. The other issue is how does the distance of an event affect the pace of the event.  The simple answer to this is look at the records and calculate the average pace of each event.  As an example, you might find that winner’s average pace for a 10K was 10% faster than that of the marathon.  That doesn’t mean the marathon winner could run the 10k at a 10% faster pace than he runs the marathon, but it does give you a ballpark estimate of the effect of distance on average pace.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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Wildflower is my first 1/2 ever.  I’m basing my target time in each event on some historical training and racing data, combined with wanting to finish in top 15% of my age group.  It of course also depends on conditions, and how I feel on race day.  Interesting note: Same distance over different courses have a huge effect:  top 15% in 40-44 age group at WF in ‘01 was around 5:35.  At Vineman (flatter, faster), it was 5:00!  Ah hell, I’m calling Miss Cleo for her guess now. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You could predict you Tri time using a formula but you might as well call Ms. Cleo and ask her.  It would be just as accurate. Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a  greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a  30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico It would make sense that the same % chart would apply to running a 1/2 maraton to a full as would a 1/2 iron to a full. Messing around with a pace calculator I found putting your 5:20 time in as a 1/2 marathon your full finish would be 11:11, fairly good for a ballpark. However I was wondering if you could predict Tri times from ones running or biking ability? ~Matt Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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Never seen a comparison but I usually do 1/2 IM in 5:10 to 5:20 and full IM’s in 11:30 to 11:50.   You must remember that conditions have a greater affect on triathlon than in running.   Kona wind variations often have a 30 minute impact on time there.   Put a little wave action into the swim and major things happen to ones time. Ken DaVico – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Forgive me if I posted this already. I meant to but can’t seem to find it if I did. I have several charts that predict marathon time based on 10K or 5K times and I’m assumeing that there must be similar charts for biking and swimming. Is there such a chart fro Irons or 1/2 irons based on running or biking etc? I realize they would be siginificantly less accurate thanthe running to running comparison however if one was looking for a ballpark figure it would be usefull. ~Matt

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stop breathing

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stop breathing

i’ve tried that but it tends to cause death. and from my experiences, death is pretty hard to recover from. i try the cold water on the legs, lots of carbs and protein in the meal right after running, hydrate lots, stretching, massage…. but i still ca’tn overcome death. oh well, must continue breathing. Cam

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, so it’s real cold out and I go for a run.  It’s coldest just as I begin, so I wear my balaclava hood, pulling it down over my face. There, I’m covered and cozy looking like a scuba-diver, but enjoying the run. I breath through the material covering my mouth and am quite comfortable. Well… I begin to warm up. So, I pull the balaclava up over my head and roll it a bit so that now I am wearing it curled up – like a toque.  Okay, so far, so good.  But now I turn a corner and the wind is blasting at me. I’m getting a real cold face again, so I figure it’s time to pull my headwear down again and cover my face. Problem is, now the moisture from my previous breathing has frozen the balaclava into a permanent toque formation. It won’t budge! I freeze my face! This little scenario regularly repeats itself.  Sometimes I manage to force it down part way, but nothing to be of any use. This is a ridiculous little problem, but does anyone have any ideas?

I agree with Lorne. Most times if it’s cold enough out to have my balaclava down to start, then I want my skin covered all or most of the time to prevent frostbite. When I feel a need to vent, I pull the opening down for awhile until my face starts feeling nippy, then move it back up – sometimes less than a minute or two – and alternate as need be. I usually have a knit cap with me also. Sometimes the wind may be blowing when I start (balaclava on), but after I’ve moved out of the wind tunnel and into a more sunny area, I swap the balaclava for my hat or earband and store balaclava in jacket pockets, but then may need to replace on the way back. While my balaclava can be rolled up into a hat, it’s tighter as a hat than I prefer, which is why I swap. But I am deeply in love with my present balaclava – it’s made of windstop fabric which is really great in the wind. But it’s not as stretchy or breathable as my old balaclavas. When we had freezing, blowing rain a few weeks ago, it was like a soft helmet on my head, but it did get a little warm. Depending upon how cold it is or how long you have your balaclava up or down, you might just use a shell jacket hood over a regular hat (or your balaclava as a toque), but that would have the drawback of your breath going down your jacket and overheating you. My present balaclava is really a cross between a balaclava and face mask – it has the regular main opening like a balaclava with a small hole, maybe 1-1.5 inches across lined up with my mouth like a face mask, for breathing. If I don’t want to breath cold air directly, I just pull the mask up a little farther so my mouth is not in line with the hole, but I always have the bottom loose so I am getting air. The hole is covered with a netting – very loose. Last night (-15F; -26C but calm) I was just starting to have a little trouble with the hole frosting over, but it never froze completely. That’s the first that’s happened, but this is the first year I’ve had this balaclava and the first 40+ min run at that temp. My older ones were too porous in the wind, but they might work with the present hood that my jacket has – just haven’t tried that experiment yet. And it works great for biking and running in a triathlon at 0F. Good luck! I’m glad to hear other people have some of these issues also Dot

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But now I turn a corner and the wind is blasting at me. I’m getting a real cold face again, so I figure it’s time to pull my headwear down again and cover my face. Problem is, now the moisture from my previous breathing has frozen the balaclava into a permanent toque formation. It won’t budge! I freeze my face! This little scenario regularly repeats itself.  Sometimes I manage to force it down part way, but nothing to be of any use. This is a ridiculous little problem, but does anyone have any ideas? I’m inclined to just leave it on all the time; if it is so cold to warrant the balaclava in the first place, then I doubt I have much reason to remove it.  I would prefer to suffer being too warm in the cold, as opposed to being too cold in the cold.  If the balaclava is breathable (fleece, dryline, etc) then this option is, I suppose, more reasonable yet.

^^^^^Total comfort is not always achievable. I like to be on the warm side so I sould leave it down or actually design it so it did not totally cover as much. I cut out the center so my mouth, nose and eyes are exposed. Vasoline on the nose and cheeks will prevent frostbite to -40 wind chill in my case at least. In severe wind chill situations the direction of the course can be split, zig zigged, or retraced to allow warmup segments. If possible, plan it so you come home with the wind. Tom

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Okay, so it’s real cold out and I go for a run.  It’s coldest just as I begin, so I wear my balaclava hood, pulling it down over my face. There, I’m covered and cozy looking like a scuba-diver, but enjoying the run. I breath through the material covering my mouth and am quite comfortable. Well… I begin to warm up. So, I pull the balaclava up over my head and roll it a bit so that now I am wearing it curled up – like a toque.  Okay, so far, so good.  But now I turn a corner and the wind is blasting at me. I’m getting a real cold face again, so I figure it’s time to pull my headwear down again and cover my face. Problem is, now the moisture from my previous breathing has frozen the balaclava into a permanent toque formation. It won’t budge! I freeze my face! This little scenario regularly repeats itself.  Sometimes I manage to force it down part way, but nothing to be of any use. This is a ridiculous little problem, but does anyone have any ideas?

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But now I turn a corner and the wind is blasting at me. I’m getting a real cold face again, so I figure it’s time to pull my headwear down again and cover my face. Problem is, now the moisture from my previous breathing has frozen the balaclava into a permanent toque formation. It won’t budge! I freeze my face! This little scenario regularly repeats itself.  Sometimes I manage to force it down part way, but nothing to be of any use. This is a ridiculous little problem, but does anyone have any ideas?

I’m inclined to just leave it on all the time; if it is so cold to warrant the balaclava in the first place, then I doubt I have much reason to remove it.  I would prefer to suffer being too warm in the cold, as opposed to being too cold in the cold.  If the balaclava is breathable (fleece, dryline, etc) then this option is, I suppose, more reasonable yet. — Lorne Sundby

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O.K., so I set a goal to run a 1/2 Marathon on November 3rd. Now I need some help with a game plan to do this. Here’s how I train: Monday, Wednesday & Friday: 1.5 mile run to college, 5 – 7 stadiums, run to beach with 1/4 mile swim in the ocean, then run back to office, 1.5 miles.  Total time under 50 minutes. No rest and constantly pushing. Tuesday & Thursday: Lift weights in gym, mostly high reps. Saturday: Run 4 – 5 miles with a leg workout at gym. All my running is with a 6:45 – 7:00 minute mile pace with an occasional good day at 6:30 +/-.  I’m usually good for 5 miles but I want to increase my distances for the race.  I’d also like to chart out my mileage for each day so that I can start the serious training at the beginning of September. Is there a website I can go to that will help me chart this out? I’m coming from the Triathlon side of training but want to focus on my running now as this has been my strongest event.  I placed 4th in my age group (30-34) out of 22 competitors. Thanks for any advice. – Tom C.

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BTW, I forgot to mention that the Triathlon I placed in was a Sprint and not the Ironman style.  500 yard swim, 6 mile bike and 2 mile run.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – O.K., so I set a goal to run a 1/2 Marathon on November 3rd. Now I need some help with a game plan to do this. Here’s how I train: Monday, Wednesday & Friday: 1.5 mile run to college, 5 – 7 stadiums, run to beach with 1/4 mile swim in the ocean, then run back to office, 1.5 miles.  Total time under 50 minutes. No rest and constantly pushing. Tuesday & Thursday: Lift weights in gym, mostly high reps. Saturday: Run 4 – 5 miles with a leg workout at gym. All my running is with a 6:45 – 7:00 minute mile pace with an occasional good day at 6:30 +/-.  I’m usually good for 5 miles but I want to increase my distances for the race.  I’d also like to chart out my mileage for each day so that I can start the serious training at the beginning of September. Is there a website I can go to that will help me chart this out? I’m coming from the Triathlon side of training but want to focus on my running now as this has been my strongest event.  I placed 4th in my age group (30-34) out of 22 competitors. Thanks for any advice. – Tom C.

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Not for sale, but you may get a glimpse of her flying buy in one of the many tri’s she rocks at each year. If you are interested in the wheels, I can throw in an autograph from and unknown, but lovely, up and coming triathlete. (:

It’s not her autograph that’s a selling point, it’s her generous gift giving and support of your tri habit.  Based on much of the posting, around here that makes her worth her weight in gold.

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You know the new aero, low spoke count ones….. Used about 200 miles racing this year. 700C clinchers with, Michelen AxialPro tires and Salsa Tubes, special wheel magnet, skewers.  Like new condition (really no one will ever know, but you and me). You will only find a better ride on a 32-36 spoke wheel.  These are silky smooth. Selling because wonderful wife bought me a new tubular set of race wheels, so I don’t need two sets.  Paid $750 (with tires,etc.). Asking $575 OBO. Let me know. Before you buy.

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You know the new aero, low spoke count ones….. Used about 200 miles racing this year. 700C clinchers with, Michelen AxialPro tires and Salsa Tubes, special wheel magnet, skewers.  Like new condition (really no one will ever know, but you and me). You will only find a better ride on a 32-36 spoke wheel.  These are silky smooth. Selling because wonderful wife bought me a new tubular set of race wheels, so I don’t need two sets.  Paid $750 (with tires,etc.).

How much for that wife?

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Not for sale, but you may get a glimpse of her flying buy in one of the many tri’s she rocks at each year. If you are interested in the wheels, I can throw in an autograph from and unknown, but lovely, up and coming triathlete. (: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You know the new aero, low spoke count ones….. Used about 200 miles racing this year. 700C clinchers with, Michelen AxialPro tires and Salsa Tubes, special wheel magnet, skewers.  Like new condition (really no one will ever know, but you and me). You will only find a better ride on a 32-36 spoke wheel.  These are silky smooth. Selling because wonderful wife bought me a new tubular set of race wheels, so I don’t need two sets.  Paid $750 (with tires,etc.). How much for that wife?

Before you buy.

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GREAT SCOTT…!!!Buffalo Springs Lake Triathlon, Lubbock, Tx., does it again by bringing 3 of the legends of the sport of triathlon together again in the heat of competition.  Dave Scott, Scott Tinley, and Scott Molina will be racing head to head for the first time since 1988, on this always challenging half iron course.  Also, returning will be James Bonney, defending champion, Lauren Maule, Female course record holder, Peter Kotland, past Ultraman winner.  New to the race is a unique and tough competitor, recent Triathlete poster guy, Jimmy Riccitello, winner of St Croix last year.     Your can train for the bike course on the Compu-Trainer.  It is now being offered.We are stil accepting applications for this years race and look forward to seeing everyone in the Canyons of the Llano Estacado. Marti & Mike Greer

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This might be another post that could be prefaced with my proposed "PRESS RELESE:" tag in the subject line. Press releases always have more than one purpose, two of which are usually to promote the event and to get interesting info out to the intended audience. BTW, I’m not complaining about the post. I think it belongs here. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – GREAT SCOTT…!!!Buffalo Springs Lake Triathlon, Lubbock, Tx., does it again by bringing 3 of the legends of the sport of triathlon together again in the heat of competition.  Dave Scott, Scott Tinley, and Scott Molina will be racing head to head for the first time since 1988, on this always challenging half iron course.  Also, returning will be James Bonney, defending champion, Lauren Maule, Female course record holder, Peter Kotland, past Ultraman winner.  New to the race is a unique and tough competitor, recent Triathlete poster guy, Jimmy Riccitello, winner of St Croix last year.   Your can train for the bike course on the Compu-Trainer.  It is now being offered.We are stil accepting applications for this years race and look forward to seeing everyone in the Canyons of the Llano Estacado. Marti & Mike Greer

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My goal was to do a race and I did my first race this morning.  It was different then just going out and training.  Now I’m ready to do more… Jan 2000 – Disney 1/2 Marathon:  I would love to finish in 2 hours.  Not too unrealistic. Oct 2000 – Marine Corps Marathon:  That I simply want to finish. Long term goal:  I want to be running 10 mile races when I am in my 70’s. Nothing is more motivating than watching some 70 yr old man/woman cross the finish line ahead of most of the youngins.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Uroman!!! Good luck on achieving your goals!!!!  :-))) ~Kanga — I am not afraid of tomorrow for I have seen yesterday and I              love today

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that’s coming up soon.  Best of luck!  Let us know how it goes! Next Sunday, Corning N.Y. marathon: under 3:30 End of November, Jingle Bell Run: 5k under 20:00 (looking for #2) —

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Next Sunday, Corning N.Y. marathon: under 3:30 End of November, Jingle Bell Run: 5k under 20:00 (looking for #2) — Life is the great experiment. Each of us is an experiment of one-observer and subject-making choices, living with them, recording the effects.  - Dr. George Sheehan

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Go for it Dirk!  Running a sub 21.00 time for 5k would be truely amazing.  Sub 20.. well… that’s for next year  You can do it! – Carra – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, great. So we commit them for everyone to see. All right, you big pain in the ass. Here’s mine: Next 5K, late October–sub 21.00 time. I started the year hoping for a sub 20 5K, but I realize that was unrealistic. I just want to finish the damn year with a sub 21. And by the end of the year, even though this isn’t a running goal, I’ll go ahead and post it–I want to be able to bench my damn weight. Just one rep, with good form. –Dirk

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My main goal is to finish  my first marathon, Disney Jan. 2000 in under 6 hours .

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Uroman!!! Good luck on achieving your goals!!!!  :-))) ~Kanga — I am not afraid of tomorrow for I have seen yesterday and I              love today

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My Goals: Upper body exercies (Monday, Thursday) all 10 reps, 5 sets ~Inclined Chest Press ~Bar Bell Bench Press ~Shoulder Press ~Laterals ~Triceps ~Pushups – till failure ~Dips    - till failure Lower body and back exercises (Tuesday, Friday) all 12 reps, 5 sets ~Leg Curls ~Leg Press ~Standing Calfs ~Seated Rows ~Arm D.B Rows ~Pullovers ~Barbell Curls ~Machine Curls Jogging (Wednesday, Saturday, Sunday) To follow my daily meal plan on the days that I workout. My the time it’s track season, I’ll be ready for State!! My dream is to win the 100m and 200m at State. Before you buy.

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I believe it was George Carlin who said: "My goal is to live for ever. So far so good." I can’t say that I have many more goals left to achieve (I haven’t achieved all of them but I’m past being able to). Oddly one of the things on my list of things to do is finish a race without concern for time or position. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now)

Oh, great. So we commit them for everyone to see. All right, you big pain in the ass. Here’s mine: Next 5K, late October–sub 21.00 time. I started the year hoping for a sub 20 5K, but I realize that was unrealistic. I just want to finish the damn year with a sub 21. And by the end of the year, even though this isn’t a running goal, I’ll go ahead and post it–I want to be able to bench my damn weight. Just one rep, with good form. –Dirk

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1/2 marathon on Nov. 6 — to finish under 2 hours. RunninRich

I will be running my first 5K since April 19 of this year. The date of my Brain Event!! I would like to do 8 minute pace, my wife will kill me, or is it I will kill myself, if I attempt anything faster. The race is the Elliot Festival 5K in Elliot, Maine. I can get lost in the crowd of over 1000 runners there May my head stay intact.

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Roy, I turn Master January 2nd 2000.    David "IndyRunr"

My Goal for next October 2000 Stay injury free, Sub 35 min 10k  just after my 50th birthday What is the Equivalent Master Category, Here we are just Vets !! Steve — http://www.wolds-veteran-rc.freeserve.co.uk Club based in Grimsby, N.E.Lincs, England.

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Holy Toledo!  Those are impressive numbers.  In less than 5 months you did all of that?  I’m impressed!  O.k., now I’m even more motivated to hop back on the 10% increase per week plan.  I started at roughly 197 lbs. about 1 and a half years ago, and I’m at 179.  I’m running between 15-20 miles week now.  Looks like longer distance was the key to your rapid improvement.  I’d like to get up to 7-8 mile runs, and let the rest take care of itself (healthwise). Mark     June 1, 1999     Weight 195 (5′ 8")     Cholesterol-325     Tryglycerides-278     BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90     Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing     Sept 23, 1999     Weight 155     Cholesterol-150     Tryglycerides-125     B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57     Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.)     Goals:     To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999     Anyone want to bet against me?     P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles

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1/2 marathon on Nov. 6 — to finish under 2 hours. RunninRich

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I have been "running"  for 2 weeks, I hope to finish a 5k in december!

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Goals for the next year: Memphis Marathon  (#6) Mardi Gras Marathon (#7) Gulf Coast Triathlon (#2) Ironman Panama City (My first full Iron) The first three are part of the build for the Ironman – Wish me luck (I’ll need it!) Bil Lindstrom

Ah, another IronVirgin. <g My immediate goal is in my sig – GFT in 15 something. Long term I want to do an IM every year from my 50th to my 60th birthday.  I’ll do either Panama City next year or GFT again. Then back to Canada in 2001 to join a friend doing his first. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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Your goals and accomplishments are incredible.  I started one month before you did and I didn’t get THAT far. I’ve lost no weight (didn’t have much to begin with though) My resting heart rate I think went down about 4 beats Couldn’t run 3 minutes on the treadmill when I started and now can run for about an hour on it. My goal for the year 2000 is to run a marathon under 4 hours. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit June 1, 1999 Weight 195 (5′ 8") Cholesterol-325 Tryglycerides-278 BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90 Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing Sept 23, 1999 Weight 155 Cholesterol-150 Tryglycerides-125 B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57 Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.) Goals: To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999 Anyone want to bet against me? P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Goals for 2000: Dust the shoes off and run like the wind. The Flash

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     Just got seriously back into running again about 3 months ago, I’ve had this crazy goal of finishing a marathon for a few years (I’m 29 now). After 3 months I’ve come from barely being able to run 3 miles in 45 minutes (including hacking up lung parts I don’t know how to spell) to running 10 miles fairly comfortably in around 1:45.  I registered for the San Diego marathon on January 16th; I’m gonna finish it even if it takes me 12 hours…but I’m hoping for around 4:30 or so.

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: 400 goal = 59.9 : 800 goal = 2:29 (after 400) : 1/2 marathon goal = be standing at the finish. Hopefully under 2 hours If you will crack 400 under a minute, you can probably raise the bar in 800m to 2:20, probably even 2:15 or 2:10. How soon is 800 following 400m? —  Oleg

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Master Runner beginning Jan 1,2000

Roy, I turn Master January 2nd 2000.    David "IndyRunr"

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June 1, 1999 Weight 195 (5′ 8") Cholesterol-325 Tryglycerides-278 BP-150/100  Heart Rate-90 Could barely walk around block w/o wheezing Sept 23, 1999 Weight 155 Cholesterol-150 Tryglycerides-125 B/P-125/70 Heart Rate-57 Currently at 7-8 miles-3 times a week (9.5 minute/mile avg.) Goals: To enter and "finish" the Tulsa Run 15K Oct. 30, 1999 Anyone want to bet against me? P.S-I think the goal of just finishing is reasonable-I won’t win any trophies for 9.5 min/miles

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One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Last of 1999 goals 5mile = 45 min. Y2K goals  Master Runner beginning Jan 1,2000 400 goal = 59.9 800 goal = 2:29 (after 400) 1/2 marathon goal = be standing at the finish. Hopefully under 2 hours

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dances with dirt 50 miler. just to finish at age 60. you built your tower strong and tall cant you see its got to fall someday? townes van zandt

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Goals for the next year: Memphis Marathon  (#6) Mardi Gras Marathon (#7) Gulf Coast Triathlon (#2) Ironman Panama City (My first full Iron) The first three are part of the build for the Ironman – Wish me luck (I’ll need it!) Bil Lindstrom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One way to motivate ourselves is to tell others our goals.  I got this initial idea from Jennifer who posts frequently on this bboard, as she has posted some of her workouts and goals here.  I worship all that can run a sub 7 minute mile as I can’t do this (yet) without dropping dead onto the floor. – Carra (runner for almost 5 months now) — http://more.at/easy – Make the most of your time = money! http://start.at/carra –  My first web page http://www.studynow.com – Medical Bookstore Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I am curious if anyone has any information or a web site for this race. Thanks a million! Blair

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Try http://www.lagunaphuket.com/sports/triathlon.htm have fun, gordo in hk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am curious if anyone has any information or a web site for this race. Thanks a million! Blair

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What is Triathlete Zombies?  Do they have a website?  TIA Sean Kern 2d Lt, USAF Colorado Springs, CO "If your mind believes, your body achieves!"

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Triathlete Zombies is a triathlete store in California.  There website Kendall

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Triathlete Zombies has them on sale brand new for under $70. I got a mailer today with them advertised as such. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A PAIR OF SPLIT SEC AERO BARS WITH **BRAND NEW PADS**  OUTSIDE ELBOW PAD POSITION REMOVED FOR MORE HAND SPACE ON TOP.  OTHERWISE GOOD CONDITION. ASKING $90..SHIPPING INCLUDED —

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A PAIR OF SPLIT SEC AERO BARS WITH **BRAND NEW PADS**  OUTSIDE ELBOW PAD POSITION REMOVED FOR MORE HAND SPACE ON TOP.  OTHERWISE GOOD CONDITION.   ASKING $90..SHIPPING INCLUDED —

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Count me too!!

Julie Baker

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Deakin Uni Count me too!!

Julie Baker

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:   : : Count me too!! :   :   : Julie Baker *puts hand up as another aussie* Any others going to the UNi Games in Darwin for the triathlon or cycling? Gemm — Occasionally attends the University of South Australia, Adelaide.

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:   : : Count me too!! :   :   : Julie Baker *puts hand up as another aussie* Any others going to the UNi Games in Darwin for the triathlon or cycling? Gemm — Occasionally attends the University of South Australia, Adelaide.

Count me in for the UNI games in Darwin too. It’s going to be hot. Stuart Monash Uni, melbourne

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc Count me also! — Ian Lilly                                         Phone  +61 2 879 9500 Marketing Manager                         Home   +61 2 523 1509 Mining and Petroleum Industries                   FAX    +61 2 879 9585 Silicon Graphics Inc, Intercontinental Area       Voicemail       58890 Up and down the lane I go, day after day, year after year.       ,===/o__

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Count me in for the UNI games in Darwin too. It’s going to be hot. Stuart Monash Uni, melbourne

Oooh, oooh, I’m only a Kiwi, but I’ll be in Cairns for the weeks spanning the games (with some Melbournites actually – the Melbourne Epidemiology Group).  Wonder if I could make it to Darwin to see the tri and stuff…how much is travel from Darwin to Cairns return? (or better still, round the other way) Tri-Git, aka Myles Cockburn, Dept of Preventive and Social Medicine, University of Otago Medical School, P O Box 913, DUNEDIN, NEW ZEALAND. e-mail:

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Count me also! — Ian Lilly                                         Phone  +61 2 879 9500 Marketing Manager                                 Home   +61 2 523 1509 Mining and Petroleum Industries                   FAX    +61 2 879 9585 Silicon Graphics Inc, Intercontinental Area       Voicemail       58890 Up and down the lane I go, day after day, year after year.       ,===/o__

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: ADFA News Service (John Pollard) writes: On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Well here we go, the Kiwi’s did it, now so are we!

Count me in Tony Jeffery Australian Defence Force Academy Canberra

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On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Tri Wezel aka Stewart Ralph Canberra, Australia Well here we go, the Kiwi’s did it, now so are we!

just keep counting. john pollard               | Queensland Corrective Services

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On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Well here we go, the Kiwi’s did it, now so are we!

Count me in Tony Jeffery Australian Defence Force Academy Canberra

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What about bike prices in australia? Can you compare them with prices in the USA or are the bikes in australia much more expensive. Friedrich-von-Spee Str. 10 | 33098 Paderborn            |   Germany Phone: 05251/640740        |  

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What about bike prices in australia? Can you compare them with prices in the USA or are the bikes in australia much more expensive.

Absolutely more expensive, in my experience about 30% more. Sheesh! Regards, PB  :-)  home page:        http://werple.mira.net.au/~pb/pb.htm  triathlon page:   http://werple.mira.net.au/~pb/tri/tri.htm

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What about bike prices in australia? Can you compare them with prices in the USA or are the bikes in australia much more expensive.

I can’t give you any exact figures, but prices in the States should be much cheaper than in Australia. Regards, Richard

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What about bike prices in australia? Can you compare them with prices in the USA or are the bikes in australia much more expensive. I can’t give you any exact figures, but prices in the States should be much cheaper than in Australia. Regards, Richard

Here are a few examples of the hyperinflated bike prices in Australia; Softride Qualifier (26") A$ 3300 = U$ 2500 (This is what I ride.) Trek 5200               A$ 3400 = U$ 2550 Cannondale R 700        A$ 3000 = U$ 2200 Zipp 400/440 wheels     A$ 750  = U$ 550 Spinergy wheels         A$ 800  = U$ 600 These are but a few examples ( but are particularly relevant to tri’s.) These high prices of bikes and related gear are caused by high import tariffs and excise duties, and a relatively small domestic market for these goods. To make the situation worse (for us Aussies), by the time goods are imported privately from the US, then are slugged with shipping and customs duties, they are not altogether cheaper. This was shown by a recent article in (for all you Aussies reading) "Cycling World." This makes the sport of triathlon appear fairly expensive for newbies to get into; even so, the sport is currently expanding at an unseen of rate here in Australia; especially with the Advent of the Triathlon Grand Prix series of races. On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Tri Wezel aka Stewart Ralph Canberra, Australia "You can’t always go fast, but at least you can look good." (Anon.)

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On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Tri Wezel aka Stewart Ralph Canberra, Australia

Well here we go, the Kiwi’s did it, now so are we! Tri-nomial yet to be decided Stuart Jacobson Melbourne, Australia

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On a totally different line, just how many other Aussies are there out there who read r.s.t.? Tri Wezel aka Stewart Ralph Canberra, Australia Well here we go, the Kiwi’s did it, now so are we!

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