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But seriously Lee, one thing might be to contact a local running store or bike store in person or in the phone book.  Find out the local clubs numbers and call them for help.  Maybe they have a club run or ride while you’re there or can assist you in someway.  Good luck. David/IndyRunr Wishing you and your families a wonderful, happy and safe holiday.

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This weekend this is where I am at. Any suggestions? We are at the Reno Hilton. I’ll take my bike too, (unless ba.bicycles says otherwise) I would like to ride in Tahoe. Any secure place to leave the bike and run? Does anyone know where was that trail that was in Tahoe featured in Runner’s World  that had a great picture? Thanks for any help. Lee

When in Reno, I always run at a place called something like Hidden Valley Regional Park. All the running is on trails and dirt roads. It is well away from Reno’s congestion, dirt and gunk. It is South and East of the Airport. To find it, look at the map in the phone book. About Tahoe, you would have to compete with the snow to run on that trail that was in Runner’s World. Good Luck

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Netters– The web site for the Gallery Furniture Galveston Mardi Gras Run, the USATF National 12k Women’s Championships, is up and running.  The race, to be held on Feb. 21, 1998, features a 12k Open race and a 5k run/walk in addition to the Women’s Championships.  To find the web site, simply point your browser to: http://www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews/news/438.html The site includes all the pertinent info on the race (including the prize purse for the Women’s Championships) and a printable entry form for the race. Lance Phegley Editor Runner Triathlete News www.runningnetwork.com/runtrinews

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FYI there is a paved bike trail that follows the Truckee river from somewhere out near Sparks into Reno.  Last year it was the 15K course for the Reno Air race.

| | This weekend this is where I am at. Any suggestions? We are at the Reno | Hilton. I’ll take my bike too, (unless ba.bicycles says otherwise) I | would like to ride in Tahoe. Any secure place to leave the bike and run? | | Does anyone know where was that trail that was in Tahoe featured in | Runner’s World  that had a great picture? | | Thanks for any help. | | Lee | | When in Reno, I always run at a place called something like Hidden Valley | Regional Park. All the running is on trails and dirt roads. It is well away | from Reno’s congestion, dirt and gunk. It is South and East of the Airport. To | find it, look at the map in the phone book. | | About Tahoe, you would have to compete with the snow to run on that trail that | was in Runner’s World. | | Good Luck —

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Good heavens don’t tell me Janet "Mr Clinton is Innocent" Reno is running in 2000, and who’s this Tahoe character?  Sounds like good news for the Republicans in 2000 then if that’s the case.  The Democrats must have already lost confidence in the "Tree Hugger" (Gore).  :) David/IndyRunr Wishing you and your families a wonderful, happy and safe holiday.

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This weekend this is where I am at. Any suggestions? We are at the Reno Hilton. I’ll take my bike too, (unless ba.bicycles says otherwise) I would like to ride in Tahoe. Any secure place to leave the bike and run? Does anyone know where was that trail that was in Tahoe featured in Runner’s World  that had a great picture? Thanks for any help. Lee

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Lactate threshold (LT) refer to the exercise intensity at which the rate of lactate appearance into the circulation exceeds the rate of lactate removal, such that blood lactate levels begin to rise. It is used as a surrogate measure to reflect metabolic events within the contracting muscles, which it does to a reasonable degree considering its limited invasiveness. Because performance during prolonged exercise is determined as much by a person’s "metabolic fitness" as their cardiovascular fitness (quantified by measuring VO2max), the exercise intensity/pace/power output corresponding to LT is a very good predictor of performance ability. It is commonly believed that it is optimal to design training programs w/ respect to a person’s LT, although the scientific evidence supporting this perspective is in fact actually rather weak. Nonetheless, this approach may be better than determining training intensity only w/ respect to VO2max (or HRmax). If you really want to know your LT, you’ll have to find a lab performing such testing complete w/ blood sampling. On a practical basis, however, you can determine your own personal ‘threshold intensity’ by simply performing a series of time trials. The pace that you can maintain for e.g., 20 min will be much higher than, but related to, your LT, and can be used to plan training sessions. (Obviously an age-old concept: designing training programs w/ respect to performance ability.) While having a HR monitor may help you maintain a pre-planned workout intensity, it is unlikely to be of much use in finding your LT (or a surrogate measure thereof). Conconi has proposed a HR-based method for estimating LT, but its validity is questionable at best. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to the triathlon sceen and was wondering what lactate threshold is andhow to find out what mine is.  I do have a HR monitor and I know that’ll help.  Please help me out.  I ‘ve been reading articles about training and it seem that Lactate threshold is a subject that is always popping up and is a pretty important topic.  Somebody throw me a bone here.

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has any one seen a graph of lactate vs work rate? if anyone can tell me the exact point where lacate build up(appearance disappearance ) happens i would like to see it.

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        I am confused by your question.   I see lactate over work rate quite often in my line of work.  Essentially the lactate readings are plotted over the work load (HLa on the Y axis and work on the X axis).  One then looks for the baseline that is established in the early stages of the protocol.  At our lab we generally then look for a break in this linear arrangement and then a second break.  We use the second break as the threshold based on the research published.         The point at which the threshold occurs is individual. Some will have it occur ar 2.1 mmol while others will have it occur at 3.1 mmol.  Some Europeans use 4.0 mmol as the threshold, but this would be pretty high for the athletes I see.                                                        *                                                     *                                                 *      *           *       *      *      *         In the crude etching above, the breakpoint would be at the 5th point in (for this example I am using the single breakpoint which does occur in some athletes without a second breakpoint).  This is where lactate in the blood rises non-linearly with the work being done. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – has any one seen a graph of lactate vs work rate? if anyone can tell me the exact point where lacate build up(appearance disappearance ) happens i would like to see it.

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has any one seen a graph of lactate vs work rate? if anyone can tell me the exact point where lacate build up(appearance disappearance ) happens i would like to see it.

I’ve done a Conconi Test (on myself) several times with varying results. Sometimes there is no ‘knee’ distinguishable at all. Sometimes there is a definate straight line section and a curve, but finding an exact AT HR is difficult. I _suspect_ the closeness of the curve to the ‘ideal’ shape depends on what sort of training you’ve been doing recently – lots of fast paces stuff seems to degrade the shape. Anybody else found this? regards adrian

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has any one seen a graph of lactate vs work rate? if anyone can tell me the exact point where lacate build up(appearance disappearance ) happens i would like to see it. I’ve done a Conconi Test (on myself) several times with varying results. Sometimes there is no ‘knee’ distinguishable at all. Sometimes there is a definate straight line section and a curve, but finding an exact AT HR is difficult.

        Conconi is not a measure of lactate. I _suspect_ the closeness of the curve to the ‘ideal’ shape depends on what sort of training you’ve been doing recently – lots of fast paces stuff seems to degrade the shape. Anybody else found this?

        research has found that the "break" is not always there regardless of training status.

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I’m new to the triathlon sceen and was wondering what lactate threshold is andhow to find out what mine is.  I do have a HR monitor and I know that’ll help.  Please help me out.  I ‘ve been reading articles about training and it seem that Lactate threshold is a subject that is always popping up and is a pretty important topic.  Somebody throw me a bone here.

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As far as I know lactate threshold is the point (pulse/heart rate) where your body burns up glucose at a faster rate than your body can turn glucogen to glucose.Therefor lactate is produced (which is energy wasting).Your muscles then get stiff and can’t contract optimally.You can roughly determine your threshold by substracting your age multiplied by 0.8 from 220 (if you are female 226).For example if you are 30y your threshold would be +- 193. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m new to the triathlon sceen and was wondering what lactate threshold is andhow to find out what mine is.  I do have a HR monitor and I know that’ll help.  Please help me out.  I ‘ve been reading articles about training and it seem that Lactate threshold is a subject that is always popping up and is a pretty important topic.  Somebody throw me a bone here.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please note that these cranks are only found on ‘95 models. These are LOW END CRANKS  EQUIPPED ON LOW END P.O.S. MOUNTAIN AND CROSS BIKES! Not much relevant to the average triathlete, but somewhat relevant to the Love TomP You tell them, TomP.  If you can’t afford DuraAce you deserve to have cranks that break when you’re hammering — hell, you’d probably _expect_ it if you bought a "P.O.S. mountain bike".   Folks that can’t afford the top of the line probably would conspire with those "average ambulance chasing…" to break their legs on purpose, just to get a few bucks from Shimano, …yea, that’s the ticket!… It’s obvious Shimano thinks the cranks are defective and dangerous — that’s the basis for the recall and replacement policy.  Get a grip!

Hey, get a grip yourself.  There’s no need to go insulting the guy when he was simply trying to perform a public service, saving a lot of us the trouble of scoping our cranks trying to find those damned numbers. Bear in mind that Shimano manufactures bike parts across the entire spectrum of application, including parts that might even show up on department store bikes.  I think that Tom meant to let us know that Shimano stuff from their standard gruppos, from RX100 up to Dura-Ace, was not part of this recall.  No, not everyone can afford Dura-Ace, but a LOT of triathletes may have Ultegra, 105, or RX-100 equipped bikes, and Tom was simply trying to let that majority know that they probably didn’t need to rush out and check their cranks. PEACE!! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Please note that these cranks are only found on ‘95 models. These are LOW END CRANKS  EQUIPPED ON LOW END P.O.S. MOUNTAIN AND CROSS BIKES! Not much relevant to the average triathlete, but somewhat relevant to the Love TomP

You tell them, TomP.  If you can’t afford DuraAce you deserve to have cranks that break when you’re hammering — hell, you’d probably _expect_ it if you bought a "P.O.S. mountain bike".   Folks that can’t afford the top of the line probably would conspire with those "average ambulance chasing…" to break their legs on purpose, just to get a few bucks from Shimano, …yea, that’s the ticket!… It’s obvious Shimano thinks the cranks are defective and dangerous — that’s the basis for the recall and replacement policy.  Get a grip!

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Please note that these cranks are only found on ‘95 models. These are LOW END CRANKS  EQUIPPED ON LOW END P.O.S. MOUNTAIN AND CROSS BIKES! Not much relevant to the average triathlete, but somewhat relevant to the Love TomP

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There is a recall notice on Shimano cranks that a friend sent me notification on. It applies to both road and mountain bikes. ——- We got a recall notice yesterday on Shimano cranks, manufactured after 1994 (I get this sort of stuff, being an insurance peon).  On the inside or back of your right crank — look for the registration FC-CT90, FC-M290 or FC-MC12.  If you have any of those numbers, call Shimano at 800-353-4719, and they will replace the old  cranks, and install the new ones, free. In the past year, they’ve had over 600 reports of cranks breaking, and 22 of those incidents caused leg fractures.  (Not something you want to happen when you’re hammering up a hill!) gw

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Hi. Can someone *clarify* for me all the ways to qualify for IMH?? As far as I know they are: 1) Race a domestic qualifier…basically win your age group!! 2) Race an *official* Ironman distance race…pick up one of the slots available in your age-group. Outside of this, how does the LOTTERY work?? How do you sign up, and what are the odds of getting a slot this way?? Thanks, Bryan Maxwell IMC ‘91 Bryan Maxwell MS2, The University of Health Sciences at Kansas City, College of Osteopathic Medicine

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Hi. Can someone *clarify* for me all the ways to qualify for IMH?? As far as I know they are: 1) Race a domestic qualifier…basically win your age group!! 2) Race an *official* Ironman distance race…pick up one of the slots available in your age-group. Outside of this, how does the LOTTERY work?? How do you sign up, and what are the odds of getting a slot this way?? Thanks, Bryan Maxwell IMC ‘91

Bryan:      Both of the choices you have down is right. In order to be more specific, there is an annual magazine from Inside Triathlon that is dedicated to qualifying in Kona. I think it mentions the lottery also.      The lottery…I don’t know the address of where to get an application, but I remember it’s quite easy to get. Anyway, if you want to participate in the lottery next year, be sure to get an application next January and mail it out by March 1. Of course you need to pay the enormous fee that goes with applying ($200+), but most of that (minus a processing fee) is refunded back if you don’t make the lottery.      The lottery is held May 1 and you will know soon afterward if you’re in. The Ironman holds extra slots for Passport members, which means you have to pay an extra $50 if you want a chance at those slots. When you receive the application, it’ll all be there. Just follow the instructions and you’re in! Iron Pete Professional Rumor-Monger At Large Sub 10 hour IMC’97

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Does anyone have a good weightlifting routine for triathalon training. Specifically, I have two days a week that I weight train. I already have a solid base and would like to continue to improve.

Brian… I have been using the Mark Allen & Paula N-F taped program for 2 seasons…….It is very good… Sam

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Does anyone have a good weightlifting routine for triathalon training. Specifically, I have two days a week that I weight train. I already have a solid base and would like to continue to improve. Brian… I have been using the Mark Allen & Paula N-F taped program for 2 seasons…….It is very good… Sam

Sam, Where can I get a hold of this? –Brian

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Does anyone have a good weightlifting routine for triathalon training. Specifically, I have two days a week that I weight train. I already have a solid base and would like to continue to improve.

Do a search thru Alta Vista or Web Crawler for ‘Workout from Hell’  It was put togheter by one of the rock climbing pages and is designed to increase strength but not overall body weight.  I’ve been following it for 6 weeks now and it is living up to it’s name! If you have trouble finding it, send me mail.  I have a hard copy with the http: address around here somewhere. Scott Scott Herrick Motorola, Inc. Control Centers Engineering

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Brian,         One of the RSTers posted a message with regards to OUTSIDE MAGAZINE featuring Mark Allen’s training. Part of it consists of strength training.  A lot of RSTers including myself find the article good.  I do not have the exact URL with me but try look under the magazine thru Netsearch and I am sure you can find it there.  Lets hope that some RSTers can remember and post it. If not, I can e-mail the articles as attachments to you as I saved them in a diskette. Regards. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anyone have a good weightlifting routine for triathalon training. Specifically, I have two days a week that I weight train. I already have a solid base and would like to continue to improve.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Brian,         One of the RSTers posted a message with regards to OUTSIDE MAGAZINE featuring Mark Allen’s training. Part of it consists of strength training.  A lot of RSTers including myself find the article good.  I do not have the exact URL with me but try look under the magazine thru Netsearch and I am sure you can find it there.  Lets hope that some RSTers can remember and post it. If not, I can e-mail the articles as attachments to you as I saved them in a diskette. Regards. Does anyone have a good weightlifting routine for triathalon training. Specifically, I have two days a week that I weight train. I already have a solid base and would like to continue to improve.

Mark Allen’s article can be found here : http://outside.starwave.com:80/magazine/0297/0297fefit.html The bit on strength training can be found here: http://outside.starwave.com:80/magazine/0297/9702festr.html Enjoy! -Mark Johnson Princeton University

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Has anyone got an e-mail or snail mail address for the British Triathlon Association ? Thanks Robert Cox Wellington Tri Club

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Has anyone got an e-mail or snail mail address for the British Triathlon Association ? Thanks Robert Cox Wellington Tri Club

Here’s the snail mail address: BTA Headquaters PO Box 26 Ashby-de-la-Zouch Leicester LE65 2ZR I’m pretty sure they’re not net aware yet…give them time. Dave Cambridge Tri Club

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The BTA can be foumnd at British Triathlon Association Ltd. BTA Headquarters, Dover Leisure Centre, Townwall Street, Dover, Kent. CT16 1LN Tel : 01304 202565 Fax : 01304 214840 Pulled from the Southampton University Web Page http://www.soton.ac.uk/~triweb/bta.html Joel

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The BTA can be foumnd at British Triathlon Association Ltd. BTA Headquarters, Dover Leisure Centre, Townwall Street, Dover, Kent. CT16 1LN Tel : 01304 202565 Fax : 01304 214840 Pulled from the Southampton University Web Page http://www.soton.ac.uk/~triweb/bta.html Joel

The BTA has moved to: BTA Headquarters PO Box 26 Ashby-de-la-Zouch Leicestershire LE65 2ZR Tel: 01530 414234 Fax: 01530 560279 Stuart Bailey Crystal Palace Triathletes

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon p.s.  Anyone ever ask about some sort of computer chip or beeperthat could be used to enforce the drafting rules.           Yes  it already exists . It’s a radar chip and  is beingused on test on Toyota cars to detect people and objects at a certain distance which is pre-programmed. It could be used in every bike(when the manufacturing costs go down , of course)

—— interesting idea, but I doubt the cost would EVER drop below $100, and I don’t know how many people would volunteer to spring for the cost, and add ??? more weight to a bike. There would also be the situations at transitions, or if you pull around someone where you would be temporarily less than x feet behind someone (legally). It might be cheaper for riders that were concerned about it to have a rear-mounted camera, and snap a picture of the offender sucking your wheel?! It would be cheap to mount up one of those little box cameras behind your seat and turn them in after a race if you wanted to. Dan

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I agree with everything you say and would like to add a couple more points.  Where I am in Australia the only triathlon we see is highlights packages produced and broadcast after the event has been run.  Other than a reduced cost of production as you explained i cannot see how the issue of drafting should affect the production of a television program.  For example the ironman video this year, which was produced  for a non triathlet audience, which is the type of coverage I imagine PSE will be producing was a very entertaining report on a draft legal race.   I fear the influence of triathlon may force the sport to adopt a format similar to that of the Triathlon Grand Prix where races are draft legal over very short multi loop courses.  By short I mean typically 2km cycle circuits and 1 km run loops.   Whilst entertaining it is not I believe in the spirit of the sport.   Nick Somes

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p.s.  Anyone ever ask about some sort of computer chip or beeper that could be used to enforce the drafting rules.  

         Yes  it already exists . It’s a radar chip and  is being used on test on Toyota cars to detect people and objects at a certain distance which is pre-programmed. It could be used in every bike (when the manufacturing costs go down , of course) and an alarm would advise marshalls or whatever device to detect drafting. Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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writes: So stand up and call, fax, or E-mail PSE and tell their program director or stations that broadcast ITU races that drafting races are boring and you will not watch them No problem, what is their address?

Letters and petitions should be addressed to: Paul Morgan Pacific Sports Entertainment P.O. Box 7047 Riverside Centre 123 Eagle Street Brisbane, Qld. 4000 Australia or fax —  61-7 3839-0041. — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

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I’m a 54 yr. old former marathoner who turned to cycling for rec/fitness. I would now like to try a few duathlons and am looking for advice as I shop for a road bike. Been looking at triples (the legs ain’t what they used to be) including Specialized Allez, Trek 1220 and Bianchi Eros. Any help on this or training resources would be appreciated. Thanks.

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I have a 1991 (?) Specialized (Allez) Transition Pro (steel; 78 degree seat–steep) with a HED deep rim in front and a CF disk cover on the back. Bars are Mavic cowhorns with Profile clip-ons. Took a while to get used to, but now I like it–and it’s fast! It served me fine at the Du World’s in Hobart two years ago and then at Zofingen  last year. I’d appreciate a lighter back wheel and maybe an 8 speed cassette, but training’s more important to me than toys. Considering I paid CDN$1500, I think I got a good deal. I’d like CF for my next frame, but I think I’d be too afraid to beat it up after what I’d likely pay for it. Congratulations on picking up a new sport, and welcome to du! At least you don’t have to worry about swallowing stinky lake water in *this* game. -jord Bell-Northern Research (Big Nerd Ranch)

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Hi Frank, 1) Do not buy Trek OCLVs (they oftem break frame at B. B. area) 2) Specialized Allez is a good option.  Regards, Julio. I’m a 54 yr. old former marathoner who turned to cycling for rec/fitness. I would now like to try a few duathlons and am looking for advice as I shop for a road bike. Been looking at triples (the legs ain’t what they used to be) including Specialized Allez, Trek 1220 and Bianchi Eros. Any help on this or training resources would be appreciated. Thanks.

Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Eros Witness Church

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While I have never seen an OCLV break so I can only speak from personal experience and as we all know the plural of anecdote is not evidence but my 550 has lasted through two racing seasons, a couple of crashes and one major impact with a large auto.` As for the Allez I would check aroun because I have seen some of them break where the chainstays meet the bottom bracket. The steel used is pretty thin. Just ask around. The Bianchi is probably the more durable of the two steel bikes but I dont thing any of these would make great tribikes. Maybe something like the C’dale or the Scott bikes —     Ryun Pavlicek                                 Dept of Sociology     University of Virginia                      

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As for the Allez I would check aroun because I have seen some of them break where the chainstays meet the bottom bracket. The steel used is pretty thin. Just ask around.

         Really ? I think this is a type of cancer that affects Carbon- fiber frames, don’t you ? Trek OCLV frames also suffer from this malignant disease. Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Eros Witness Church

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OK.  We get the point Julio.  You don’t really need to post it ten times.   -Rolf —    Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. (Chemical Engineering)   Dept. of Chem. and Biochem. Eng’g, Rutgers University  –These are my highly opinionated views, not Rutgers’–

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OK.  We get the point Julio.  You don’t really need to post it ten times.  

        Dear Rolf,         Are you a Trek dealer, sponsored by Trek, work for them or just trying to do censorship  as  U. S. Congressmen  is trying to do to internet ? Remember,  Rolf,  that this place   is opened to civilized debate and anybody who disagree with me has the same right to post his ideas in a educated and friendly style . That’s enough !         Have a nice week, -Rolf —   Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. (Chemical Engineering)  Dept. of Chem. and Biochem. Eng’g, Rutgers University –These are my highly opinionated views, not Rutgers’–

Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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        Hi Mark. I think that we now have enough churches representatives to do a  RST church meeting ! All RST members  will love that !  The best part of my church is that except for the pope,  only females are admitted . They all like to" pray "on their knees. I’ve done a lot of "miracles" too…Got  it ? Hey Julio,     I think this "Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church" thing is throwing us a curveball up  here….what’s that all about?  No big flame here, maybe just a small spark of incredulity… Best, Mark Founder of the" Is Dave Scott God?" Church

Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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Oh man Oswald didnt act alone, trek was on the grassy knoll. or were they too busy trying to silence the truth from the Church of Julio.  Come on buddy we all know you and your buddies broke some Trek frames and you have made it your grand ambition to repeatedly alert the world to this injustice. That type of situation is a perfectly legit use of the net. But dont look for conspirators just because someone gets a little tired of seeing 10 times in one newsgroup. —     Ryun Pavlicek                                 Dept of Sociology     University of Virginia                      

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Julio Only women are admitted?  "On their knees?" Your "Erotic Witness Church"…hmm…If some of the women on RST read through these posts they are not going to be happy….perhaps you are just joking…. right? SBRMJM

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Jeez, Julio, anyone you didnt aggravate with your other posts might be a little turned off by your pre modern views of women.   Since I hadnt seen your name around the usenet until recently I’ll fill you in on a little secret. The number of frequent users on rst is relatively small. Because of this people tend to build a reputation, good or bad, that is contigent on the quality/relevance of thier posts. My point that is if you want people to listen when you have a comment about a product its validity is most often affected by the quality of your pasts contributions. This "on their knees" bit will certainly go a long way to landing you in people’s kill file   —     Ryun Pavlicek                                 Dept of Sociology     University of Virginia                      

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Julio is a done deal in my kill file, and personally should be in all kill files – We shouldn’t have to read this kind of trash on the RST. Carol Kinney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Ryun G. Pavlicek) writes: Jeez, Julio, anyone you didnt aggravate with your other posts might be a little turned off by your pre modern views of women.   Since I hadnt seen your name around the usenet until recently I’ll fill you in on a little secret. The number of frequent users on rst is relatively small. Because of this people tend to build a reputation, good or bad, that is contigent on the quality/relevance of thier posts. My point that is if you want people to listen when you have a comment about a product its validity is most often affected by the quality of your pasts contributions. This "on their knees" bit will certainly go a long way to landing you in people’s kill file   —    Ryun Pavlicek                                Dept of Sociology    University of Virginia                  

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I quit reading his garbage long ago!! Carol Kinney – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Julio Only women are admitted?  "On their knees?" Your "Erotic Witness Church"…hmm…If some of the women on RST read through these posts they are not going to be happy….perhaps you are just joking…. right? SBRMJM

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I’m glad to see others are more than a little outraged by this guy.  His posts to me regarding my inquiry about his "church" were way out of line, cultural "differences" or not. Best to all, Mark

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        Hi Ryun,         The pope said "one can disagree without beeing disagreeable"         Best regards, Oh man Oswald didnt act alone, trek was on the grassy knoll. or were they too busy trying to silence the truth from the Church of Julio.  Come on buddy we all know you and your buddies broke some Trek frames and you have made it your grand ambition to repeatedly alert the world to this injustice. That type of situation is a perfectly legit use of the net. But dont look for conspirators just because someone gets a little tired of seeing 10 times in one newsgroup. —    Ryun Pavlicek                                Dept of Sociology    University of Virginia                  

Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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Julio is a done deal in my kill file, and personally should be in all kill files – We shouldn’t have to read this kind of trash on the RST. Carol Kinney

        I I week more without sleeping ! The pope ! Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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   Hi Ryun,    The pope said "one can disagree without beeing disagreeable"    Best regards,

Whoa – did I miss something here?   -Rolf Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

–    Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. (Chemical Engineering)   Dept. of Chem. and Biochem. Eng’g, Rutgers University  –These are my highly opinionated views, not Rutgers’–

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Dan, (and Group)      This will be my last post on this guy….you’re right, it should go off-newsgroup…but his women bashing bothered me and I wanted to see what he was all about.I think he’s answered us. Best, Mark

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Hey Julio, What does MD stand for?  No way your a physician.  Forgive me if I missed this, but do really compete in triathlon’s or are you just *gracing* us with your presence? Spurge

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        Everyone has the right to choose which religion or church they want. In my country , everybody is free to choose whichever church to go. At least,  there is no massive suicide, neither venmous gas production in my church.  I think in the USA there is freedom of belief , or am I wrong ? You’re right , I’m joking, but one thing that we have to get accostumed to is to respect others religions. What do ya think about that ?   Julio Only women are admitted?  "On their knees?" Your "Erotic Witness Church"…hmm…If some of the women on RST read through these posts they are not going to be happy….perhaps you are just joking…. right? SBRMJM

Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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would you guys PLEASE stop this particlur discussion on the newsgroup?! followup with private email if you want to bash each other for a while! Dan Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon

Help/Newcomer/Duathlon/Equipment – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Julio Only women are admitted?  "On their knees?" Your "Erotic Witness Church"…hmm…If some of the women on RST read through theseposts they are not going to be happy….perhaps you are just joking….right? SBRMJM

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        Oh my God ! I won’t sleep the rest of this week ! A  sociologyst with bad humour !  Relax baby ! Que pasa ?   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jeez, Julio, anyone you didnt aggravate with your other posts might be a little turned off by your pre modern views of women.   Since I hadnt seen your name around the usenet until recently I’ll fill you in on a little secret. The number of frequent users on rst is relatively small. Because of this people tend to build a reputation, good or bad, that is contigent on the quality/relevance of thier posts. My point that is if you want people to listen when you have a comment about a product its validity is most often affected by the quality of your pasts contributions. This "on their knees" bit will certainly go a long way to landing you in people’s kill file   —    Ryun Pavlicek                                Dept of Sociology    University of Virginia                  

Julio Neves ,MD Brazilian Tri-DOC Founder and Pope of the Erotic Witness Church

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Can anyone tell me what happened to 220 Magazine? I no longer receive issues and their # is disconnected. Sleeper

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I just got in the mail a letter stating that it will be distributed in a another sports related magazine as an insert. If you want a refund, e-mail Bill at: Regards, Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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Can anyone tell me what happened to 220 Magazine? I no longer receive issues and their # is disconnected. Sleeper

220 US is out of business. No office, no phone, no people. 220UK is apparently still operating. Maybe they can help you out. 220 po box 613 Swindon SN14TA England ph. 011-44-1793-533-713 — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

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I just got in the mail a letter stating that it will be distributed in a another sports related magazine as an insert. If you want a refund, e-mail Bill at: Regards, Lee Rudin

True. But it ain’t 220 folks.  That’s Bill Katovsky’s (yet another ex-Triathlete editor) Multisport Mag. Too bad it couldn’t stand on its own because it is pretty good. — JJ Jeffrey Justice Oceanside, CA

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Are they still in business in UK?

Can’t really help a lot here, lest to say that the magazine is definitely still in business here in the UK, certainly as of last months edition. Andrew

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Anyone know what happened to 220 Magazine.  I subscribed, received one issue and then that was it. I believe they have gone out of business – at least in the US.  I also had a subscription that suddenly stopped midway – no notice, apology, nothing.

This is sad, but definetly true.  I was doing there web site for them. Pat

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There must be someone out there who knows the owners of 220. You vendor-people who bought ads for example. And someone must have spoken to these owners about the US mag. How can they justify stealing all the unfulfilled subscription money and not even offering the UK version to US subscribers? There was a little buzz about a lawsuit a few months ago, but the amount per person is so piddly that it isn’t even worth the trouble. But is anyone still doing business with 220? Are they still in business in UK? What kind of credibility do they have since they are now thieves? That isn’t too strong a word. They took money and promised a service. They didn’t deliver that service. That is theft. A more polite term might be fraud. Just amazing that they would not even think of a way to transfer the liability to Inside Tri, or Triathlete, or something. Brian Sullivan

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Anyone know what happened to 220 Magazine.  I subscribed, received one issue and then that was it.

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Anyone know what happened to 220 Magazine.  I subscribed, received one issue and then that was it.

I believe they have gone out of business – at least in the US.  I also had a subscription that suddenly stopped midway – no notice, apology, nothing. Sue Baker Orange County

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I just recieved a free copy of 220 in the mail and wanted to thank JJ and company, as well as offer some constructive criticisms. Overall, I like the magazine and will probably subscribe once I move. I’m also pleased to see a few r.s.t.’ers on the staff (I also saw a bunch in the top ranks of Tri-Fed…does r.s.t. rule the U.S. triathlon world?). The attention paid to age-groupers or "local pros" is fantastic! Keep it coming. The only negatives I saw were in regard to layout and design. I didn’t think the cover looked all that great, though the graphics inside were attractive. Also, a few photos inside were out of focus, badly cropped, etc… although I’ll take a slightly out of focus picture of an age-grouper over another well-done promo shot of a pro any day. Lastly, in the article on Alec Rukosuev, the tracking on the first interview question is so tight that the question is illegible. Take heart though, 220. These are very minor glitches in a fine magazine, and ones that only someone who knows a bit about publishing and graphic art would catch. Keep up the good work, and I look forward to seeing your magazine grow. — | Jonathan Acey Albert             | | University of Florida            | | http://nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu/~acey |

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I concur with Jonathon.  The July issue of 220 is a winner. Unlike the "other" glossy tri magazine, 220’s articles are interesting, different, and informative.  I find myself reading every article.  Congrats. JJ, where can we get one of those cool 220 t-shirts (as modeled by Ralph Perry and Katie Knight-Perry on page 56)? Cory H.

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I also read every word of 220, but I have to confess I could do without movie reviews. Give me another two pages of race results, pictures, or ads showing too-expensive cool bike stuff and leave the movie commentary to others. Brian Sullivan

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I also read every word of 220, but I have to confess I could do without movie reviews. Give me another two pages of race results, pictures, or ads showing too-expensive cool bike stuff and leave the movie commentary to others. Brian Sullivan

Hey there is more to life than triathlon ( blasphemy, I know) but i liked JJ s approach to the sport, for most age groupers it is an enhancement to our lifestyles not a buisness as portrayed in other venues. 220 presented triathlon as fun and i like that  attitude. PS. JJ is it true your gone? Bruce Platt

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I am being harrassed by an agitated Taswegian to clarify any inference made in my post about the Devonport round of the Oz Tri Championships. Remember folks, this is where the Tasmanian devil (of Bugs Bunny fame) comes from, so one has to treat these highly parochial species with due sensitivity It appears that I had inferred that, if it’s cold in Melbourne, it’s colder in Tasmania.  As a rule, it is – significantly.  This wasn’t the case that _particular_ Sunday – an exception, to be sure, to be sure. Competitors still suffered the freezing cold water, this they _did_

whinge about.  However, on discussing with Taswegians and participants, the day was quite "toasty", which is a remarkable turnaround from last year’s Devonport Tri.

Well, I thought the water was quite nice for a Tasmanian Tri, not that that makes it remotely tropical, but it was one of the warmest I’ve done down here. Anyway, the coldest water I’ve ever come across in a Tri was in Perth, West Australia – Figure that one out! (Perth is a _hot_ place) |   James Watson        | "It is incident to physicians, I am afraid, | |                       | beyond all other men, to mistake subsequence| |  Vet Clin Path        | for consequence."    Samuel Johnson         | | + Fisheries Tasmania  |   Phone: +61 03 36 5222 fax: +61 03 44 3085 |

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I was in Melbourne on the 13th of March – by the beach.  It was ‘orrible. The wind was well over 20 knots.  There was a chill in the air which would make any tourist wonder where they were.  Not so for Melburnians. We know what Melbourne can be like.  The chill factor was enough to keep all but the foolhardy indoors. There is a bright side to being in Melbourne.  If it’s cold here, it’s bloody freezing in Taswegia, that outpost which is frequented by penguins who lose their way in the Antarctic, and on doing so move to melbourne anyway (it’s warmer!).  It was on this day that the Australian Olympic Distance Championships were held in Devonport, Tasmania. Taken from "The Australian" (a national daily paper) 14th March ‘94:                 "Beven earns rest with show of courage" "Brad Beven showed why he is Australia’s best triathlete with a courageous victory in the premier event, the Australian Olympic Distance Championships, in Devonport yesterday. Beven suffering race fatigue from a gruelling schedule this summer [more about this later - pnm], overcame a strong challenge from Victorian [yay!] Tim Bentley [an almost Scott Tinley look-alike ] to hold a 14-second advantage at the finish. After 14 races in eight weeks, he is now headed for a lengthy break [does this mean he won't be doing the long-course at Frankston (Melb, Vic) on the 20th as advertised? If Melbourne whether is any indication, the Queenslander will be flying north soon - pnm]. “I think now my body needs a rest.  I felt good on the bike but not as good as I should have on the run.” [This could be rationalising Tim Bentley's amazing catchup, but then there aren't many that can match Tim, once he's in full stride.  You have to see him run to believe it - pnm] Beven, who is based in Queensland, had to come to terms with the cold conditions of the river swim and the tight undulating cycle course which forced him out of the race last year. “I couldn’t feel my feet until halfway through the run because of the cold swim and I took things a bit easier around where I fell last year, just to make sure I got around.” [Hah!  I've got more on cold feet later! - pnm] The race was held over a 1.5km swim, 40km cycle and 10km run with the first two placegetters gaining automatic selection for the Triathlon World Championships in New Zealand on November 27. Bentley earned himself a trip to NZ with a scintillating run, the fastest of the day by 40 seconds.  Queenslander Marc Lees was third almost two minutes behind Bentley. In the women’s event, Byron Bay’s Jackie Hallam made up tremendous ground over the last five kilometres to win her first national championship [Hmmm.. isn't that close to Mullumbimbi of Mullumbimbi Madness fame?  Must be those hip weeds up there - pnm] Hallam was in fourth place after the cycle leg, more than three minutes behind race record holder and defending champion, Bianca van Woesik. Separating them were Victorian [yay!] Emma Carney and Queensland’s Jackie Gallagher, both Australian distance running representatives [the pint-sized Hallam is no slouch in the run, she is a national level marathoner - pnm]. Hallam caught Gallagher quickly and overhauled a tiring Carney after five kilometres. She caught van Woesik on the final hill with three kilometres remaining. Gallagher also passed van Woesik to claim second place with Carney forced to withdraw due to fatigue less than three kilometres from the finish. “Coming off the bike, I certainly didn’t expect to win.” “The course is a tight course.  You can’t see where you are so it was difficult to see how far in front the leaders were,” Hallam said. The race was the fifth round of the 1994 Cadbury Tour and Carney and men’s tour leader Simon Knowles were expected to gain an unbeatable lead with three rounds remaining. Instead, Carney’s withdrawal opened up the women’s series with seven athletes now challenging for the overall title. Fellow Victorian [yay!] Knowles was also forced to pull out of the race which has opened the door World indoor champion Miles Stewart to return for the remaining races to claim the series [Stewart beat Knowles in January's Sprint Distance Tri at St Kilda in Melbourne (where else).  I competed too, but my good nature let them win ]. In the women’s division, the consistent Helen MacGeachie from New South Wales now leads the tour on 40 points, ahed of Hallam and Carney on 39. The next race in the Cadbury tour is the Australian long-course championship in Frankston on March 20.                         AAP" —— < End of Article ——- Yes, well it’s no surprise that Beven’s pooped.  The Tooheys Blue Triathlon Series took its toll on quite a few participants.  The last race showed just how much the organisers cared for the competitor’s safety, they were canon fodder!  Riccini (forgive the spelling) fell at least three times on the bike and was a mess, yet was ‘coaxed’ to continue, the threat of next year’s contract hanging over his head.  He was really distressed at the end of the race.  But it made ‘good viewing’. Greg Bennet withdrew after having had _ENOUGH_! damage to his person (mostly on/off the bike), but was then amazingly seen completing the course, about 4 minutes behind the rest.  He didn’t look to pleased with _someone_, but he was portrayed as a determined competitor.  Sounds like TVspeak to me, I’d love to have heard him say what was on _his_ mind!  Simon Knowles didn’t finish (injured).   It was a battlefield.  And the organisers were culpable for not doing something to reduce the danger brought on by rain and going through the brick-paved lobby of the (Novotel?) hotel.  There was just one corner where most of the crashes occurred.  Bentley, Knowles (I think), Riccini, Spot Anderson (who actually managed a smile after one), Bennet and I’m sure a host of others got a closeup of the asphalt just after exiting the lobby.  But did the organisers change the course in followup races (where crashes went on and on and on …)?  Nope.  Vested interest?  Yup.  Crashes make good viewing?  Yup.  Couldn’t be bothered altering the course ‘cos it might mean thinking?  Yup. Greg Welch showed up with both hands in plaster – broken bones from the previous race’s highlights.  That wasn’t the course’s fault, he couldn’t avoid Slater who crashed just ahead of him.  I think the scaphoid (sp?) in one hand was broken and a " .. hook .. " something or another is the prize for the other.  He and Beven were neck and neck.  Indeed, looking at the previous race (where Welch crashed), Beven looked tired and Welch had taken the first in three (or four?) to be run that day.  Then the crash. You could almost see Beven sigh with relief and race conservatively after that.  No, Welch did not compete in the last race of the series , though he may have had good protection.  Plaster is pretty effective!  I’m sure he’ll mend by Kona, so you lot will still have to find someone to run into him before _that_ race (again), just to make sure the winner is a yank It’ll be interesting to see whether Beven _does_ compete in the Frankston long course on the 20th.  He won that (easily) last year.  However, it takes fortitude to do tris in Melbourne, and given his comments about his toes in Devonport, we may not see him this year at Frankston. Michellie Jones was advertised to compete in last month’s Sorrento triathlon (27th Feb), but was suffering from jet-lag.  I think she new what she was in for.  It felt like the first of the biblical 40 days and nights!  You needed a Nikonos camera to take shots – on the bike and run!!  You needed floaties for the bike!  The run, well you had to compete against torrents of water which always seemed to be flowing towards you .  Then the beach, good for quick times .  Then the scenic tour to the helipad and back.  If I knew it was going to be a cross country run, I would have come prepared.  The swim was amusing to say the least.  Apparently, no one told the organisers about the tide and the proximity of Sorrento to the heads of Port Phillip Bay (their combined effect affectionately known as THE RIP).  Apart from the 700m looking physically at least 900m, the tide played some marvelous tricks. Anyone who stopped or tried to do a breast stroke/dog paddle, went backwards. Going on the fastest swimmer, the swim was 1.2km, not 700m.  Thankfully there was no chop, which is probably why (for the first time ever!) I didn’t panic in the swim.  In fact, I astonished myself by actually passing people.  Even those from the wave in front!!  I even came out in the main pack!  I actually felt good!  The rip may have had a flattening effect on any potential chop, and advantaged those who streamlined themselves more than others. Amazingly, I saw about four or five guys walking their bikes back just in the first 4k of the bike course.  That was the hilly bit, but I think the rain may have been a bit too much for some.  I chatted to Geoff Hall the week after and he decided not to do it.  You really couldn’t blame anyone for not doing it, it was monsoon weather.  Why did I?  well, I live in Melbourne, we’re used to it (aren’t we?).  Geoff (Melburnian) came 7th in last Sunday’s NZ Ironman (see results already posted by someone else).  I guess he didn’t want to catch a cold at Sorrento, a fortnight prior. Yup, you’ve got to be of sturdy stuff to do tris in Melbourne, or anything which involves dipping your feet in the water.  I thought frozen feet on the run was normal.  What’s Beven going on about?  I remember the Ironman series earlier this year (not triathlon – Surf Life Saving competition) at the Portsea backbeach (the open ocean side of Port Phillip Bay).  If you just survived the freezing waters and demonic waves, you had a great chance of winning.  I did a bit of running on that beach before (and after) the Sorrento event.  It’s a beautiful spot to push your running limits without risking injury, but watch the … read more »

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