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ps: Thanks for thinking of me.

We are.

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Dude, I wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was being rude when I posted "the other side is good"  or something like that.  What I meant is that when all the downers are over, it feels so good to take a breathe of fresh air and to press on.

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Dude, I wanted to make sure you didn’t think I was being rude when I posted "the other side is good"  or something like that.  What I meant is that when all the downers are over, it feels so good to take a breathe of fresh air and to press on.

Nope, not at all bro…for you speak the truth…life goes on!

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Coolness!  Me too.  Going to fetch the boat tomorrow

Whoo Hoo…get that sucker in the water and have a blast! Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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Sorry to hear that dude. Take care of yourself Thanks Anna! I was going to *ping* you since you own a Dude Pit Limited Edition…look at this thread on The Pit please and post your info. http://p219.ezboard.com/fthedudepitfrm21.showMessage?topicID=715.topic

Hi ya Yes I would if I could My boyfriend has kidnapped the green un so it’s actually his now – so I haven’t got access to the serial no. (yes we still live apart). Anna — iChat/AOL/ICQ: annabassand (AOL/AIM handle)

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Sorry to hear about your string of bad luck.

Yes, but I’ve aslo had a bigger string of good luck..details forthcoming. Gonna be too busy soon for a relationship anyway. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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Yes, but I’ve aslo had a bigger string of good luck..details forthcoming. Gonna be too busy soon for a relationship anyway.

Coolness!  Me too.  Going to fetch the boat tomorrow Dad arrived safe.  He’s sleeping upstairs. ROAD TRIP!!! —    O< "There is nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing /()    as simply messing about in boats."   ~Wind In The Willows    ^^                                                      Slidell, LA

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I hope you’re smiling again when I see you at NAMM.

I’ll be there with bells on Clive don’t worry and this year I I won’t be bringing my entourage of 5 like I did last year which was a disaster for me since I had to worry about keeping all my "ducks" in line behind me the entire show. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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No biggie.  Just worried. Sorry to hear about your string of bad luck. David

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m here….hectic month….School of Bass a few weeks ago and still digging out from all the emails, dealing with over 30 Lakland’s I ordered at NAMM that are now in at the factory, Dr’s appointments with Pop who continues to decline in heath and the cherry on top is that Dee and I called it quits after nearly 7 years together….the 1,000 mile distance just finally took it’s toll after 18 months. Just a lot on my plate and not all of it good I’m afraid. Need something David? Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m here….hectic month….School of Bass a few weeks ago and still digging out from all the emails, dealing with over 30 Lakland’s I ordered at NAMM that are now in at the factory, Dr’s appointments with Pop who continues to decline in heath and the cherry on top is that Dee and I called it quits after nearly 7 years together….the 1,000 mile distance just finally took it’s toll after 18 months. Just a lot on my plate and not all of it good I’m afraid. Need something David? Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

Sorry to hear that dude. Take care of yourself /Anna — iChat/AOL/ICQ: annabassand (AOL/AIM handle)

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I hope you’re smiling again when I see you at NAMM. All the best mate. C

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Hey, I’ll be coming through Santa Rosa in late July (the Vineman triathlon). Is that where your Vintage Bass Trading Co. has its physical incarnation? It would be fun to stop by. If not, oh well. Hang in there with the waves life is tossing you. With luck, you will be able to surf them. Andrew http://www.andrewduncan.ws

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Sorry to hear that dude. Take care of yourself

Thanks Anna! I was going to *ping* you since you own a Dude Pit Limited Edition…look at this thread on The Pit please and post your info. http://p219.ezboard.com/fthedudepitfrm21.showMessage?topicID=715.topic

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Hey, I’ll be coming through Santa Rosa in late July (the Vineman triathlon). Is that where your Vintage Bass Trading Co. has its physical incarnation? It would be fun to stop by. If not, oh well.

Sorry Andrew but VBTC relocated to Arizona going on 2 years ago now. Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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Sad to hear that. I wish you a lot of courage, and little bit of luck.

Thanks Henry…this too shall pass.

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Just a lot on my plate and not all of it good I’m afraid.

Hang in there man.  Might get rocky but there’s always the other side to make up for it.

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Sad to hear that. I wish you a lot of courage, and little bit of luck. — Henry! "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this guitar’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m here….hectic month….School of Bass a few weeks ago and still digging out from all the emails, dealing with over 30 Lakland’s I ordered at NAMM that are now in at the factory, Dr’s appointments with Pop who continues to decline in heath and the cherry on top is that Dee and I called it quits after nearly 7 years together….the 1,000 mile distance just finally took it’s toll after 18 months. Just a lot on my plate and not all of it good I’m afraid. Need something David? Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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ps: Thanks for thinking of me.

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He has been conspicuously absent lately. DA

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I’m here….hectic month….School of Bass a few weeks ago and still digging out from all the emails, dealing with over 30 Lakland’s I ordered at NAMM that are now in at the factory, Dr’s appointments with Pop who continues to decline in heath and the cherry on top is that Dee and I called it quits after nearly 7 years together….the 1,000 mile distance just finally took it’s toll after 18 months. Just a lot on my plate and not all of it good I’m afraid. Need something David? Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com http://www.schoolofbass.com Another one coming soon!

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A quick scan of an old USATF rulebook doesn’t reveal any obvious rule(s) such a device would violate.

Begging to differ.  The 2001 Competition Rules book, Rule 71, clearly states: "In all events competitiors must wear clothing….so as not to be objectionable." If as the previous post states: "So next time you see a racer with ram air ducting tucked down his pants, you’ll know what’s going on…" I’m disgusted, therefore, it’s objectionable. Jennifer – DQed

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At last, the ultimate cheat – scientists in the States have developed an artificial lung, which can be implanted temporarily to provide around half the oxygen the body needs.

[snip] A quick scan of an old USATF rulebook doesn’t reveal any obvious rule(s) such a device would violate. There may be some general "fairness" clause that could be applied. Then there is the subsidiary issue of in competition vs out of competition. I can’t see any advantage one could get from training with the booster lung and abandoning it at race time. Imagine how it would feel to race with some breath-restricting gauze tied across your mouth. On the other hand, people already use the opposite training strategy and it seems to be perfectly legal. Suzy Hamilton, for one, is known to sleep in a tent that is partially evacuated to simulate high altitude conditions. I wonder about surgical implants of extra human lungs? Imagine the tear jerker about the no-talent high school miler who gives up one of his lungs so his talented sister can reach the olympics with the power provided by the extra lung. Or animal lungs? Should the rules allow an extra cheetah lung on board? — Terry R. McConnell   Mathematics/304B Carnegie/Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-1150

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At last, the ultimate cheat – scientists in the States have developed an artificial lung, which can be implanted temporarily to provide around half the oxygen the body needs. How long will it be before the leading Tour teams are secretly stashing them inside top riders for the duration of the race? No more drug testing problems when you’ve got a third lung… They’ll need x-rays for that. The device is reportedly about 18-inches long and is inserted through a vein in the leg and threaded up into the vena cava, the major vein returning blood to the heart. It consists of hollow fiber membranes that introduce oxygen into the blood and remove carbon dioxide. The oxygen source sits outside the body and is attached to the catheter by tubes. So next time you see a racer with ram air ducting tucked down his pants, you’ll know what’s going on… Full details in this Reuters story at: http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=science&Repository=SCI… Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – It seems to me I heard somewhere that BobMac wrote in article I have one that is worse than this: Back in 1995 or so in a (name-less on purpose) triathlon on the ) South Carolina coast, one of the aid stations (run mile 3?) started running out of all fluids, so they diluted what they had left with SEAWATER ! I was told that by mile 4 there were dozens of traithletes on their knees, puking. That first "world championship" triathlon in Nice (IIRC) where the organizers heard that most competitors were happy with half-strength gatorade? Half-strength means you use half as much water, right? Same result, except the triathletes with their own support organizations ran on, while the other were out in a hurry. On the off-chance that you’re serious, no, ‘half strength’ means half as much active ingredient per volume unit, or twice as much water as the directions call for.  No wonder people got sick.

Yeah, I know that. You know that. The people who organized the supposedly "world class" race…. didn’t know that. BobMac

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I’ve been in several races where garden hosewater (ie, reclaimed sewer water) has been passed out in a well-meaning but ill-advised effort to make up for supply shortages.  This is something I never really thought about.  A volunteer could put whatever they want into your drink and you would be hard pressed to find out who it was if the substance caused a reaction.  Yuck.  Seawater?  That’s just downright stupidity or colossal vindictiveness. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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Hmmmm…I wonder if it was the beer Freestate brews for the bicyclists?  Yum! http://freestatebrewing.com/ Damn, I miss Lawrence Kansas.  That was the most interesting place I’ve ever lived. -Matt

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I’ll have to second that Jeremy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hmmmm…I wonder if it was the beer Freestate brews for the bicyclists? Yum! http://freestatebrewing.com/ Damn, I miss Lawrence Kansas.  That was the most interesting place I’ve ever lived. -Matt

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I have one that is worse than this: Back in 1995 or so in a (name-less on purpose) triathlon on the ) South Carolina coast, one of the aid stations (run mile 3?) started running out of all fluids, so they diluted what they had left with SEAWATER ! I was told that by mile 4 there were dozens of traithletes on their knees, puking.

That first "world championship" triathlon in Nice (IIRC) where the organizers heard that most competitors were happy with half-strength gatorade? Half-strength means you use half as much water, right? Same result, except the triathletes with their own support organizations ran on, while the other were out in a hurry. BobMac Don’t get me started about French logic….

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that BobMac wrote in article I have one that is worse than this: Back in 1995 or so in a (name-less on purpose) triathlon on the ) South Carolina coast, one of the aid stations (run mile 3?) started running out of all fluids, so they diluted what they had left with SEAWATER ! I was told that by mile 4 there were dozens of traithletes on their knees, puking. That first "world championship" triathlon in Nice (IIRC) where the organizers heard that most competitors were happy with half-strength gatorade? Half-strength means you use half as much water, right? Same result, except the triathletes with their own support organizations ran on, while the other were out in a hurry.

On the off-chance that you’re serious, no, ‘half strength’ means half as much active ingredient per volume unit, or twice as much water as the directions call for.  No wonder people got sick. — My new contact address is in Reply to: Don

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Is that the 10k held out at Lone Star Lake?  From what I have heard that race has always been a mess. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought I’d seen all the things that race organizers could do wrong (and they did a lot of them in this race), but this one surprised even me. At the second water station in the Governor’s Cup 10K, somewhere around mile 3 (the miles weren’t marked so I don’t know exactly), the water tasted of alcohol — beer, I think, though someone else thought it might be vodka. Several runners smelled it before they had any; others spit it out. I was pretty much wiped out and had it all the way down before it registered. This all came on top of a bunch of other serious screw-ups by the organizers: — The race started five minutes early while some runners were half a block away doing strides or stretching. The two-minute "penalty" may have cost me an age-group placing. — The miles weren’t marked well; I only saw one marker. — "Splits" were being read from stopwatches around the course, but they were at turns and intersections — in effect, placed at random. Not helpful at all. — Before reaching the finish line the runners had to make a loop around the parking lot. The loop was virtually unmarked, and it wasn’t on the course map provided with the race packet. I thought I was approaching the finish line (again, since the miles weren’t marked, I had no idea how far I’d run) but saw the narrow end of the chute was pointed toward me rather than away from me. I had to slow down and ask a race volunteer for directions. — The finish line ran out of water by the time I got there (50 minutes or so). Overall this was the worst job of putting on a race I’ve ever seen. (The Freedom Run 10K in Lenexa, Kansas, a few weeks ago was almost as bad.) Interestingly, there’s no race director listed in any of the race materials. Apparently no one wants to take responsibility. Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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I have one that is worse than this: Back in 1995 or so in a (name-less on purpose) triathlon on the ) South Carolina coast, one of the aid stations (run mile 3?) started running out of all fluids, so they diluted what they had left with SEAWATER ! I was told that by mile 4 there were dozens of traithletes on their knees, puking. Got questions?  Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com

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drink that beer http://community.webtv.net/ultrajohn1/facialsallaround

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There is a race in Wausau, WI called Kimberly’s Ru that is a similar joke of a effort. But as the RD told me last year, "it’s all for charity."

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Whats wrong with you????? You do a little bit of running and you develop a sudden fear for beer? drink that beer http://community.webtv.net/ultrajohn1/facialsallaround

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Reggie, He couldn’t say for sure if it was beer.  remember: "the water tasted of alcohol — beer, I think, though someone else thought it might be vodka. Several runners smelled it before they had any; others spit it out." The worst part would be *not* knowing what it really was.  Heck if it were Miller lite I’d probably spit it out also!  ;-) Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Whats wrong with you????? You do a little bit of running and you develop a sudden fear for beer? drink that beer http://community.webtv.net/ultrajohn1/facialsallaround — Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/

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The water station might have been an unofficial one. I’ve been in races where some screwballs thought it would be funny to hand beer to the runners. Where were they after the race?

It was official, more or less where the course map said it would be. Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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Is that the 10k held out at Lone Star Lake?  From what I have heard that race has always been a mess.

It wasn’t at Lone Star, but it might be the same race; I’m not sure. It was certainly a mess. And someone told me last year was worse. <shudder Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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I thought I’d seen all the things that race organizers could do wrong (and they did a lot of them in this race), but this one surprised even me. At the second water station in the Governor’s Cup 10K, somewhere around mile 3 (the miles weren’t marked so I don’t know exactly), the water tasted of alcohol — beer, I think, though someone else thought it might be vodka. Several runners smelled it before they had any; others spit it out. I was pretty much wiped out and had it all the way down before it registered. This all came on top of a bunch of other serious screw-ups by the [snip]

The water station might have been an unofficial one. I’ve been in races where some screwballs thought it would be funny to hand beer to the runners. Where were they after the race? — Terry R. McConnell   Mathematics/304B Carnegie/Syracuse, N.Y. 13244-1150

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I thought I’d seen all the things that race organizers could do wrong (and they did a lot of them in this race), but this one surprised even me. At the second water station in the Governor’s Cup 10K, somewhere around mile 3 (the miles weren’t marked so I don’t know exactly), the water tasted of alcohol — beer, I think, though someone else thought it might be vodka. Several runners smelled it before they had any; others spit it out. I was pretty much wiped out and had it all the way down before it registered. This all came on top of a bunch of other serious screw-ups by the organizers: — The race started five minutes early while some runners were half a block away doing strides or stretching. The two-minute "penalty" may have cost me an age-group placing. — The miles weren’t marked well; I only saw one marker. — "Splits" were being read from stopwatches around the course, but they were at turns and intersections — in effect, placed at random. Not helpful at all. — Before reaching the finish line the runners had to make a loop around the parking lot. The loop was virtually unmarked, and it wasn’t on the course map provided with the race packet. I thought I was approaching the finish line (again, since the miles weren’t marked, I had no idea how far I’d run) but saw the narrow end of the chute was pointed toward me rather than away from me. I had to slow down and ask a race volunteer for directions. — The finish line ran out of water by the time I got there (50 minutes or so). Overall this was the worst job of putting on a race I’ve ever seen. (The Freedom Run 10K in Lenexa, Kansas, a few weeks ago was almost as bad.) Interestingly, there’s no race director listed in any of the race materials. Apparently no one wants to take responsibility. Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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Brian, But would you do it again? I was in 1/2 marathon where they ran out of cups on all the water stops on the return trip.  The didn’t have any sports drink left for the slower runners.  Then they also ran out of Sports drink at the end right before I got back. They did manage to get some sports drink later, but I’d never seen the likes of it before and wasn’t about to test that stuff out so far from home.  Heck you couldn’t even see what the drink looked like because of the container it was in. As for why they ran out of cups, well the cups were so small, people would take two of them, and it was basically an out and back with a 4 block loop for the turn around.  So that means each water stop should have stocked at least 4 cups per runner, or bigger cups. I feel so sorry for the people at the water stops that were trying to help the people out and couldn’t. But would I do it again.  I sure would, but if I do, I’ll be carrying my own water and have Sports drink stored in my Vehicle.  It was a *one* sponsor race by the way, so that would explain the low budget to me. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I thought I’d seen all the things that race organizers could do wrong (and they did a lot of them in this race), but this one surprised even me. At the second water station in the Governor’s Cup 10K, somewhere around mile 3 (the miles weren’t marked so I don’t know exactly), the water tasted of alcohol — beer, I think, though someone else thought it might be vodka. Several runners smelled it before they had any; others spit it out. I was pretty much wiped out and had it all the way down before it registered. This all came on top of a bunch of other serious screw-ups by the organizers: — The race started five minutes early while some runners were half a block away doing strides or stretching. The two-minute "penalty" may have cost me an age-group placing. — The miles weren’t marked well; I only saw one marker. — "Splits" were being read from stopwatches around the course, but they were at turns and intersections — in effect, placed at random. Not helpful at all. — Before reaching the finish line the runners had to make a loop around the parking lot. The loop was virtually unmarked, and it wasn’t on the course map provided with the race packet. I thought I was approaching the finish line (again, since the miles weren’t marked, I had no idea how far I’d run) but saw the narrow end of the chute was pointed toward me rather than away from me. I had to slow down and ask a race volunteer for directions. — The finish line ran out of water by the time I got there (50 minutes or so). Overall this was the worst job of putting on a race I’ve ever seen. (The Freedom Run 10K in Lenexa, Kansas, a few weeks ago was almost as bad.) Interestingly, there’s no race director listed in any of the race materials. Apparently no one wants to take responsibility. Best regards, — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading

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I think Larry has offered the best advice thus far. I too almost always see at least one or two people at a tri with a surfing type wetsuit and don’t recall any fatalities. If it’s his first tri – he’s probably not concerned about losing the podium to a slow swim time anyway, and if he’s determined to get a bargain or that’s all he can afford – it will probably keep him warm at least. I did my first tri in a Billabong surfing shorty and while it ballooned up on me like a sea anchor, I didn’t really know the difference until later on when I got a triathlon specific wetsuit. 4 years later that Quintana Roo longjohn still works just fine, but I have no idea what happened to that Billabong suit.  In a last ditch – why not check out the classified ads on inside tri or triathlete mag, or better yet, check out tribuy.com to see if there are any used wetsuit deals more suited to his price tag and sport. Mike

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There always a few Body Glove wetsuits at triathlons and AFAIK they haven’t caused anyone to drown.  If all he has is $44 then a BG wetsuit beats hypothermia.  If the water is warm he’s better off without it it will probably slow him down.  If he intends to use a wetsuit regularly in triathlons he should spend the extra bucks and get the right equipment. Larry I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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I had one for my first three seasons. They are very heavy, bulky, and water-absorbent. I got through the beginning with it, but, now having a QR LongJohn, I would say his $44.00 would be better spent towards a real triathlon-designed wetsuit. The major triathlon stores have them on closeout regularly, and you can get good prices! I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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Tell him to look into Promotion suits.  They usually have last years suits at this time of the year marked down to some really good prices.  I bought mine at 50% off for 100 bucks.  It is a really nice suit and fits perfectly. Richard "IronCop wannabe" in El Paso – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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You might not convince him with the "drowning" argument (he will definitely not: surf-suits even have more rubber than swim-suits) But just remind him how it will be when he chafes up his neck and armpits and then has to swim a couple of yards in salt-water or spend a sweaty hour on the bike and another couple of minutes running with sweat rinsing his rashes… really painful ! trInIc – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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I’d imagine getting off will be harder as it won’t be as flexible as a TOTL Tri suit. Phil

| You might not convince him with the "drowning" argument (he will definitely | not: surf-suits even have more rubber than swim-suits) | But just remind him how it will be when he chafes up his neck and armpits | and then has to swim a couple of yards in salt-water or spend a sweaty hour | on the bike and another couple of minutes running with sweat rinsing his | rashes… | | really painful ! | | trInIc | | I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a | Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very | appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri | wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! | | Thanks | | |

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You might not convince him with the "drowning" argument (he will definitely not: surf-suits even have more rubber than swim-suits)

But it’s thinner. I have two surfing/diving suits, one full length and one BG shorty – I sink with them layered one over the other, but my tri wesuit (a Performance shorty) will float me.  Tri wetsuits are made thicker in key areas to provide floatation.

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There always a few Body Glove wetsuits at triathlons and AFAIK they haven’t caused anyone to drown.  If all he has is $44 then a BG wetsuit beats hypothermia.  If the water is warm he’s better off without it it will probably slow him down.  If he intends to use a wetsuit regularly in triathlons he should spend the extra bucks and get the right equipment. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a friend is new to tri. I’m trying to convince him not to buy a Body glove Surfing wetsuit for his first ocean swim.  The price is very appealing to him ($44).  Does BG have the same properties as a tri wetsuit?  I don’t think so.  HELP!!!  He might drown! Thanks

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another thought about the race: Tim DeBoom chose to wear what looked like a plain T-Shirt (with sponsor logo, of course). It was interesting that he was not wearing a singlet or tri-suit like the other top athletes. I also noted that he did not wear a "fuel belt" (or equivalent) like many other top athletes did. Lastly, I found it interesting that, like Paula Newby-Frasier at IMH a few years back, he came from behind after a draft penalty to win. As for the coverage, I liked it. David / FEY2K (remove spaces) at att dot net

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Tim DeBoom chose to wear what looked like a plain T-Shirt (with sponsor logo, of course). It was interesting that he was not wearing a singlet or tri-suit like the other top athletes. I also noted that he did not wear a "fuel belt" (or equivalent) like many other top athletes did.

Should you call that "understatement" or "provocation" ? trinic

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im DeBoom chose to wear what looked like a plain T-Shirt (with sponsor logo, of course). It was interesting that he was not wearing a singlet or tri-suit like the other top athletes. I also noted that he did not wear a "fuel belt" (or equivalent) like many other top athletes did. Should you call that "understatement" or "provocation" ? trinic

I thought he was absolutely inspiring.  for once he kind of resembled what a "normal" person looks like,  out for a run. I thought it was a nice change from the speedo/ singlet, or uni suit look.  Dug the backwards cap too. I heard it was pretty damp and chilly that day. toodzi San Diego

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I thought he was absolutely inspiring.  for once he kind of resembled what a "normal" person looks like,  out for a run. I thought it was a nice change from the speedo/ singlet, or uni suit look. Dug the backwards cap too. I heard it was pretty damp and chilly that day. toodzi San Diego

It was a  nasty day. Trust me. As for the broadcast, I was rather pleased with it. Even the human interest stories were kept strictly to race day coverage, which was great. Oh, and that bungy platform they showed in the beginning. That’s where I jumped off of the day after the race. The kiwis said that it was one of their post-race stretching techniques and that I should try it. Little did I know…                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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: Tim DeBoom chose to wear what looked like a plain T-Shirt (with sponsor : logo, of course). It was interesting that he was not wearing a singlet : or tri-suit like the other top athletes. – Like you, I too thought it was just a plain T-shirt, but I don’t

     think it was.  I noticed the shirt had a honey-combed pattern to      it, which lead me to think it was a high-tech t-shirt.  I can’t      imagine running in a cotton t-shirt for 26 miles.  That would      suck regardless of weather conditions.  Rich Davis                        

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DeBoom- What about his shoes?  They looked almost like walking shoes. Any idea who made them? Nik

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Yep, very old stuff.   They need to move on to new territory. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing/watching the same story of of HIV victim Jim Holt??

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There was another thing that got me boiling when I watched that broadcast. I’m surprised that others have not voiced some resentment. If you taped it take another look and listen to phil leggett where he says near the end of the bike leg,    " as the leaders make there way toward the finish,  hundreds of age groupers muddle their way through the rain". It offends me to be referred to as a "muddler" by an old "Roadie", who knows very little about triathlon and has never done one.    When will they finally get smart and get us a good MC for these broadcasts, and please don’t let it be(even though he is a great person and triathlete) Mark Allen. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing/watching the same story of of HIV victim Jim Holt??

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Yeah, we need John Tesh, he’ll elevate the sport to the level of the high-brow audience Incidentally, I did notice the muddle comment, but thought that was conteracted by his very concise explanantion on why Tim DeBoom had to wait out a penalty.  It sort of eliminates one of the ITU arguments that the average viewer wouldn’t be able to understand the concept of drafting and why it is bad.  Yeah, like anyone can tell you what "icing" is…. and that’s really hurt hockey. Walter R. Strapps

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I have always liked Phil Leggett.  I don’t care if he has ever done a triathlon or not.  I have always found his broadcasts interesting, informative and entertaining.  His knowledge is second to none on biking in the TV business.  I rather have him than others that I have seen in the past years.  Have you forgotten about John Tesh.  I can forgive Phil Leggett for some of his British humor.  Lets lighten up a little.

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Yep,  he does a nice job on the Tour and he has a good understanding of road racing.  I just think we should be able to find someone very knowledgeable on triathlon.   Legget is certainly improving through the years but he fails to recognize what age groupers do for the sport and where it would be without them.. Ken – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have always liked Phil Leggett.  I don’t care if he has ever done a triathlon or not.  I have always found his broadcasts interesting, informative and entertaining.  His knowledge is second to none on biking in the TV business.  I rather have him than others that I have seen in the past years.  Have you forgotten about John Tesh.  I can forgive Phil Leggett for some of his British humor.  Lets lighten up a little.

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If you taped it take another look and listen to phil leggett where he says near the end of the bike leg,    " as the leaders make there way toward the finish,  hundreds of age groupers muddle their way through the rain".

At least he didn’t say "waddle." But then again, that described my running at IMC pretty well…. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03

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: Yep,  he does a nice job on the Tour and he has a good understanding of road : racing.  I just think we should be able to find someone very knowledgeable : on triathlon.   Legget is certainly improving through the years but he fails : to recognize what age groupers do for the sport and where it would be : without them.. – Leggett’s dialog was so canned it was almost corny at times.

     I assumed he was reading from a script.  If so, why beat up      on Phil?   —  Home Page: http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~twm/TTH.html

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– Leggett’s dialog was so canned it was almost corny at times.     I assumed he was reading from a script.  If so, why beat up     on Phil?

I don’t really mean to beat up on Phil but merely expressing my ideals.   I do think that Phil does most of his own dialog though he may read it from a script he wrote.   He does have specific things and people he must cover.  If you wish to  compete as an age grouper and are not offended at being referred to as a "muddler" then that is your choice.   I personally don’t think age groupers should deserve any less respect on international TV (or anywhere else) than the Pros in competition.  Thankfully,  WTC and others are again realizing that Age Groupers are an important part of triathlon. As an age grouper, I hope to do my part to build on that philosophy and express my opinion about what to me, appears to be a derogatory remark. Ken

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Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing/watching the same story of of HIV victim Jim Holt??

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Is it just me or is anyone else tired of hearing/watching the same story of of HIV victim Jim Holt??

It’s not just you.  If he actually had AIDS I would think differently, but he simply has the virus and it has not yet become anything.  The big story of his overcoming a tragedy is premature; the tragedy is only potential and the overcoming remains to be seen.  However, it’s been customary for the IM broadcasts to feature the same athletes in different broadcasts.  I became bored with all the Bustos repeats as well as whoever is the current geriatric Person of the year.  I think the intention of the producers is good, but for those of us who watch all the broadcasts avidly, it gets to be same old same old.  The introduction to the broadcast swept me away.  Very inspiring! Ruth Kazez

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In a discussion on Dead Runners Society listserv there’s been a discussion about Marketing and Privacy.  Anyway as I looked through the DM News, the weekly newspaper of Record for Direct Marketers, I came across this under the weekly Lists and Databases section. TRIATHLETE, WINNING MAGAZINE APPOINT RMI DIRECT MARKETING RMI Direct Marketing INc. is not managing the Triathlete and Winning Magazine files, which contain 31,384 active subscribers who are affluent and sophisticated sports and fitness enthusiasts with a passion for cross-training and competition. Both publications feature articles and information on upcoming events, training tips, new product analysis and the latest on health and fitness. Eighty percent of these subscribers have taken action in the last 12 months as a result of seeing ads in these publications.  More than 56 percent purchased a product or service; 74 percent are homeowners and 68 percent are managerial/professionals. The average income is $88,000 and the average age is 37. Selection include SCF, ZIP state, publication and multipulbication. Contact your list broker or RMI Dirrect Marketing Inc., 42 Old Ridgebury Road, Danbury, CT  06810.  The telephone number is 203-798-0448.  The fax number is 203-778-6130. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CIRCLE NO. 169 DM News, September 29, 1997   p. 80 — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

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Correction: First sentence should read: RMI Direct Marketing Inc. is now…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – TRIATHLETE, WINNING MAGAZINE APPOINT RMI DIRECT MARKETING RMI Direct Marketing Inc. is now managing the Triathlete and Winning Magazine files, which contain 31,384 active subscribers who are affluent and sophisticated sports and fitness enthusiasts with a passion for cross-training and competition. Both publications feature articles and information on upcoming events, training tips, new product analysis and the latest on health and fitness. Eighty percent of these subscribers have taken action in the last 12 months as a result of seeing ads in these publications.  More than 56 percent purchased a product or service; 74 percent are homeowners and 68 percent are managerial/professionals. The average income is $88,000 and the average age is 37. Selection include SCF, ZIP state, publication and multipulbication. Contact your list broker or RMI Dirrect Marketing Inc., 42 Old Ridgebury Road, Danbury, CT  06810.  The telephone number is 203-798-0448.  The fax number is 203-778-6130. FOR MORE INFORMATION, CIRCLE NO. 169 DM News, September 29, 1997   p. 80 — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

– In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

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I am entered in the Louisiana Triathlon where the water is predicted to be between 62 and 65%.  Its an 800 meter swim and I do not have a wetsuit.  Can someone with experience at this temp tell me what this will be like?  I am a strong swimmer but I am wondering if this temp will be a problem?  Will the cold affect my bike and run? Or will it feel great after the first 50 meters or so? Thanks, "Hoping to place in my age group."

Mike — suck it up man, as a Canadian Triathlete we regularly swim in some pretty absurb temps.  Some hints I have encountered, but cannot testify towards:  tiger balm on key muscles, vaseline (coffee before the swim too?) Bottom line though, if you planning to stick it out awhile in the sport, a wetsuit is cheap and necessary. Good luck.

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I am entered in the Louisiana Triathlon where the water is predicted to be between 62 and 65%.  Its an 800 meter swim and I do not have a wetsuit.  Can someone with experience at this temp tell me what this will be like?  I am a strong swimmer but I am wondering if this temp will be a problem?  Will the cold affect my bike and run? Or will it feel great after the first 50 meters or so? Thanks, "Hoping to place in my age group."

For reference a "cold" swimming pool (legal for USS competition) is 78 deg F.  You could do it without a wetsuit– although the water will feel very cold.  Generally, if you have a strong kick, you are able to survive colder temps since the kick will use a fair amount of energy and hence create body heat. I would recommend finding a wetsuit– perhaps you can borrow or rent one.  If you wind up swimming without one, then I would make sure you get a very good warmup while still staying dry.  Minimize the warmup in the water (this is what a lot of northern open water swimmers do) and kick like crazy for the first 200 m or so. Pat

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I am entered in the Louisiana Triathlon where the water is predicted to be between 62 and 65%.  Its an 800 meter swim and I do not have a wetsuit.  Can someone with experience at this temp tell me what this will be like?  I am a strong swimmer but I am wondering if this temp will be a problem?  Will the cold affect my bike and run? Or will it feel great after the first 50 meters or so? Thanks, "Hoping to place in my age group."

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It’s cold, but you’ll handle it.  There are two main problems. 1) Standing around in the water waiting for the start…minimize this!!! 2) Breathing during the first 100 yards.  You may experience some difficulty inhaling during the first 100 yards or so.  Also, your feet may become slightly numb.  Definately won’t effect your run. I am entered in the Louisiana Triathlon where the water is predicted to be between 62 and 65%.  Its an 800 meter swim and I do not have a wetsuit.  Can someone with experience at this temp tell me what this will be like?  I am a strong swimmer but I am wondering if this temp will be a problem?  Will the cold affect my bike and run? Or will it feel great after the first 50 meters or so? Thanks, "Hoping to place in my age group."

– -rjh

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I am entered in the Louisiana Triathlon where the water is predicted to be between 62 and 65%.  Its an 800 meter swim and I do not have a wetsuit.  Can someone with experience at this temp tell me what this will be like?  I am a strong swimmer but I am wondering if this temp will be a problem?  Will the cold affect my bike and run? Or will it feel great after the first 50 meters or so? Thanks, "Hoping to place in my age group."

What it will feel like? COLD! I did a triathlon in cold water last year and it made me hyperventilate, panic and even gave me chestpain for a little while. Instead of using my so-well-trained freestyle stroke, I just splashed around, was exhausted almost immediatly and my swimming time was awfull. I got a cheap wetsuite at Sam’s wholesale club ( $54 full length, $34 with short sleeves). It isn’t anything fancy, and I will probably be laught at, but to me it’s well worth the money.

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The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. I guess you never ran in Florida.  Typical summer weather is 75-78 F and 100% humidity at sunrise, climbing to 90-93 F and 60-70% humidity by mid day.  Of course, summer here is May through October. I guess that explains why all the locals were wearing sweats and complaining about the cold for the entire length of the Disney Marathon this year, while I ran in shorts and no shirt.  I think starting line temperature was around 45 F, which most of us would consider ideal.

That explains it.  I put on a shirt to run when it’s below 55 F, which happens 2 or 3 days a year around here.  I have some of my best runs when it’s in the 70’s. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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| [deleted stuff] | | WIMPS!  I know a guy who’s doing the Death Valley to Mt. Whitney | race (146 miles) next month.  It will probably be 125 degrees at the | start and below freezing at the finish. In Death Valley it’s dry heat. It’s not the heat, it’s the humidity. <- Alltime favorite Minnesota line.

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In Death Valley it’s dry heat. It’s not the heat, it’s the humidity. <- Alltime favorite Minnesota line.

I too thought it was too hot at Grandma’s, and I didn’t even do the marathon. I was in town for the weekend, and since the half was full, I decided to run to the 23 mile mark from the place I was staying (about 12 miles). I was HOT on the hill, and didn’t get any relief by the lake. I watched the leaders go by the 23 mile mark, and the folks in the trailing pack were not looking like happy campers. Admitidly, noone is REAL happy at 23, but these folks looked worst than normal, considering their rankings. Of course, being a former Minnesotan, I coming back this winter with a bunch of "It’s not the cold, it’s the lack of humidity" t-shirts. — |\ ///| Crewstone Consulting ltd.    | Fax:   (910) 777-1191 |/// \| 1001 S Marshall Suite 118    | "Opinions expressed were the

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The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. I guess you never ran in Florida.  Typical summer weather is 75-78 F and 100% humidity at sunrise, climbing to 90-93 F and 60-70% humidity by mid day.  Of course, summer here is May through October. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

I guess that explains why all the locals were wearing sweats and complaining about the cold for the entire length of the Disney Marathon this year, while I ran in shorts and no shirt.  I think starting line temperature was around 45 F, which most of us would consider ideal. — Bob Sarocka Lombard, IL

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WIMPS!  I know a guy who’s doing the Death Valley to Mt. Whitney race (146 miles) next month.  It will probably be 125 degrees at the start and below freezing at the finish.  HE’S not complaining about the weather.

Hey, you won’t hear any of us complaining about the weather in Death Valley either. Mark Sandrock — Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign   "Fruechte reifen durch die Sonne, Chemical Sciences Computer Center        Menschen durch die Liebe." 505 S. Mathews Ave., Urbana, IL 61801                   –Julius Langbehn

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | | | The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. | | I guess you never ran in Florida… | yeah, but people _expect_ that in Florida… | | WIMPS!  I know a guy who’s doing the Death Valley to Mt. Whitney | race (146 miles) next month.  It will probably be 125 degrees at the | start and below freezing at the finish.  HE’S not complaining about | the weather. | | #include "disclaimer.h"                |____| There is a FINE line between pride and stupidity…

I’m with Mahoney. It was over 80 when we started our triathlon at 9:00AM Sunday. 64 would have felt cold.

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| | | The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. | | I guess you never ran in Florida… | yeah, but people _expect_ that in Florida… | | WIMPS!  I know a guy who’s doing the Death Valley to Mt. Whitney | race (146 miles) next month.  It will probably be 125 degrees at the | start and below freezing at the finish.  HE’S not complaining about | the weather. | | #include "disclaimer.h"                |____| There is a FINE line between pride and stupidity… — | Mike D. Kail                      AT&T:   (612) 945-8044      | | ProviderLink Developer            FAX:    (612) 945-8430      | | "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm."         | |  - Ralph Waldo Emerson                                        |

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| The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. | I guess you never ran in Florida… yeah, but people _expect_ that in Florida…

WIMPS!  I know a guy who’s doing the Death Valley to Mt. Whitney race (146 miles) next month.  It will probably be 125 degrees at the start and below freezing at the finish.  HE’S not complaining about the weather. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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| …Florida….  Of course, summer here is May through October. For Minnesotans, Florida has a 12-month summer. Of course, you probably figure Minnesota has a 12-month winter. — Gordon K. Chace                                 voice (612) 482-6524 OpenVision Technologies, Inc.                   fax   (612) 482-2383 RISC: Really Invented on the Sixty-six-hundred by CDC

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Does anyone have the results of Grandma’s Marathon which was run earlier today ?    How was the weather ? —

The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. The next day’s paper said something like 700/5600 runners ended up in the medical tent, 1600 didn’t finish, and 12 required hospitalization, instead of the usual 1-2.   I started getting dizzy at 16 miles, backed off on my pace, and stumbled in at just under 3:07 (I was hoping for high 2:50’s).  I have never felt worse at the finish of a marathon.  I went and layed down in the shade for 15 minutes before making my way to the beer tent, which I usual get to in under 5 minutes. Linda Sommer won the women’s race in 2:33:?? (time may be off). Some guy from Michigan won the men’s race in 2:18:??, followed by a Mexican 6 seconds later (Grandma’s closest finish).  Doug Kurtis took third with another sub 2:20.                               Bob — Bob Sarocka Lombard, IL

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The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start.

I guess you never ran in Florida.  Typical summer weather is 75-78 F and 100% humidity at sunrise, climbing to 90-93 F and 60-70% humidity by mid day.  Of course, summer here is May through October. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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| The weather sucked.  64 degrees and 90% humidity at the start. | | I guess you never ran in Florida.  Typical summer weather is 75-78 F | and 100% humidity at sunrise, climbing to 90-93 F and 60-70% humidity | by mid day.  Of course, summer here is May through October. | | #include "disclaimer.h"                |____| | yeah, but people _expect_ that in Florida.  The appeal of Grandma’s is the (usually) cool temps with low humidity.  Last Saturday was a very rare occurrence. — | Mike D. Kail                      AT&T:   (612) 945-8044      | | ProviderLink Developer            FAX:    (612) 945-8430      | | "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm."         | |  - Ralph Waldo Emerson                                        |

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Does anyone have the results of Grandma’s Marathon which was run earlier today ?    How was the weather ? — Bob Kneisel

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Does anyone have the results of Grandma’s Marathon which was run earlier today ?    How was the weather ?

     Bob Kneisel Women’s National Marathon Championships 1st   Linda Somers (33) Danville, CA         2:33:42 2nd   Kellie Archuletta (32) Las Vegas, NV   2:38:08 3rd   Roxie Erickson (31) Omaha, NE          2:39:08 Linda Somers took the lead at the second mile and was in command by five miles.  She literally ran away from the field. (note: Janis Klecker did not run due to a sore heel) Men 1st   Don Johns (29)  Ottawa Lake, MI        2:18:19 2nd   Jose Ramirez (30) Mexico               2:18:25 3rd   Doug Kurtis (42) Northville, MI        2:19:46 (last year’s winner)       (note: this is the 75th time in 155 marathons he has run in under        2:20 – a world record) The men’s race was close and come down to a sprint in the last 200 meters between Don Johns and Jose Ramirez.   weather:  temperature around 70, partly cloudy day with light wind           more humid than normal [Information is from the Twin Cities Star Tribune newspaper.]

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thought was Achilles tendinitis, which was later upgraded to Plantar Fasciitis. All conventional treatments have been ineffective, stretching, strengthening, ice, heat, cortisone, orthotics etc etc.  My right heel area still aches after I have been on my feet for more than a few minutes and gets worse the longer I am on my feet.  The aching often extends up my shin and down to my toes.  I am now being told that maybe I have a stress fracture of the calcaneum, although it doesn’t show up on X-rays or bone scans.         Does anyone out there have any experience with stress fractures ?  Is it possible it would not be visible on X-rays abd scans ?  How long do they take to heal ?  Is it reasonable that continuing to walk on it would prevent healing for more than 2 years ?  Before i take the drastic step of a fracture brace and crutches it would be nice to know of other’s experience.         Thnaks — Dr. Chris Davis Physics Department University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 (502) 588-0852

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Stress fractures DO NOT show up on traditional X-rays, you need a bone scan done. It takes 4-12 weeks depending on severity and location of fracture Recovery exercises and allowable activity during recovery depend on location of fracture. I.E. a femoral neck fracture could disable the leg for life if not taken care of with SERIOUS rest(NO ACTIVITY)while fractures to smaller bones in the foot you can do almost anything else while recovering. DISCLAIMER:  I AM NO DOCTOR, JUST a tri-geek with stress fracture experience. — Brendan R. Leitch                           Bell Northern Research Ltd. DMS Transport Layer Messaging Voice: (613) 763-9425            FAX: (613) 763-8864         ESN: 393-9425                  ESN: 393-8864 Surface Mail: MS 145, P.O. BOX 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7

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Knock on wood, I have never gone thru stress fractures and I surely do symphatize with anyone who does. I will pass on one piece of advice from an excellent triathlete who used to have that problem. It does not help recovery but is a good preventive step. One bright doctor (and they are really rare in my opinion if bright is defined as symphathetic to athlete’s needs) told her that strength building would help and devised a simple scheme. She used to watch TV with a pillowcase over her ankle with light weights while she rocked her foot in a particular way that slowly built the necessary muscles. I never watched this but have noted strethcing classes that have a motion that is supposed to help. Once you get past this particular episode, see if you can find someone to help you find a routine that will prevent a reoccurrence…Good luck!

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