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I’m selling this very aero aluminium 56cm/medium bike for a great price.  It comes with full dura-ace components and extra tubes and tires.  Its mechanic owned and raced for about 2 years now, but its still in really good condition. I also have a pair of Zipp 404 tubular race wheels to sell with the bike or seperately.  They have tires on them plus I have two brand new spares as extras. I’m selling the bike alone for $1000 and the wheels alone for $500. If you buy the two together I will sell them for $1400. for more information and for a picture of the bike.  This is a great deal and if you do the research you’ll see. Happy training Ryan PS. I’m based out of Boulder, Colorado

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Where are you getting the 56cm measurement? Seems a little odd. Tim

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m selling this very aero aluminium 56cm/medium bike for a great price.  It comes with full dura-ace components and extra tubes and tires.  Its mechanic owned and raced for about 2 years now, but its still in really good condition. I also have a pair of Zipp 404 tubular race wheels to sell with the bike or seperately.  They have tires on them plus I have two brand new spares as extras. I’m selling the bike alone for $1000 and the wheels alone for $500. If you buy the two together I will sell them for $1400. for more information and for a picture of the bike.  This is a great deal and if you do the research you’ll see. Happy training Ryan PS. I’m based out of Boulder, Colorado

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Are the wheels 650c or 700c?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m selling this very aero aluminium 56cm/medium bike for a great price.  It comes with full dura-ace components and extra tubes and tires.  Its mechanic owned and raced for about 2 years now, but its still in really good condition. I also have a pair of Zipp 404 tubular race wheels to sell with the bike or seperately.  They have tires on them plus I have two brand new spares as extras. I’m selling the bike alone for $1000 and the wheels alone for $500. If you buy the two together I will sell them for $1400. for more information and for a picture of the bike.  This is a great deal and if you do the research you’ll see. Happy training Ryan PS. I’m based out of Boulder, Colorado

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Hi,         I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Ironman Triathlon heart rate monitors. I have been wanting to buy a Polar for about a year, but have been putting it off until I was ready for it, or even until I was sure I wanted it. Now, as of last week, I saw that the Ironman Triathlon HRM’s seem pretty decent. I do have a regular Ironman Triathlon watch and love it, but I have never owned a heart rate monitor. I am thinking in particular of the 100-lap HRM, model  51601. If anyone has even heard about, or have experience with, whether they are good or not, please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!!!!!! Kimberli, who likes the Ironman HRM’s better perhaps because they look cool!  

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I know a little about the Ironman HRM.  Target and Wal-Mart sell them but they do not have any ability to "recall" laps. That is why I did not get one.  I hope the model you are looking at can recall laps, but before I would buy one, I’d have to see it recall laps with my own eyes. Roger Mine recalls laps (HR at end of lap not average).  The only downside to the Ironman vs Polar is on the monitor itself.  The belt doesn’t come off easily on the Ironman (which makes it more difficult to wash), so my wife makes me leave it outside.  It is getting chilly to do this!

I have a Polar and I just wipe the chest band off, I don’t try to wash it and I doubt if washing it will help the elastic last any longer.  I also haven’t worn it for about a month now.  I’m still waiting for the S710 to arrive. As for you Ironman having laps, where did you buy it at?  I looked quite some time around here for one and none of the discount stores that sold them sold a model that could recall laps.  I wonder if that has changed. Thanks,         Roger

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I know a little about the Ironman HRM.  Target and Wal-Mart sell them but they do not have any ability to "recall" laps. That is why I did not get one.  I hope the model you are looking at can recall laps, but before I would buy one, I’d have to see it recall laps with my own eyes. Roger

Mine recalls laps (HR at end of lap not average).  The only downside to the Ironman vs Polar is on the monitor itself.  The belt doesn’t come off easily on the Ironman (which makes it more difficult to wash), so my wife makes me leave it outside.  It is getting chilly to do this!

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I know a little about the Ironman HRM.  Target and Wal-Mart sell them but they do not have any ability to "recall" laps. That is why I did not get one.  I hope the model you are looking at can recall laps, but before I would buy one, I’d have to see it recall laps with my own eyes. Roger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Ironman Triathlon heart rate monitors. I have been wanting to buy a Polar for about a year, but have been putting it off until I was ready for it, or even until I was sure I wanted it. Now, as of last week, I saw that the Ironman Triathlon HRM’s seem pretty decent. I do have a regular Ironman Triathlon watch and love it, but I have never owned a heart rate monitor. I am thinking in particular of the 100-lap HRM, model  51601. If anyone has even heard about, or have experience with, whether they are good or not, please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!!!!!! Kimberli, who likes the Ironman HRM’s better perhaps because they look cool!

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One thing I noticed about the Ironman HRM – the sensor looks HUGE compared to the non coded Polar sensor.   Yitah – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi,    I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with the Ironman Triathlon heart rate monitors. I have been wanting to buy a Polar for about a year, but have been putting it off until I was ready for it, or even until I was sure I wanted it. Now, as of last week, I saw that the Ironman Triathlon HRM’s seem pretty decent. I do have a regular Ironman Triathlon watch and love it, but I have never owned a heart rate monitor. I am thinking in particular of the 100-lap HRM, model  51601. If anyone has even heard about, or have experience with, whether they are good or not, please let me know. I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!!!!!! Kimberli, who likes the Ironman HRM’s better perhaps because they look cool!  

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Tri Zombies 3216 Santa Monica Blvd. Santa Monica, CA  90404 (310) 315-1485

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Tri Zombies I think are in Santa Monica either on Wilshire or Santa Monica Blvd.  www.trizombies.com  ? hi, im along wilshire boulevard and im looking for a place to buy a cycling shoes or a triathlon specific cycling shoe. Im also lookinf for an aerobar. anybody know a place near here where i can get one with a reasonable price. pls help! satoyski

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Try Helen’s Cycles in Santa Monica also.   2501 Broadway Santa Monica, CA  90404 310-829-1836 hi, im along wilshire boulevard and im looking for a place to buy a cycling shoes or a triathlon specific cycling shoe. Im also lookinf for an aerobar. anybody know a place near here where i can get one with a reasonable price. pls help! satoyski

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hi, im along wilshire boulevard and im looking for a place to buy a cycling shoes or a triathlon specific cycling shoe. Im also lookinf for an aerobar. anybody know a place near here where i can get one with a reasonable price. pls help! satoyski

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Tri Zombies I think are in Santa Monica either on Wilshire or Santa Monica Blvd.  www.trizombies.com  ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hi, im along wilshire boulevard and im looking for a place to buy a cycling shoes or a triathlon specific cycling shoe. Im also lookinf for an aerobar. anybody know a place near here where i can get one with a reasonable price. pls help! satoyski

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From the article: “Every lawyer we talked to told us that this case is a sure bet. We can’t lose.” 1.    There is no such thing. 2.    Truth is a defense.

Yes indeed, it’s very risky to sue someone for slander in a civil court who has accused you of something for which there is strong evidence. I bet most lawyers would actually advise that this case is almost a sure bet. We can’t win. Barry

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – From the article: “Every lawyer we talked to told us that this case is a sure bet. We can’t lose.” 1.    There is no such thing. 2.    Truth is a defense. Yes indeed, it’s very risky to sue someone for slander in a civil court who has accused you of something for which there is strong evidence. I bet most lawyers would actually advise that this case is almost a sure bet. We can’t win. Barry

What the lawyer meant was that *he* couldn’t lose. He recognized it as a cash cow of endless appeals. LOL Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman, Model Railroader, Gamer

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From the article: “Every lawyer we talked to told us that this case is a sure bet. We can’t lose.” 1.    There is no such thing. 2.    Truth is a defense. dave

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Russian athletics considering suing Szabo MOSCOW, Aug 23 (Reuters) – The Russian athletics federation is considering legal action against Gabriela Szabo and her manager in the row over world 5,000 metres champion Olga Yegorova and the performance-enhancing erythropoietin (EPO). Yegorova tested positive for EPO at the Paris Golden League meeting in July and was initially suspended from the world championships in Edmonton earlier this month, but was later cleared to compete because the test did not conform to International Olympic Committee (IOC) standards. More… http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010823/reu-yegorova.html Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web <http://www.runnersweb.com A running and Triathlon Resource Portal

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Russian athletics considering suing Szabo MOSCOW, Aug 23 (Reuters) – The Russian athletics federation is considering legal action against Gabriela Szabo and her manager in the row over world 5,000 metres champion Olga Yegorova and the performance-enhancing erythropoietin (EPO). Yegorova tested positive for EPO at the Paris Golden League meeting in July and was initially suspended from the world championships in Edmonton earlier this month, but was later cleared to compete because the test did not conform to International Olympic Committee (IOC) standards. More… http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010823/reu-yegorova.html Ken Ken Parker Runner’s Web <http://www.runnersweb.com A running and Triathlon Resource Portal

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My first 1/2 Ironman is May 13 ( Gulf Coast Triathlon) and a friend wants me to run a marathon with him April 30th. I have never done a half ironman and plan on doing it in about 6.5 hours and would do the marathon in a leisurly 4 hours. What are the thoughts on this being to close? I could bail out by just running the last half of the marathon with him. I am going to decide what to do based on what is said here! Thanks, Ken McCann

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Just run the last half and use it as a training run. That way it will keep your friend motivated in the toughest part of his race. Plus you’ll need the gas for GC. It may be flat and fast but it’s still a long day. Terry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – My first 1/2 Ironman is May 13 ( Gulf Coast Triathlon) and a friend wants me to run a marathon with him April 30th. I have never done a half ironman and plan on doing it in about 6.5 hours and would do the marathon in a leisurly 4 hours. What are the thoughts on this being to close? I could bail out by just running the last half of the marathon with him. I am going to decide what to do based on what is said here! Thanks, Ken McCann

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Ken, I ran a marathlon Oct.17(3:20) for training and Ironman Florida Nov.7(10:34) and I could feel it on  the run.  The run for GCT is the same as IMF(flat),  but you don’t have time to recover. If you start the marathon you might get caught up in the hoop de ha and go out too quickly and you both would suffer. The idea of running the last 1/2 to help out your friend is a good one,  but if you want to do well you need time to recover.  NS

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Ken, if you do not mind doing both events slow, then go right ahead. Both if the time for either is really important, then think about it. I am doing about the same thing, but even more extreme. On 05/06/00 I am running my last long run (50 mi, but very slowly) for the Old Dominion 100 miler (06/03/00), but I am doing GCT with my wife the very next weekend. I expect to suffer on the run at GCT, but that is OK because it is not a key race for me. Rock. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Robin – I’d be very interested in hearing about how your bottle carrier works out; I’ve tried several different bottle carriers searching for something comfortable.  Please post a report after you’ve tried it! Good luck in your training… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just found a local store who ordered a swedish product for me. It’s a belt with four small bottles attached to it. The bottles contain about 150-200ml and are to be opened easily with your teeth. I’ll get them the next week and will report how comfortable it is to carry them (if anyone is interested).

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I know I’ve seen this before on this newsgroup but can’t remember the equations. Can anyone suggest what the equivalent mileage is to equate cycling to running. Recent injury has caused me to cut back to every other day running and want to keep up and still develop my fitness. Thanks. J. Evans

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If aerobic fitness is your goal, its not a matter of distance as it is a matter of continuing to exersize at your target heart rate. Generally speaking, if your target heart rate is 160 to 180 bpm, you would run, bike or walk until you achieve that rate and then try to maintain that rate for some period of time. As I said, if fitness is your goal keeping this heart rate going for 20 minutes is about all you need 3 or 4 times a week. The actual health benifits of working out beyond this limit are questionable. I run and bike. My running is split up between 3 and 5 mile routes 3 or 4 times a week. Generally my bike trips are between 12 and 15 miles with an occasional 20 or 25 mile ride.

: I know I’ve seen this before on this newsgroup but can’t remember the : equations. Can anyone suggest what the equivalent mileage is to equate : cycling to running. Recent injury has caused me to cut back to every : other day running and want to keep up and still develop my fitness. : Thanks. : J. Evans — Bob S Assuming I’ve managed to muck up my email address       email replys to jondrew at ao.net hopefully you can figgure out how to assemble my            correct email address

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most books I have seen say the ratio is 4to 1 in favor of the bike, that is to say 4mi on bike = 1 on foot. Terry Garrett

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I know I’ve seen this before on this newsgroup but can’t remember the equations. Can anyone suggest what the equivalent mileage is to equate cycling to running. Recent injury has caused me to cut back to every other day running and want to keep up and still develop my fitness. Thanks. J. Evans

The olympic triathlon stages are supposed to be equivalents I think so 10k run = 40k bike = 1.5k swim. Of course, this probably assumes you are equally trained in each discipline. On-On Regards, Barry. — /tmp: /usr/mail/.signature too large: no more space on device

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Dr. Cooper from the Aerobic Center in Texas states it as 5 bike miles to 1 foot mile.

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Dr. Cooper from the Aerobic Center in Texas states it as 5 bike miles to 1 foot mile.

I don’t do much running, but when I do 10mile cycle time-trials at a heart rate of around 180bpm (Max = 200), I can get round in about 23 minutes. This would correspond to me doing a 11 min 30 sec mile. This certainly doesn’t relate. The countries top cyclists can do 10 miles in about 20 mins, which would make their foot mile times to be 10 minute miles. Therefore, surely 2.5 bike miles equals 1 foot mile? Confused, Mark. — Mark Pearson.                                Magellan IN-TA Development. Software Design Engineer.                    Dept. HF83, Building T4-E. Tel: +44 (0)1279 405688                      London Road, ESN: 6-742-5688                              Harlow, Essex. FAX: +44 (0)1279 441589                      CM17 9NA. United Kingdom.

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Dr. Cooper from the Aerobic Center in Texas states it as 5 bike miles to 1 foot mile.

5:1! No way. That’s really taking it easy on the bike. I don’t do much running, but when I do 10mile cycle time-trials at a heart rate of around 180bpm (Max = 200), I can get round in about 23 minutes.

Not too shabby! This would correspond to me doing a 11 min 30 sec mile. This certainly doesn’t relate. The countries top cyclists can do 10 miles in about 20 mins, which would make their foot mile times to be 10 minute miles. Therefore, surely 2.5 bike miles equals 1 foot mile? Confused,

My cycling days are behind me, but here’s my $0.02. I believe the confusion comes from just relating times. From an aerobic standpoint, you’re correct, your heart can pound just as hard cycling as running. But the stress on the skeletal muscles is much higher running. After all, you *are* sitting down when your riding. My cycling 40K PR is 55:12. In the grand scheme of things that’s a bit better than my running 10K PR of 39:30, but both efforts correspond to someone who’s good but not great. My personal experience is that the 40K TT on the bike leaves me feeling about the same as a 10K run. However, I do recover quicker from the bike ride. An all out 10K run will leave me flat for 3-4 days, whereas I could ride the 40K TT at cycling nationals and then do the road race 2 days later without too much trouble (from a recovery standpoint — I still got my ass kicked.) I’ve only done a few marathons, but there’s no question that they are *way* harder than a 100 mile race. Even with a few mountains, I can still race the next day (although I’ll be pretty whipped). There is simply no way you can race the day after running a PR marathon. Even walking around is a challenge. However, that’s racing. The original post was talking about training. When I was serious about cycling (and didn’t mind not having a job) I’d train 400 miles per week. This was (and still is) normal for someone going to nats. Track riders typically do quite a bit less (around 250/week.) That corresponds with serious marathoners doing 100 mile weeks and milers doing 50-60. Most of the mid-pack cat III (working class racers – for those who don’t know the USCF categories) riders I know ride around 150-200 miles per week (although they will always tell you it’s more.) Most mid-level competitive runners are doing between 30 and 50. I think the 4:1 rule holds up pretty well for training. Eric Buckley Comsys Millenium Services eMail: remove NoSpam from above Standard disclaimer – I speak for myself and nobody else.

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Dr. Cooper from the Aerobic Center in Texas states it as 5 bike miles to 1 foot mile. 5:1! No way. That’s really taking it easy on the bike.

I use a 4:1 distance conversion factor and a 2:1 time conversion factor. If I run M miles in T time then a roughly equivalent road cycling workout for me is 4M miles in 2T time. I don’t do much running, but when I do 10mile cycle time-trials at a heart rate of around 180bpm (Max = 200), I can get round in about 23 minutes. Not too shabby! This would correspond to me doing a 11 min 30 sec mile. This certainly doesn’t relate. The countries top cyclists can do 10 miles in about 20 mins, which would make their foot mile times to be 10 minute miles.

Using my 4:1 formula this comes out to 2.5 miles in 10 minutes. Which are 4 minute miles. Which is beyond world record pace. Obviously my formula isn’t golden but it works for me in the rough sense. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Therefore, surely 2.5 bike miles equals 1 foot mile? Confused, My cycling days are behind me, but here’s my $0.02. I believe the confusion comes from just relating times. From an aerobic standpoint, you’re correct, your heart can pound just as hard cycling as running. But the stress on the skeletal muscles is much higher running. After all, you *are* sitting down when your riding. My cycling 40K PR is 55:12. In the grand scheme of things that’s a bit better than my running 10K PR of 39:30, but both efforts correspond to someone who’s good but not great. My personal experience is that the 40K TT on the bike leaves me feeling about the same as a 10K run. However, I do recover quicker from the bike ride. An all out 10K run will leave me flat for 3-4 days, whereas I could ride the 40K TT at cycling nationals and then do the road race 2 days later without too much trouble (from a recovery standpoint — I still got my ass kicked.)

I’m not as fast as you are but my numbers are reversed. My best 10 K is 40:30 and my best 25 mile TT is 1:09:00. And I felt worse after the cycling. But during normal runs and rides, I may typically run 6 miles in 42 minutes with a 24 mile ride taking me about 1:15:00 (75 minutes). And here the cycling is easier.                                    Bob Palermo z

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Dr. Cooper from the Aerobic Center in Texas states it as 5 bike miles to 1 foot mile. 5:1! No way. That’s really taking it easy on the bike. I use a 4:1 distance conversion factor and a 2:1 time conversion factor. If I run M miles in T time then a roughly equivalent road cycling workout for me is 4M miles in 2T time.

I look at it in terms of calories burned.  One mile of running uses around 100 kcals.  One mile of cycling uses around 40 – 60 kcals.  This puts the ratio at close to 2:1. I got the 40-60 kcals / mile for cycling from a couple sources, including Lamb’s book "Physiology of Exercise". Obviously it depends quite a bit on how fast you go (unlike running), how hilly the course is, how windy it is, and so forth.  Lamb cites a value of 3.18 kcal/hr/lb for 10 mph cycling which works out to 48 kcal per mile for a 150 lb person.  Persumably this is for no hills or wind, and 10 mph is pretty easy. I prefer running as a sport, but use cycling for weight control.  I find it much easier to burn up calories cycling than running.  A 40 mile bike ride is pretty easy, whereas the equivalent calorie burn in a 20 mile run is excruciating, if not impossible. Bill Martin                 |   When Winds go round and round in Bands- Ukiah, CA                   |   And Birds take places, overhead,                             |   To bear them Orchestra. –Dickinson

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If possible try and run through a park or around a golf course where water fountains or dispensers may be available to you.  Some parks have maps showing accessories, or here in Indiana some state or city parks have park attendace or Rangers that can help you locate water supplies during you run. David/IndyRunr

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[...] : Positioning bottles along the route isn’t particularly convenient or : safe where I run, so I carry it with me.  For very long runs, I have a : lumbar pack which is worn around the waist.  The main body of the : pack can be used for rain gear, energy bars, etc.  At either side are : two bottle holders, suitable for 500 ml bottles.  On longish runs, I : use a smaller pack and put a single bottle inside. : You can get bottles shaped specially for easy carrying – see : http://www.runaid.demon.co.uk/ for details. [...] Thanks for all those infos. I guess I have to get used to carry some water around with me on the next long run. The runaid web page looks promising.                 Robin                 cand. Ing.                                     /                 Robin Breyl                                   /                                                  __   _   __  /                                                 __| ___/ |__/   WWW:             wwwfb12.ikb.uni-essen.de/~breyl   PGP Key availiable on request.

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: Sometimes I run on a 10 Km trail loop in the woods, and stash (hide) : some water bottles near the starting point. If the weather is warm, : then one of the bottles will have Gatorade (or equivalent). I also : chill them well before-hand, if possible. I just found a local store who ordered a swedish product for me. It’s a belt with four small bottles attached to it. The bottles contain about 150-200ml and are to be opened easily with your teeth. I’ll get them the next week and will report how comfortable it is to carry them (if anyone is interested). : Relax your face too, and run upright, with your hips in line with your : shoulders. Look ahead about 60 meters. This helps me to run relaxed. I will try this. Is there a "perfect" position for the arms? Should the lower arms be horizontal? I guess it depends… : Herzliche Glueckwuensche fuer Ihren ersten Marathon, von wir allen! : (I hope my German makes sense.) It does! Thanks very much. I hope my english is understandable too. I just got my entry papers for the marathon today! I guess there is no turning back now!                 Robin                 cand. Ing.                                     /                 Robin Breyl                                   /                                                  __   _   __  /                                                 __| ___/ |__/   WWW:             wwwfb12.ikb.uni-essen.de/~breyl   PGP Key availiable on request.

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Hello, I just returned from my first 30 Km run. It took me 2 hours and 41 mins to complete it and I developed some questions during this time: 1.) I ran without any water supply and I think it would be better to     go next time with some water. But how is the best way to carry     any kind of drink? Hold a bottle in my hand all the time? What     are the alternatives? Positioning bottles on the way and hope that     nobody will take them away? What should I drink anyway? Plain     water? A mix of apple juice and water? What else?

Personally, I think that carrying some type of drink would be a good idea for a 2+ hour run.  I know that several companies make belt-type carriers that hold one or two bottles (and maybe some gel or something) around your waist.  WHAT you drink is mostly personal preferance. 3.) During the final 30 minutes I noticed severe pain and muscle hardening     in my shoulders and neck. Is there any way to keep your arms relaxed?

I don’t normally run that far (10K, normally), but I just concentrate on relaxing my whole body, starting with my face and working down.  It takes some time to be able to do this, but it works for me! 5.) How long should I rest after a run like this? One day? Two? Or should     I be up and running right on the next day?

NO, I definitely think that running the next day would be bad!  If you do run the next day, take it easy.  Of course, this could vary with your fitness level (if I ran 30K, I’d need about a week off!!  ;-)  ). Hope this helps! Matt

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: 1.) I ran without any water supply and I think it would be better to :     go next time with some water. But how is the best way to carry :     any kind of drink? Hold a bottle in my hand all the time? What :     are the alternatives? Positioning bottles on the way and hope that :     nobody will take them away? What should I drink anyway? Plain :     water? A mix of apple juice and water? What else? You risk serious problems if you don’t take fluids during your run! Positioning bottles along the route isn’t particularly convenient or safe where I run, so I carry it with me.  For very long runs, I have a lumbar pack which is worn around the waist.  The main body of the pack can be used for rain gear, energy bars, etc.  At either side are two bottle holders, suitable for 500 ml bottles.  On longish runs, I use a smaller pack and put a single bottle inside. You can get bottles shaped specially for easy carrying – see http://www.runaid.demon.co.uk/ for details. : 2.) How much should I drink during such a long run? 0.2 liter every :     5Km? More? Less? I drink about 150 ml every 15 mins or so.  The important thing is to not wait until you feel thirsty before drinking! : 3.) During the final 30 minutes I noticed severe pain and muscle hardening :     in my shoulders and neck. Is there any way to keep your arms relaxed? I’ve had similar (though milder) symptoms.  I’m wondering whether there are any stretches that might help? : 5.) How long should I rest after a run like this? One day? Two? Or should :     I be up and running right on the next day? I’ve only done 30K a couple of times.  On both occasions, I felt too sore to be up and running the next day, but was able to do a short, slow run the day after.  I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules for this – you have to listen to what your body tells you.  It is probably best to err on the side of caution, to avoid the possibility of injury. : If all goes well I plan to run my first marathon in October (exactly on my : 30st birthday a marathon will take place in the city where I live). Good luck with this! Nick

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I just returned from my first 30 Km run. It took me 2 hours and 41 mins to complete it and I developed some questions during this time: 1.) I ran without any water supply and I think it would be better to    go next time with some water. But how is the best way to carry    any kind of drink? Hold a bottle in my hand all the time? What    are the alternatives? Positioning bottles on the way and hope that    nobody will take them away? What should I drink anyway? Plain    water? A mix of apple juice and water? What else?

Sometimes I run on a 10 Km trail loop in the woods, and stash (hide) some water bottles near the starting point. If the weather is warm, then one of the bottles will have Gatorade (or equivalent). I also chill them well before-hand, if possible. 2.) How much should I drink during such a long run? 0.2 liter every    5Km? More? Less?

It’s your choice. I think I usually drink .25 l per 10 Km, but more if it’s warm. 3.) During the final 30 minutes I noticed severe pain and muscle hardening    in my shoulders and neck. Is there any way to keep your arms relaxed?

Relax your face too, and run upright, with your hips in line with your shoulders. Look ahead about 60 meters. This helps me to run relaxed. 4.) I ran with a heart rate monitor at a nearly constant heart rate of    158 bpm. (Maximum HR: 200, Minimum at or below 50 bpm). During the final    10 minutes the heart rate dropped notably about 10 bpm to 148-150.    But I dind’t had the feeling, that I was becoming slower…    What happened? Was I just tired and ran slower without noticing?    Was this a first indication of the point where my body had burned    all of it’s kohlenhydrate (I don’t know the english word for this. What    I mean is the stuff, that’s in pasta and rice. The stuff your body    burns before he switches to fat burning – carbonhydrate???)?

Your body is burning fat and carbohydrate during the entire run, but the percentage of fat burned increases with the time. If you burn all your body’s carbohydrate, it becomes quite difficult to continue running. I think you would surely notice this — it is called "hitting the wall". No idea how it affects the heart rate, although it happened to me at mile 22 in the Chicago Marathon one year! 5.) How long should I rest after a run like this? One day? Two? Or should    I be up and running right on the next day?

Depends on how you feel. If you’re too tired to run, then rest is good, but a nice _slow_ run can also help one to recover. Also, it depends upon how unusual this run was for you. Most runners will increase the distance of their long run by no more than 2 miles (3 Km) every two weeks. But if your previous maximum was 20 Km, then perhaps you should rest until you feel like running again! Herzliche Glueckwuensche fuer Ihren ersten Marathon, von wir allen! (I hope my German makes sense.) Mark Sandrock — UIUC Library Systems Office     "Become the change you wish to see Network Analyst                  in the world." –Mohandas Gandhi

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Hello, I just returned from my first 30 Km run. It took me 2 hours and 41 mins to complete it and I developed some questions during this time: 1.) I ran without any water supply and I think it would be better to     go next time with some water. But how is the best way to carry     any kind of drink? Hold a bottle in my hand all the time? What     are the alternatives? Positioning bottles on the way and hope that     nobody will take them away? What should I drink anyway? Plain     water? A mix of apple juice and water? What else? 2.) How much should I drink during such a long run? 0.2 liter every     5Km? More? Less? 3.) During the final 30 minutes I noticed severe pain and muscle hardening     in my shoulders and neck. Is there any way to keep your arms relaxed? 4.) I ran with a heart rate monitor at a nearly constant heart rate of     158 bpm. (Maximum HR: 200, Minimum at or below 50 bpm). During the final     10 minutes the heart rate dropped notably about 10 bpm to 148-150.     But I dind’t had the feeling, that I was becoming slower…     What happened? Was I just tired and ran slower without noticing?     Was this a first indication of the point where my body had burned     all of it’s kohlenhydrate (I don’t know the english word for this. What     I mean is the stuff, that’s in pasta and rice. The stuff your body     burns before he switches to fat burning – carbonhydrate???)? 5.) How long should I rest after a run like this? One day? Two? Or should     I be up and running right on the next day? I hope someone knows the (or at least some) answers… Sorry, if these are silly questions, but I’m quite new to runs of this duration. The last two years I ran distances between 4 and 10 Km with about 20-30Km per week. In the last weeks I extended my running to runs up to 20Km length and about 50Km every week. Right now I’m running 50-70Km every week. If all goes well I plan to run my first marathon in October (exactly on my 30st birthday a marathon will take place in the city where I live). Thanks in advance.                 Robin                 cand. Ing.                                     /                 Robin Breyl                                   /                                                  __   _   __  /                                                 __| ___/ |__/   WWW:             wwwfb12.ikb.uni-essen.de/~breyl   PGP Key availiable on request.

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday.

I did 50K, solo, at the local high school track on my 50th birthday (1986.)  At the time I was running about 10 miles per week due to injuries. I started at 05:00 in the dark and finished before 11:00.  I had to walk the last five miles. When the sun got up the temperature was over 90 degrees F. —Al Hromjak

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. I did 50K, solo, at the local high school track on my 50th birthday (1986.)  At the time I was running about 10 miles per week due to injuries. I started at 05:00 in the dark and finished before 11:00.  I had to walk the last five miles. When the sun got up the temperature was over 90 degrees F. —Al Hromjak

On a similar note, I ran the Houston Marathon as a birthday present to myself a week after my 26th birthday. It ended up being my fastest marathon. I had a great time thinking about my life as the miles/years went by. Andrew Heiz

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I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday.

What a great way to celebrate.  Congratulations. Would be interested in your reflections along the path. — In health and on the run, Ozzie Gontang Maintainer-rec.running FAQ Director, San Diego Marathon Clinic,  est. 1975

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| Mike Tennent writes:

| Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. | I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Same here. | Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… | | tick.. tick.. tick…tick… I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. How’s that for sick and twisted. I can assure you that age is a tiny factor, it’s the time to get those looooong runs, bikes and swims that is the most demanding. After the proper training(some impossible to quantify concept) the race is almost anti-climactic. The best of luck. GO FOR IT! — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Freese) writes: | Mike Tennent writes: | Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. | I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Same here. | Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… | | tick.. tick.. tick…tick… I did my first 100 mile race at 50. It was my way to celebrate my birthday. How’s that for sick and twisted. I can assure you that age is a tiny factor, it’s the time to get those looooong runs, bikes and swims that is the most demanding. After the proper training(some impossible to quantify concept) the race is almost anti-climactic. The best of luck. GO FOR IT! — Doug Freese  All opinions are mine. IBM Tele: 8-293-8098

I agree with you Doug, after you start training for a long distance event, the distance does not seem "as" dominating.  I was scared to death my first ironman triathlon, but after a couple of hrs. found myself having much fun.  I hope to tackle some ultras in the upcoming yr. seeyatmk bradenton,florida http://www.netcom.com/~skee/tmk.html

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I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon.

<snipped Congratulations!  Hey, I didn’t do my first marathon until  I was 40. I figured I was old enough to try one then.  ;-} Now I’m trying to get an Ironman tri in before I’m 50…… tick.. tick.. tick…tick… TriBop WebRunner Running Page — Southeast USA Race Calendar 200+ listings. Beginner’s FAQ, Software Download the WebRunner Racing Utilities   http://www.webrunner.com/webrun/running/running.html

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in May/97. Thanks for the inspiration, Ann Ottawa, Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

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: that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have : hopes of finishing a marathon. OOooh! Take it easy on the running!  You’re almost halfway dead! jg

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I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have been reading rec.running for the past year, and have benefited enormously from the many words of wisdom offered here. Thank you all! Posts from first-time marathoners were specially meaningful for me, since I was training for my first marathon. It was great to realize that it is OK to start late in life (I am now 39), and still have hopes of finishing a marathon. So in the hope that this will help inspire someone else, I wanted to report that I completed my first marathon last weekend (Columbus Marathon). It took me 5 hrs 11 mins, but I did it! I was on a pace to finish in 4 hrs 50 mins until mile 21, when I started getting cramps and had to alternate running and walking the rest of the way. I have already started planning for my next marathon, with a 4hrs 50 mins goal. Happy running, –ashok krishnamurthy

Congrats on your first marathon, welcome to the marathon tribe.  :) seeyatmk bradenton,florida http://www.netcom.com/~skee/tmk.html

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Congrats on your first tri.  Triathlon is about as much fun as anyone can have without taking their clothes off.  And with that kind of attitude it’s not a wonder that people think triathletes, in general, are a little geeky! My first open water swim in a triathlon was nuts.  I rented a wet suit that was too small, brought my young daughter’s swim goggles (tiny ones) by mistake and tried to start near the front.  I was punched, kicked, swum over, couldn’t breathe with the wet suit so tight, and was exhausted within minutes of starting.  If I could have touched the bottom I would have quit and walked out.  Never the less I calmed myself down, slowed down and decided that finishing alive would be accomplishment enough, and I survived.   With respect to advice, others who have responded have given you excellent advice such as starting to the outside etc., so I don’t have anything to add, but some encouragement. I can tell you now, that I actually look forward to the swim.  And as unlikely as it seemed when I first started, the swim has turned out to be the best of the the three events for me.  I bought the Total Emersion Swim video, it really helped as did joining a masters swim club. Don’t get discouraged, stay at it and enjoy!!

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   I just finished my first TRI (the Reeds lake tri in Grand Rapids, MI Sept 7.) It was pretty short (1/2 mi swim, 18 bike, 5 run)  I trained for about 3 months, during which time I swam 1/2 mile every M,W,F at lunch at work.    However, I was completely unprepared for the swim, what with the open water and 150 or so participants jumping in on the first wave.

It happened to me, too, in my first tri.  Keep swimming, and take your training distance to far more than 800 m.  That is just a warmup to me now, try distances more like 2000 to 3000 m, but build gradually.    Can anyone recommend swimming techniques to use in the pool that would improve my open water swimming?  Thanks!

Try tarzan swimming- where one freestyles with the head out of the water.  I don’t suggest swimming this way more than a length or part of a length of the pool. (BTW, I finished in 2 hrs 25 min.  Not spectacular by any means, but considering that it was the first athletic event of any kind that I have ever participated in, I thought I did pretty well.)

Congradulations!  Finishing a tri is a great goal, made even greater in your case by doing it as your first race!

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  I just finished my first TRI (the Reeds lake tri in Grand Rapids, MI Sept 7.) It was pretty short (1/2 mi swim, 18 bike, 5 run)  I trained for about 3 months, during which time I swam 1/2 mile every M,W,F at lunch at work.

<<snip (BTW, I finished in 2 hrs 25 min.  Not spectacular by any means, but considering that it was the first athletic event of any kind that I have ever participated in, I thought I did pretty well.)

Alex, Congratulations on finishing your first TRI!  Most people would believe that ‘just finishing’ a TRI is spectacular in itself!  Whenever I start to compare my finishing times to the top place finishers, I always try to imagine how I my time would stack up if I were racing against the majority of the population who never makes it off of the couch! However, I was completely unprepared for the swim, what with the open water and 150 or so participants jumping in on the first wave.

I know how you feel .. my first TRI was last April.  The swim was just over a half mile.  I had know idea what to expect.  For one, I never swam in open water, so without the black line on the bottom of the pool to serve as a reference, I felt as if I were not moving at all.  As I slowed to catch my breath, I learned that people will swim ‘over’ you if you are in their way!  I began to breath very shallow … and finally started to swim backstroke just so I could breath.  After the first 1/4 mile, I relaxed…went back to freestyle, and finished the swim (slowly).  I was so upset with what happened to me at the start…I has serious doubts about entering another TRI.    Can anyone recommend swimming techniques to use in the pool that would improve my open water swimming?  Thanks!

I’m the wrong person to give you swimming technique advice; however, I will share a few things that have improved my open water swimming throughout my first season. I had no anxiety problems in the swim of my second TRI because 1) I knew what to expect (I still don’t enjoy being kicked in the head … but at least now I know it’s coming!), 2)  I knew where to seed myself for the swim start (further back and out to the side), and 3) I learned to relax and find my stride (Instead of thinking about everything going on around me, I think about my body position, my stroke, and about how much fun I’ll have when I got on my bike!).   Oh yeah… and 4)  I had faith that I actually was making forward progress! I put more time into my swim training after my ‘unpleasant’ swim experience in my first TRI (blaming my performance solely on technique); however, I believe that focussing on the four items above has saved as much time (and frustration) as the improvements in my swimming technique.  I’m still a long, long way away from being the first out of the water, but I have moved from the last 1/3 to the top 1/3 … and I’m actually starting to enjoy the swim! Congrats again…and good luck in your next TRI! –Jeff Grant—— Atlanta, Georgia

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Alex, First of all congratulations on finishing your first tri!  I’ve done lots of swimming in Lake Michigan and in nice calm pools.  Here are a few things I’ve learned… 1)  Try to start toward the outside of the wave.  Swim there for a little while until it’s not a feeding frenzy in the pack.  Then move on over to the mainline of the swim course.  You’ll avoid most of the claustrophobia and panic that can grip some of us at the very start of the wave. 2)  To simulate the open-water feeling, see if there’s any possibility of swimming without lane lines in the pool.  Even every other lane line out will give you much more of the "roll" that you’ll find in open water.  If the lifeguards can’t accomodate you, try swimming 25yds head-up free and then 25 head down.  This is good practice for spotting the next bouy, if nothing else. 3)  If all else fails, you’ll find that after a few more races you’ll get the hang of open water swimming.  Just like anything else, experience will make it more comfortable.  Also, head out to Lake Michigan during the summer and swim for 20 minutes or so.  Might be getting a little too chilly at this point, though. Hope some of this helps,      Max – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I just finished my first TRI (the Reeds lake tri in Grand Rapids, MI Sept 7.) It was pretty short (1/2 mi swim, 18 bike, 5 run)  I trained for about 3 months, during which time I swam 1/2 mile every M,W,F at lunch at work.    However, I was completely unprepared for the swim, what with the open water and 150 or so participants jumping in on the first wave.    Can anyone recommend swimming techniques to use in the pool that would improve my open water swimming?  Thanks! Alex Vandertol Grand Rapids, MI (BTW, I finished in 2 hrs 25 min.  Not spectacular by any means, but considering that it was the first athletic event of any kind that I have ever participated in, I thought I did pretty well.)

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Can anyone recommend swimming techniques to use in the pool that would

improve my open water swimming?   Swim in the choppiest lane in your pool. I swim in a community pool without decent spillways, and so while the water is "slow" the extra chop helps you – a little – in getting ready for open water. Also, work hard to pick your head up a lot to look forward every three or so strokes. You may not need to navigate that much in the real race, but it will be good practice for navigating and by breaking up your stroke it will approximate the mess of a tri swim. Also, if you are alone in the pool and there are no ropes, try swimming in circles. First time I tried to swim for 30 minutes without ever touching the side of the pool I almost died. Finally, there is no better practice for open water swimming than – you guessed it – open water swimming. Get down to the lake or river or ocean two or three times before the race and try out the real thing. Nothing better. Consolation story – my first tri I swam without a wetsuit, without goggles, in a pair of volleyball shorts with three pockets that acted like a parachute, and was stunned to discover that there were no neat painted lines on the bottom of the lake to follow. (Duh!) I don’t remember exactly, but I think I was in the water for 35 minutes for a 1K – and I had done 18 minutes in the pool the week before. And when I got out I was near death. But I finished, slower than you did for a similar distance, and for some sick reason claimed to all that I had a great time. Go figure. Brian Sullivan

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    I just finished my first TRI (the Reeds lake tri in Grand Rapids, MI Sept 7.) It was pretty short (1/2 mi swim, 18 bike, 5 run)  I trained for about 3 months, during which time I swam 1/2 mile every M,W,F at lunch at work.     However, I was completely unprepared for the swim, what with the open water and 150 or so participants jumping in on the first wave.     Can anyone recommend swimming techniques to use in the pool that would improve my open water swimming?  Thanks! Alex Vandertol Grand Rapids, MI (BTW, I finished in 2 hrs 25 min.  Not spectacular by any means, but considering that it was the first athletic event of any kind that I have ever participated in, I thought I did pretty well.)

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I am flying on America West to the Escape on June 9th and want to avoid $$$bike charges$$$ (or at least minimize them).  My flight is already booked my flight and I have read the latest issue of Triathlete (which focuses on bike travel).   Is there anything I can do (a card, coupon, discount, trickery)?  Any suggestions are appreciated.

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I am flying on America West to the Escape on June 9th and want to avoid $$$bike charges$$$ (or at least minimize them).  My flight is already booked my flight and I have read the latest issue of Triathlete (which focuses on bike travel).   Is there anything I can do (a card, coupon, discount, trickery)?  Any suggestions are appreciated.

One trick is to tell the person that the big item is exercise equipment.   I have heard it works. Also, I have seen ads for some club you join to get the fee waived.  It usually appears in TRIATHLETE each issue.

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: I am flying on America West to the Escape on June 9th and want to avoid $$$bike charges$$$ (or at : least minimize them).  My flight is already booked my flight and I have read the latest issue of : Triathlete (which focuses on bike travel).   : Is there anything I can do (a card, coupon, discount, trickery)?  Any suggestions are : appreciated. Well, speaking as someone who worked as one for a year, try checking it curbside.  It’s amazing how a flash of a $10 bill as a tip might get them to "forget" any charges…. Capitalism at its best/worst… TriGrouch Jason Mayfield              "I went out there, in search of experience.  To Arlington, Virginia          taste and to touch, and to feel as much, as a                              man can, before he repents." -Johnny Cash "The Wanderer"

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I am flying on America West to the Escape on June 9th and want to avoid $$$bike charges$$$ (or at least minimize them).  My flight is already booked my flight and I have read the latest issue of Triathlete (which focuses on bike travel).   One trick is to tell the person that the big item is exercise equipment.   I have heard it works. Also, I have seen ads for some club you join to get the fee waived.  It usually appears in TRIATHLETE each issue.

Can you ship it to a local bike shop by UPS?

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UPS.  The bike must be boxed well (with a cardboard cover, I was told). Ship it directly to the hotel, having notified the baggage service in advance.  Tip + shipping should be reasonable, and you won’t have to figure how to get the huge thing to/from the airport from/to the hotel.  A good hotel will ship it back for you with minimal hassle.  Tip well, ship well in advance,  and insure it. Byron J. Byron Walthall, Jr. Charlotte, NC, USA

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Unless your box says bike all over it, just say it is part of a display for a trade show or computer equipment… Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon I am flying on America West to the Escape on June 9th and want to avoid $$$bike charges$$$ (or at least minimize them).  My flight is already booked my flight and I have read the latest issue of Triathlete (which focuses on bike travel).   Is there anything I can do (a card, coupon, discount, trickery)? Any suggestions are appreciated.

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: I’m in the process of setting up a home page on the www. I’m including : triathlon and cycling links as my main features. However, I don’t have and : triathlon www addresses ( a bit of a problem for my home page). : Thus, I’m looking for all the triathlon www pages I can get. PLEASE : send me some. Perhaps my page will become a useful tool for those searching : the net for triathlon info. try   http://iac.net/~miller/triathlon-home.html :  Metro Cycle Club  Halifax, NS                       :  ACADIA UNIVERSITY                   __o       o   :  Physics/Math/Comp.     __/o_      ’ ,-     <| :  Wolfville, NS                    (*)/( )     –   :  CANADA                  ’TRI’n does a body good’                        

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i certainly hope it comes out like it’s in your head and not the way you’ve described it in ascii. Allright Mr. smarty-pants, I’ll have you know that I ftp’d a primer on html from Netscape, and I’m building my home page right now. When you see how great it looks you’ll be so impressed you’ll go right out and buy a Kilo.

no offense intended. — jesus left chicago went down to new orleans…                    - zz top

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<<no offense intended. None taken. QRman

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i certainly hope it comes out like it’s in your head and not the way you’ve described it in ascii.

Allright Mr. smarty-pants, I’ll have you know that I ftp’d a primer on html from Netscape, and I’m building my home page right now. When you see how great it looks you’ll be so impressed you’ll go right out and buy a Kilo. QRman

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: [snip] [stuff deleted] : luck).  I have heard that it is possible to "point" someone who is : perusing your home page to other home pages, in effect having a home page : act as a "gateway" to other home pages of a similar theme (and here I know : I’m using the term "gateway" in a totally imprecise manner). : Assuming this is possible, I hope those of us with pages on the brain will : organize them together in this fashion. : QRman — One of the most frustrating things on WWW is finding homepages that don’t have anything but links to other homepages, especially when these links are where you just linked from!  Go ahead and link to each other’s homepages–sounds great.  But put some information in there, as well. (p.s., if you ever get that ethernet thing figured out, let us know how it works.) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<    "If you’re not sure whether you mission in      |    life has been fulfilled, check to see if you’re | Lance W. Robinson    to do."                                         | <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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[snip] Realizing of course that I have no idea what I’m talking about on this issue (as well as many others, but my motto is TALK ON! anyway): I am setting up my home page.  I have it completely figured it in my head, and am now commencing toward getting it from there to the computer  (I attempted to cable my ear to the modem port via an Ethernet connection, no luck).  I have heard that it is possible to "point" someone who is perusing your home page to other home pages, in effect having a home page act as a "gateway" to other home pages of a similar theme (and here I know I’m using the term "gateway" in a totally imprecise manner). Assuming this is possible, I hope those of us with pages on the brain will organize them together in this fashion. QRman

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I maintain a Web page called "Cycling the Net" that contains links to many cycling related sites on the internet, as well as some Triathlon links. it is located at: http://www.kent.wednet.edu/dpbjs/cycling.html Brent Soderberg                                  __o     Seattle, Washington                             -<,     WWW Page: http://www.kent.wednet.edu/dpbjs/brent.html  

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I’m in the process of setting up a home page on the www. I’m including triathlon and cycling links as my main features. However, I don’t have and triathlon www addresses ( a bit of a problem for my home page). Thus, I’m looking for all the triathlon www pages I can get. PLEASE send me some. Perhaps my page will become a useful tool for those searching the net for triathlon info. I’m planning to be up and running by the end of the week before I head home for Christmas.  I’ll post my www site when it’s ready. thanks in advance, jason  Metro Cycle Club  Halifax, NS                        ACADIA UNIVERSITY                   __o       o    Physics/Math/Comp.     __/o_      ’ ,-     <|  Wolfville, NS                    (*)/( )     –    CANADA                  ’TRI’n does a body good’                        

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I’m in the process of setting up a home page on the www. I’m including triathlon and cycling links as my main features. However, I don’t have and triathlon www addresses ( a bit of a problem for my home page). Thus, I’m looking for all the triathlon www pages I can get. PLEASE send me some. Perhaps my page will become a useful tool for those searching the net for triathlon info. I’m planning to be up and running by the end of the week before I head home for Christmas.  I’ll post my www site when it’s ready. thanks in advance, jason

My home page is up and running  However, I only know of two triathlon pages and i don’t even know their url addresses. R.S.T can check out my page and send me comments by checking out: http://dragon.acadiau.ca:1667/~005963m/jay_homepage.html I’m still looking for triathlon url’s. jason  Metro Cycle Club  Halifax, NS                        ACADIA UNIVERSITY                   __o       o    Physics/Math/Comp.     __/o_      ’ ,-     <|  Wolfville, NS                    (*)/( )     –    CANADA                  ’TRI’n does a body good’                          jason’s experimental WWW home page  http://dragon.acadiau.ca:1667/~/005963m/jay_homepage.html

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] Realizing of course that I have no idea what I’m talking about on this issue (as well as many others, but my motto is TALK ON! anyway): I am setting up my home page.  I have it completely figured it in my head, and am now commencing toward getting it from there to the computer  (I attempted to cable my ear to the modem port via an Ethernet connection, no luck).  I have heard that it is possible to "point" someone who is perusing your home page to other home pages, in effect having a home page act as a "gateway" to other home pages of a similar theme (and here I know I’m using the term "gateway" in a totally imprecise manner). Assuming this is possible, I hope those of us with pages on the brain will organize them together in this fashion. QRman

Sounds great. If r.s.t can keep it’s homepages linked ( hyperlinks ) then all of our information will be accessible. I’ll be looking forward to your home page QRman. I’ll be adding a link to Matt Mahoney’s home page on mine. I’ll be gone for the holidays for a couple of weeks so to everyone on r.s.t, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!! jason  Metro Cycle Club  Halifax, NS                        ACADIA UNIVERSITY                   __o       o    Physics/Math/Comp.     __/o_      ’ ,-     <|  Wolfville, NS                    (*)/( )     –    CANADA                  ’TRI’n does a body good’                          jason’s experimental WWW home page  http://dragon.acadiau.ca:1667/~/005963m/jay_homepage.html

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Realizing of course that I have no idea what I’m talking about on this issue (as well as many others, but my motto is TALK ON! anyway): I am setting up my home page.  I have it completely figured it in my head, and am now commencing toward getting it from there to the computer  (I attempted to cable my ear to the modem port via an Ethernet connection, no luck).

well, if you have sufficient error-checking turned on, it just might work.  also, ppp is better than slip and cslip.  i’ve also heard of a new technology.  you know that light your doctor shines in your ear (not the one he shines up your butt)?  well, try fiber optics from your brain, thru your ear and into a suitable port on your computer (ain’t technology wonderful?). I have heard that it is possible to "point" someone who is perusing your home page to other home pages, in effect having a home page act as a "gateway" to other home pages of a similar theme (and here I know I’m using the term "gateway" in a totally imprecise manner).

frightening, absolutely frightening. Assuming this is possible, I hope those of us with pages on the brain will organize them together in this fashion.  now i know why i never see any

r.s.t people in the comp hierarchy… i certainly hope it comes out like it’s in your head and not the way you’ve described it in ascii.

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Check out <A HREF="http://canyon.epg.harris.com/~mvm/" my home page.</A Its mostly pointers to running pages, but I’ll be adding other stuff later.  The Florida race calendar includes running and triathlons and should be updated monthly. #include "disclaimer.h"                |____|

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I’m in the process of setting up a home page on the www. I’m including triathlon and cycling links as my main features. However, I don’t have and triathlon www addresses ( a bit of a problem for my home page).

Funny you should ask….I know I’ve posted this address to others, but there is new info (and Photos!) on my page.  The address is as follows:      http://iac.net/~miller         (note the ~ before miller) I am also still looking for contributions.  Someone recently suggested that I post some of the more informative postings from this newsgroup.  Unfortunately I am not comfortable doing that without the author’s permission, as this would likely be a copyright violation (jury is still out on that issue).  BUT, I am more than willing to include any stories, articles, listings, photos, etc. that are sent to me by the author.  There a quite a few knowledgeable people on the Net (e.g, QRMan, Dr. Maffetone, and many others I am not intending to slight in any way), and I would love to be able to maintain some of their pearls of wisdom for all to access (hint, hint).  In fact, I’d be happy to include QRMan’s price list and catalog at my web site in exchange for a Kilo frame (hah! dream on, huh!).  ;)                                                         Noodle

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