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Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks. —

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Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks.

It’s impossible to tell. All I can say is that I believe there are a lot more "lurkers" out there than there are "regulars", the people who continually post to this ng. All I can say is that this ng has a wide reaching effect to the worldwide triathlon community, since some of the lurkers out there are pros and influencial people in each of the governing bodies of the sport. So my educational guess at how many subscribers out there would be "a lot".                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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We had a person studying RST a few years back for her doctoral thesis on "virtual communities". Her name was Anita Blanchard, and I have a copy of her final report. I just perused it and found the following excerpt, which is relevant to this thread…. "A 1995 estimate of Usenet newsgroup activity ranked RST in the 67th percentile of active newsgroups with approximately 17,000 readers (Atkinson, 1995).  During my observations, there were 261 unique posters.  Even assuming the number of readers remained constant, the ratio of posters to readers was quite low.  Lurkers, therefore, made up the vast majority of RST members" Schwing – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks. —

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Perhaps he meant 100% more… I believe that there are "about" 17,000 regular readers. Someone used RST for their Phd paper and I remember that this figure comes from there. Phil — Phil Squire www.recsporttriathlon.com The Online Home of RST . Over 100% lurkers? Now that is a statistic I would like explained. Todd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . Hi I am an age-group Triathlete from NS ie  Nova Scotia with over 12 years in the sport. I also have some knowledge of listeners on amateur radio net.  One of my friends from that hobby say that there usually is anywhere from 50 to well over a hundred % of people who monitor events newsgroups like myself, but seldom respond. My answer to your question is alot! Smile I would say double Plus. Yours in sport.. Barry" Flash" D.

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Over 100% lurkers? Now that is a statistic I would like explained. Todd

. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi I am an age-group Triathlete from NS ie  Nova Scotia with over 12 years in the sport. I also have some knowledge of listeners on amateur radio net.  One of my friends from that hobby say that there usually is anywhere from 50 to well over a hundred % of people who monitor events newsgroups like myself, but seldom respond. My answer to your question is alot! Smile I would say double Plus. Yours in sport.. Barry" Flash" D.

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        Hi I am an age-group Triathlete from NS ie  Nova Scotia with over 12 years in the sport. I also have some knowledge of listeners on amateur radio net.  One of my friends from that hobby say that there usually is anywhere from 50 to well over a hundred % of people who monitor events newsgroups like myself, but seldom respond. My answer to your question is alot! Smile I would say double Plus. Yours in sport.. Barry" Flash" D.

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can i be a regular lurker ? —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks. It’s impossible to tell. All I can say is that I believe there are a lot more "lurkers" out there than there are "regulars", the people who continually post to this ng. All I can say is that this ng has a wide reaching effect to the worldwide triathlon community, since some of the lurkers out there are pros and influencial people in each of the governing bodies of the sport. So my educational guess at how many subscribers out there would be "a lot".                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   | IMC’99: 10:45:03          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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can i be a regular lurker ?

Nope. Once you’ve posted you’ve de-lurked. Time to become a regular contributor David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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Nope. Once you’ve posted you’ve de-lurked. Time to become a regular contributor

One question that just crossed my mind. Has the term "lurker", which has been all but coined in public chatrooms and newsgroups, been placed into one of the official dictionaries on the English language yet? This particular definition, that is? Iron Pete "just a wild thought that came to me when reading this thread" Priolo

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Dear Iron Pete:  Although "lurker" is in the Oxford English Dictionary, our usage of that term is not recognized therein. -Robert – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nope. Once you’ve posted you’ve de-lurked. Time to become a regular contributor One question that just crossed my mind. Has the term "lurker", which has been all but coined in public chatrooms and newsgroups, been placed into one of the official dictionaries on the English language yet? This particular definition, that is? Iron Pete "just a wild thought that came to me when reading this thread" Priolo

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someone did their thesis on the newsgroup? That is too funny. Just out of curiosity, was it interesting? Now back to lurking. gregvb. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – We had a person studying RST a few years back for her doctoral thesis on "virtual communities". Her name was Anita Blanchard, and I have a copy of her final report. I just perused it and found the following excerpt, which is relevant to this thread…. "A 1995 estimate of Usenet newsgroup activity ranked RST in the 67th percentile of active newsgroups with approximately 17,000 readers (Atkinson, 1995).  During my observations, there were 261 unique posters.  Even assuming the number of readers remained constant, the ratio of posters to readers was quite low.  Lurkers, therefore, made up the vast majority of RST members" Schwing Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks. —

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Actually, it was pretty interesting. It was more about exploring the new (at the time) concept of a virtual community, but proofed on the RST newsgroup. Anita at one time told me when it was done I could post the whole thing on our website. I’ll see if she’s still amicable to that and get back to you. Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – someone did their thesis on the newsgroup? That is too funny. Just out of curiosity, was it interesting? Now back to lurking. gregvb. We had a person studying RST a few years back for her doctoral thesis on "virtual communities". Her name was Anita Blanchard, and I have a copy of her final report. I just perused it and found the following excerpt, which is relevant to this thread…. "A 1995 estimate of Usenet newsgroup activity ranked RST in the 67th percentile of active newsgroups with approximately 17,000 readers (Atkinson, 1995).  During my observations, there were 261 unique posters.  Even assuming the number of readers remained constant, the ratio of posters to readers was quite low.  Lurkers, therefore, made up the vast majority of RST members" Schwing Just wondering if anyone knew how many subscribers there are to this newsgroup.  Approximate numbers would be great. Thanks. — Before you buy.

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Keith I take your points, perhaps it’s a European thing? We’re inspired by the elite and in the US people are inspired by those with whom they can directly relate? Though I’d hope that the three million don’t all have Judy’s hurdles to overcome! Phil

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Phil: I have yet to see NBC broadcast this event without paying close attention to the overall winners. This includes human interest features on how the winners were able to get to this level. For some reason or another everyone tends to remember the stories on the Mr. Hoyts’ and Judy Molnars’. Maybe the viewers relate with their experience in a closer way. I have personally introduced more first time triathletes to the sport of triathlon by sharing the Judy Molnar story vs. the Dave Scott 6-time world champion story. (I owned a running store for 12 years and subsequently spent a great deal of time introducing runners to the sport of triathlon )IMHO, the 3 million viewers watching this broadcast can certainly relate to the Judy Molnar’s and may get off the couch and do something, the other 500 thousand viewers are striving to be the Dave Scott. NBC is most interested in reaching the masses. Keith Ironman Wetsuits www.IronmanWetsuits.com 800.897.6464 804.288.6000 Keith I wonder how many active triathletes get into triathlon through a "human interest story"? My motivation, among other things, was Dave Scott and his early domination of IMH. I didn’t want to be like "joe age grouper" although that’s who I am, I wanted to race over the same distances as, and emulate my heroes. The "I want to be like my hero" dream applies to most sports. There aren’t many teenage triathletes here in Europe with pictures of the Mr Hoyt on their wall, however outstanding his achievement, it’s more likely to be Z

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I am looking for information about the Beijing International Marathon. If some of you could give me some web sites or some adresses. Thanks a lot Ludovic

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Here is a site with some travel info: http://www.ctsho.com/marathon1.html. Ken I am looking for information about the Beijing International Marathon. If some of you could give me some web sites or some adresses. Thanks a lot Ludovic

Ken Parker Runner’s Web A running & triathlon resource site. http://www.runnersweb.com/running.html

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For all you RSTrs in Manhattan, NY, Lance Armstrong will be at Niketown from 11 – 12PM on Thursday.  I don’t know if he will be signing autographs or not. This guy is amazing.  He will be riding Crits in Europe from Mon – Wed. Fly to NY on Thursday to do interviews and appearances (TODAY, Dave Letterman, Larry King).  Then fly back to Europe on Friday for more racing. There’s a great ad at www.nike.com that appeared on TV. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Fl Kona 98 Floridian 96, 99 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Rolla – I would eat the same thing that you have been eating during your long training rides.  I did this for my first 1/2 IM and had no problems. Apparently, there is a fair amount of risk switching your race nutrition from your training nutrition.  Safer to stick with what’s been proven in training. gordo — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Remove SPAM to e-mail me

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I am doing my first long tri ,a 1/2 ironman. What should I eat during thr bike section? Solids , gels, fluids etc. Please give me any advice .

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I am doing my first long tri ,a 1/2 ironman. What should I eat during thr bike section? Solids , gels, fluids etc. Please give me any advice .

It’s going to be different for each person; how much to eat, which foods can they handle, etc. For example, I can eat GU, Powerbars, but cannot handle Exceed. Others can handle Exceed but can’t handle GU. The best thing to do when training for a race this long is to try to eat the various foods/gels/fluids during yout training rides and see if your body can handle it. If you don’t have much time left, then you’re going to have to guess what your body needs during the race. I think a good starting point is to try to eat 65-75g per carbohydrate per hour. Hopefully the choice of foods you take will be the correct one for your race. Others here will probably give some better advice than I can, but the above solutions are given from my perspective of racing 0.5 Fe races. Good luck in your race.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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Oh.  I though it was a reference to the numerous 300 pound linemen who can run 40 yard dashes well under 5 seconds (at least as reported by their college coaches to NFL scouts). —   -Ray Charbonneau The MITRE Corporation – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Miles was referring to one chap who claimed that his college football mates used to run 4 minute miles regularly as warm ups for practice. We never convinced him otherwise.

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I could do a 10k in 3 minutes ! Really ! Oops, I just forgot to say I cheat a little: it is while jumping from an airplane, before to open the parachute. ) Yves. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little.

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Gee Zworque, a few posts ago you were beginning to gain back some of your depleted credibility, but after reading this one, I’m starting to think that you really are a legend in your own mind!  Beware of cryptonite, superman. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little. First the track was straight, so no slowing down by the curves of a race track. Second (most important) I had a strong wind blowing in my back. I never said it was a world record (or better than a world record), some of you  did. Alternatively I could have run from a hill side, if we had such things in my flat country. That would have increased my speed also. Did I fool you? No, not really. I never wrote how this ‘PR’ was established. You all thought it must have been on a race track or something like that. Without all those advantages, my speed would have been considerably lower. Again, at that time I wasn’t interested in athletics, only in a good physical shape. And if I could run that fast, even if in hindsight my time result wasn’t truely a PR in the eyes of an athletics person, I surely was in good shape. And something of that must have remained in my body, otherwise I can’t explain my progress in the last 3 months. People who have done little about shaping their body in their youth will probably progress not as fast as I’m currently progressing. So in my view training fixed schedules (or even group training) is bogus, or at best a sign of weekness from the part of the coach. Everyone should train in her/his own progressing rate and should never depend solely on another person’s training experience. What I ment was that what works well for one person isn’t automatically the best thing for another person. Is this clear now? Signing off. Zworque.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque. My bullshit detector just went off :   920 m in 103 sec equates to a 89.6 sec 800 m.  That is a 1:29.6 which would have better Seb Coe’s 1981 WR of 1:41.72 by over 12 sec—hell you could run 920m almost as fast as Coe could run 800m. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

Not so fast – maybe he ran the first 420 m in 100 seconds and then jumped off a 500 m cliff.

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I don’t know who you hang out with, but in my circle we don’t need to PROVE anything!  If someone has a great time on a training run ALONE and tells the group at the next group run, we believe him or her and don’t question their honesty.  We praise their result as if we had witnessed the performance. After all, what has someone got to gain by lying about their performance? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much. I now understand that if I had run that time, I would have been some kind of superman. And BTW if I were *the* Superman, I would have been not too bright, exposing myself this way In the next paragraph I will bow to your awesome knowledge and unsurpassed wisdom: : In other words if you and many others say it is impossible, then it : MUST be impossible. I must have been mistaken, my eyes must have : been blurred and my mind must have mingled up things. It must have, : must have, surely must have, if you say so, it must be the absolute and : irrefutable T.R.U.T.H. I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have. Zworque. BTW #1 Results in training may count,  but can’t be proven to outstanders, unless there is an impartial official present. And as you may understand from the text above, *knowing* you got a certain time result doesn’t count. Only if you can *prove* it  to others, a time result becomes something you can mention to others, without the risc of being laughed about or being mocked. If you can’t prove it, it doesn’t count, however sure you are of yourself you are telling the truth. BTW #2 And to answer the person who started this thread. Yes, you can halve your expected 10K time of 2 hours, if you set your mind to it. Just keep on running, run long slow runs and short fast runs, with an emphasis on long slow runs. And don’t forget to do something about those injuries "What," would you ask me? Well we won’t be beginning another war, will we You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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And results DO count in training! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much. I now understand that if I had run that time, I would have been some kind of superman. And BTW if I were *the* Superman, I would have been not too bright, exposing myself this way In the next paragraph I will bow to your awesome knowledge and unsurpassed wisdom: : In other words if you and many others say it is impossible, then it : MUST be impossible. I must have been mistaken, my eyes must have : been blurred and my mind must have mingled up things. It must have, : must have, surely must have, if you say so, it must be the absolute and : irrefutable T.R.U.T.H. I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have. Zworque. BTW #1 Results in training may count,  but can’t be proven to outstanders, unless there is an impartial official present. And as you may understand from the text above, *knowing* you got a certain time result doesn’t count. Only if you can *prove* it  to others, a time result becomes something you can mention to others, without the risc of being laughed about or being mocked. If you can’t prove it, it doesn’t count, however sure you are of yourself you are telling the truth. BTW #2 And to answer the person who started this thread. Yes, you can halve your expected 10K time of 2 hours, if you set your mind to it. Just keep on running, run long slow runs and short fast runs, with an emphasis on long slow runs. And don’t forget to do something about those injuries "What," would you ask me? Well we won’t be beginning another war, will we – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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I repeat–to avoid any doubts in your minds: I must have exagerating too much. What should I do more to convince you people of my sincerity in this matter, cut off my legs so I will never be able to prove I was right? If that makes you happy I will do that at once …NOT;-) Hope you have more fun running than reading this post. I for one have.

Whether it was exaggeration, embellishment, or a simple bad key stroke, you took it well. Boy am I sluggish  from my last night’s track workout – 20×440m at 44 to 46 seconds. I usually do them at 40-42.  What me, pull your leg? — Caveat Lector!

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If it makes you happy: I must have been exagerating too much.

Zworque: Thanks for taking this in an upbeat manner. If you haven’t guessed by now, you have suffered the backlash from previous posters. Occasionally someone will come on and post some outlandish claim and then try to defend it as legitimate. Miles was referring to one chap who claimed that his college football mates used to run 4 minute miles regularly as warm ups for practice. We never convinced him otherwise. I got nailed recently when I miscalculated a bike average and made a stupid claim about Ironman bike times. It happens. Mike "To the best and worst of us" Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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If someone wonders how I did run that fast. Well, I cheated a little. First the track was straight, so no slowing down by the curves of a race track. Second (most important) I had a strong wind blowing in my back. I never said it was a world record (or better than a world record), some of you  did. Alternatively I could have run from a hill side, if we had such things in my flat country. That would have increased my speed also. Did I fool you? No, not really. I never wrote how this ‘PR’ was established. You all thought it must have been on a race track or something like that. Without all those advantages, my speed would have been considerably lower. Again, at that time I wasn’t interested in athletics, only in a good physical shape. And if I could run that fast, even if in hindsight my time result wasn’t truely a PR in the eyes of an athletics person, I surely was in good shape. And something of that must have remained in my body, otherwise I can’t explain my progress in the last 3 months. People who have done little about shaping their body in their youth will probably progress not as fast as I’m currently progressing. So in my view training fixed schedules (or even group training) is bogus, or at best a sign of weekness from the part of the coach. Everyone should train in her/his own progressing rate and should never depend solely on another person’s training experience. What I ment was that what works well for one person isn’t automatically the best thing for another person. Is this clear now? Signing off. Zworque.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on     time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!!

   6) A 13 year old boxer (IIRC)   The disconcerting thing is that _this_ time the numbers chosen were obviously ludicrous.  Where would the original questioner be if this fellow hadn’t obviously been wrong?  Thinking that some fantastic rate of improvement was not only possible, but maybe there was something wrong with them if they didn’t improve as fast?  Tempted to overdo to the point of injury in order to match the (fictitous) improvements noted by this fellow?   — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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Could you repeat that in English please! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on     time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!!   6) A 13 year old boxer (IIRC)  The disconcerting thing is that _this_ time the numbers chosen were obviously ludicrous.  Where would the original questioner be if this fellow hadn’t obviously been wrong?  Thinking that some fantastic rate of improvement was not only possible, but maybe there was something wrong with them if they didn’t improve as fast?  Tempted to overdo to the point of injury in order to match the (fictitous) improvements noted by this fellow? — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!!

6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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You take it back because you can’t prove it?  Seems you really think you accomplished this impossible feat and someday will prove it.  Get real…admit you were exagerating a little too much! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches Or:  5) Trained with a college football team!!! 6) Abducted by aliens, who implanted false memories To avoid a further build up of disbelieve, let’s say I was somewhat wrong. The distance was OK (I re-measured the distance last Sunday with a bike computer). But I can’t prove the time result was OK. And anyhow, time results in training don’t count, do they? So until I can prove otherwise I take back those words about 920 metres in 1 minute and 43 seconds. Are you happy now? Zworque.

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 Getting the 10k down to 45-50 minutes may not be realistic by May. I was in my second year back running before I even completed 10k, no mention of time.  (Granted I was conservative about adding distance. This year, my third, my longest was 20k.  The first year long was 5k. Steady increases _do_ build up.  And they help avoid injury.)  May is 6 months off, so I’d guess (since you’re not starting from zero) that you certainly have time to train to finish the 10k in comfort.  The time, I wouldn’t hazard a guess yet.

I would like to add this: "How different people can be!" Now for some boast on my part: Five months ago I couldn’t walk any further than 3K. Three months ago I couldn’t run any further than 500 m. Today I ran a very slow (and easy) 23.5K in 2.6 hours. I wasn’t even tired. Next week I hope to run a LSD of 30K+ in 3.5 hours at 50% of my max heart rate. And I hope to break the 20 minutes barrier for the 5K very soon. I’m a 38 year old male. My walking speed is about 8 Kph (5 mph), during my last 10K walk (no more than 40% of my max HR). BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque.

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR.

To be honest, I don’t believe you. This normalizes to a 1:29 800 meters. The world record for 800 meters is 1:41.11. -Ekr           eTrain – free triathlon training software               http://www.rtfm.com/tri/etrain/html

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR.

uh, yeah, right, and i just ran a marathon in 1:58:00. — /*  Mike D. Kail                    |  voice:  (619) 410-3773  */ /*  Unix System Architect           |  fax:    (619) 410-3701  */

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. Zworque.

My bullshit detector just went off :   920 m in 103 sec equates to a 89.6 sec 800 m.  That is a 1:29.6 which would have better Seb Coe’s 1981 WR of 1:41.72 by over 12 sec—hell you could run 920m almost as fast as Coe could run 800m. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

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BTW To be honest I should add that when I was much younger, I ran 920 metres in 1:43 (hand clocked). That is roughly 32 Kph, or 20 mph. But I wasn’t interested in athletics then, so I didn’t see any importance in such a PR. You are either: 1) mistaken about your time 2) had it timed very poorly (maybe the person forgot to start the watch on time) 3) lying 4) foolish to have thrown away riches

Or:   5) Trained with a college football team!!!   Miles – with apologies for dragging out that old chestnut —  "Focus. Relaxed Form. Stay smooth. Flow. Breathe."   – gapo ‘98 Cut the .over.the.rainbow if you prefer to reply by email

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I am 32 years old. I started running a few years ago, paused when I hurt my knee, recovered, paused during the summer heat, and am now running again. I have decided to enter a 10K race which will be held here in May. However, I think I am very slow: my 5K time is between 45 and 50 minutes (on track machine, with heart rate kept in the zone). That would make my 10K time almost two hours. I feel this can be improved upond drasticaly, and I think I have enough time to do it. Can anybody advise me on what kind of workouts I need to do to double my abysmal speed over the distance of 10K? — "My name is Not Important. Not to friends.     But you can call me mr. Important"  - Not J. Important

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I have decided to enter a 10K race which will be held here in May. However, I think I am very slow: my 5K time is between 45 and 50 minutes (on track machine, with heart rate kept in the zone). That would make my 10K time almost two hours. I feel this can be improved upond drasticaly, and I think I have enough time to do it. Can anybody advise me on what kind of workouts I need to do to double my abysmal speed over the distance of 10K?

  At the moment, your pace is 12-16 minute miles.  This is walking pace, so I’d suggest that you start by walking, rather than running.  The extra impact of the running is not doing you any good, and probably (verify with heart rate check) your heart rate will reach a good training zone by walking.  Go with it, if so.  3-4 days/week of 20-30 minutes walking at pace, repeat until you’re not reaching your heart rate training zone by walking alone, and then start adding in some running.   Getting the 10k down to 45-50 minutes may not be realistic by May. I was in my second year back running before I even completed 10k, no mention of time.  (Granted I was conservative about adding distance. This year, my third, my longest was 20k.  The first year long was 5k. Steady increases _do_ build up.  And they help avoid injury.)  May is 6 months off, so I’d guess (since you’re not starting from zero) that you certainly have time to train to finish the 10k in comfort.  The time, I wouldn’t hazard a guess yet. — Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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Hi!!!         I heard about mini triathlons and was wondering if anyone knew more about them—-Mainly, what are the distances for each part of the race, how to get in a trainning group near me, and how to find out about actual races!!  If anyone could respond I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!!!

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Women’s Triathlon series 500 yd swim 12 mile bike 3 mile run – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi!!! I heard about mini triathlons and was wondering if anyone knew more about them—-Mainly, what are the distances for each part of the race, how to get in a trainning group near me, and how to find out about actual races!!  If anyone could respond I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!!!

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Hi!!!         I heard about mini triathlons and was wondering if anyone knew more about them—-Mainly, what are the distances for each part of the race, how to get in a trainning group near me, and how to find out about actual races!!  If anyone could respond I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!!!

"Mini" triathlons, generally known as "sprints", come in a wide variety of distances.  The most standard is a 1k swim, 20k bike, and 5k run (roughly, .62 mile swim, 12.5 mile bike, 3.1 mile run). To find out about local training groups and races, head to your local bike or running shop.  Most places will have free publications listing events in your state.  You can probably find Competitor Magazine or City Sports Magazine at bike shops in Davis.   You can also check the websites for the national triathlon publications: Inside Triathlon:  http://www.insidetri.com/ Triathlete:        http://www.triathletemag.com/index.html Also take a look at the rec.sport.triathlon Frequently Asked Questions list:    http://www.interactive.net/~troehr/tri-faq.html Finally, keep checking in with the rec.sport.triathlon newsgroup here. You’ll find it’s an invaluable resource.  You might try posting something asking specifically if there are triathletes in your area who are willing to help you out. Good luck! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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I need to hear some success stories about people who were able to return to marathoning (or at least to jogging on a 3  or 4 day per week basis, at 1 hour per run) following back surgery, preferably for herniated disc at L-5. I am anxious to get back to it, but nervous and want some reason to be hopeful that I can go all the way and be a marathoner again. If you returned from similar circumstances, how long did you wait; what was your program; what can you recommend; etc? thanks, PG

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I need to hear some success stories about people who were able to return to marathoning (or at least to jogging on a 3  or 4 day per week basis, at 1 hour per run) following back surgery, preferably for herniated disc at L-5.

    Iactually did my first marathon after a discectomy at L5S1. I can’t give you specifics on my training program but I can tell you that I started out by simply walking a half-mile. After increasing the distance to over a mile, I started jogging for short distances and then just built up from there, very gradually. Just be patient and don’t try to do too much too soon. I have since become a Marine parachutist and a triathlete, there’s you can’t do!                                                                    Steve                Steve Fredericks                Oceanside, CA

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can anyone recommend a simple running diary computer program which is compatible with a Mac, able to be downloaded free from the Web? Susan

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Make sure to check out The Athlete’s Diary. A free trial copy is available Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

The best solution… have software that converts a treadmill into a 3D real time running partner and saves the data with NO typing. Run the race before you get there.  Turn a Minnesota winter into a Hawaii afternoon with virtual reality.  And have the diary, and the heart rate monitor downloading, and artificial intelligence build custom workouts based on your goal, fitness level, and performance. And all for $99.95 Free working product at the website of UltraCOACH HRM software!! — Ken Burres MD UltraCoach Development  ..Check out UltraCoach VR!! http://www.ultracch.com

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Make sure to check out The Athlete’s Diary. A free trial copy is available Steve Patt Stevens Creek Software/The Athlete’s Bookstore   http://www.stevenscreek.com

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PC Coach lets you plan your own training, or set up a plan designed by a professional coach. You can create custom workouts to log anything you like, or use default workouts to log time, distance, splits, heart rate, etc. Training plans are available by Uta Pippig, Arturo Barrios, Coach Roy Benson, and Mike Pigg(triathlon). For more information, visit http://www.pccoach.com or call 1-800-52-COACH. Best of luck in your training, Laurie Dotter : Does anyone out there have some good run logging/analysis/training software to : recommend?  I’ve seen a fair bit of what’s available, and so far, have not : been overwhelmed.  The most impressive program I’ve come across so far is : Runner’s File.  It tracks a multitude of stats, stores training routes, race : results, shoe usages, and has data entry areas for scheduled training runs and : races as well as many other things.  It is a very ambitious piece of work and : the author seems very willing to listen to and incorporate suggestions. I’ve : recently resubscribed to RW and am awaiting the freebie sofware that entitled : me to.  Any experience with that that package out there?

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Does anyone out there have some good run logging/analysis/training software to recommend?  I’ve seen a fair bit of what’s available, and so far, have not been overwhelmed.  The most impressive program I’ve come across so far is Runner’s File.  It tracks a multitude of stats, stores training routes, race results, shoe usages, and has data entry areas for scheduled training runs and races as well as many other things.  It is a very ambitious piece of work and the author seems very willing to listen to and incorporate suggestions. I’ve recently resubscribed to RW and am awaiting the freebie sofware that entitled me to.  Any experience with that that package out there?

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Ok folks got me a handy dandy sample of SnakeOil er I mean Endurox from my doggie baggie at my last race.  The sample looks like enough for 5 day’s of training, so since its free I’ll give it a try and post results here! Why it may even make me SUPER RUNNER! —

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Test Day 1 Took two tablets 1 hour before combined bike/run workout. It didn’t cause the let’s swim to Hawaii THEN run ironman rush some other herbal products.  Then again it didn’t seem to do anything else eiher but at least it didn’t seem to do bad things. Test Day 2 Again took two tablets 1 hour before run.  3+ miles in heat (~90 deg)  Again didn’t seem to do much.

: Ok folks got me a handy dandy sample of SnakeOil er I mean Endurox from my : doggie baggie at my last race.  The sample looks like enough for 5 day’s of : training, so since its free I’ll give it a try and post results here! : Why it may even make me SUPER RUNNER! : — —

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Test Day 3 Took 2 tablets 1 hour before run.  Felt stronger than day 2 run.  Maybe this stuff works.  Maybe even though it’s hotter than day 2 their is only about 1/2 the humidity.

: Test Day 1 : Took two tablets 1 hour before combined bike/run workout. : It didn’t cause the let’s swim to Hawaii THEN run ironman rush some other : herbal products.  Then again it didn’t seem to do anything else eiher but at : least it didn’t seem to do bad things. : Test Day 2 : Again took two tablets 1 hour before run.  3+ miles in heat (~90 deg)  Again : didn’t seem to do much. : : Ok folks got me a handy dandy sample of SnakeOil er I mean Endurox from my : : doggie baggie at my last race.  The sample looks like enough for 5 day’s of : : training, so since its free I’ll give it a try and post results here! : : Why it may even make me SUPER RUNNER! : : — : — —

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Test Day 4 Took two tablets 1 hour before run.  The day was VERY HOT (95 deg) after a loop and a half (2 1/2 miles or so) I decide to pack it in.  Endurox doesn’t seem to be able to overcome the beating sun.

: Test Day 3 : Took 2 tablets 1 hour before run.  Felt stronger than day 2 run.  Maybe this : stuff works.  Maybe even though it’s hotter than day 2 their is only about : 1/2 the humidity. : : Test Day 1 : : Took two tablets 1 hour before combined bike/run workout. : : It didn’t cause the let’s swim to Hawaii THEN run ironman rush some other : : herbal products.  Then again it didn’t seem to do anything else eiher but at : : least it didn’t seem to do bad things. : : Test Day 2 : : Again took two tablets 1 hour before run.  3+ miles in heat (~90 deg)  Again : : didn’t seem to do much. : : : Ok folks got me a handy dandy sample of SnakeOil er I mean Endurox from my : : : doggie baggie at my last race.  The sample looks like enough for 5 day’s of : : : training, so since its free I’ll give it a try and post results here! : : : Why it may even make me SUPER RUNNER! : : : — : : — : — —

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Ok folks got me a handy dandy sample of SnakeOil er I mean Endurox from my doggie baggie at my last race.  The sample looks like enough for 5 day’s of training, so since its free I’ll give it a try and post results here! Why it may even make me SUPER RUNNER! —

Wishful thinking! I got a 30 day free supply, and nothing noteworthy to report. Scary, and a sad commentary though-I get free samples of the latest, greatest enhancers frequently and I gladly accept the guinea(sp)pig role, deluding myself that "this might help".   Lee Lee Rudin San Francisco Bay Area Triathlon Training Sites http://www.slip.net/~leeway/

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Perhaps JJ or Baringo will tell me if there is a word in journalism vocabulary that would describe the language used in the article about Dave Scott that appears in this month’s Triathlete. It is multi-colored, but not informative.  It seems to be a common style of writing in glossy mags and tabloids.  There should be a word for it, but I don’t know what it would be.  JJ?  Baringo? Kazez

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Ruth writes: Perhaps JJ or Baringo will tell me if there is a

word in journalismvocabulary that would describe the language used in the article about Dave Scott that appears in this month’s Triathlete. It is multi-colored, but not informative.  It seems to be a common style of writing in glossy mags and tabloids.  There should be a word for it, but I don’t know what it would be.  JJ?  Baringo? Excuse me, but I’m having a hard time resisting answering this one. Funny how a small three-letter word can stretch over seven pages, but here it is: EGO (and I’m not referring to Dave Scott’s).

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Kazez writes: Perhaps JJ or Baringo will tell me if there is a word in journalism

vocabulary that would describe the language used in the article about Dave Scott that appears in this month’s Triathlete. It is multi-colored, but not informative.  It seems to be a common style of writing in glossy mags and tabloids.  There should be a word for it, but I don’t know what it would be.  JJ?  Baringo?<< I think you described it pretty well yourself Ruth. I think Baringo and I have made it pretty clear how we feel about Triathlete’s  rapid turnover and change of direction since June of 94. Not much more can be said about it on rst. Now it’s up to the industry and the readers to decide. JJ

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Reading this article, I was struck by how much it was a "Dave Scott and me" article rather than an article about Dave Scott.  The idea of elevating the importance of the writer to be on a par with the subject is one that I see more and more, but mostly in magazines such as Vanity Fair and Rolling Stone — both more highbrow versions of People (before anyone flames me for picking on these magazines — I read all of them).  It is not something I associate with good coverage of sport and exercise.  Generally, the magazine has become increasingly more self-indulgent over the last several months. While I am on the subject, it seems that the amount of journalism that goes into a Triathlete is on the decline.  In addition to the Dave Scott and me article, it seems that most of the other articles were based on press releases or otherwise submitted by the person trying to sell the item or service that was the subject of the article.  That’s a pretty cheap (quality and money-wise) to produce a magazine.  Maybe I’m naive, but I would hope that magazines that I pay for research their own articles; magazines that rely on press releases I can usually get for free. Just my $.02. Jeff Mazer

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: Perhaps JJ or Baringo will tell me if there is a word in journalism : vocabulary that would describe the language used in the article about : Dave Scott that appears in this month’s Triathlete. It is : multi-colored, but not informative.  It seems to be a common style of : writing in glossy mags and tabloids.  There should be a word for it, : but I don’t know what it would be.  JJ?  Baringo? : Kazez Amazing.  How many times did the author write "I" in that article.  I’ve never seen that in a national publication before. Eric

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