Flipping through an old issue of runner’s world, I came across an advertisement and it shows people dashing out of the water and getting ready to hop on their bikes…the caption says "Can’t do you something the easy way for once?". My question is, how in the world do people change into their clothes/shoes fast enough, eat food, and still not lose that much ground? I’ve always been very curious about triathelons…
One reason they don’t lose much ground is that all their competitors have to do the same thing. For the couple of tri’s I’ve done, preparation is the key. Have the shoes ready — some use those plastic thingies that slide along the laces so they don’t have to tie them; others use Velcro or some such. Peel as much swim gear off as possible while running to the transition area. And so on. Tri’s are fun. Try one sometime. It’s not my specialty, but it’s a fun change of pace. — Brian P. Baresch Lawrence, Kansas, USA Professional editing and proofreading
Flipping through an old issue of runner’s world, I came across an advertisement and it shows people dashing out of the water and getting ready to hop on their bikes…the caption says "Can’t do you something the easy way for once?". My question is, how in the world do people change into their clothes/shoes fast enough, eat food, and still not lose that much ground? I’ve always been very curious about triathelons… Thanks in advance! Cathy! whateva4eva ** "I heard the best way to regenerate body heat is to crawl naked into a sleeping bag with someone whos already naked." "Maybe if it rains sleeping bags you’ll get lucky." Remove egetme!
First, it is triathlon. Second, whether or not one changes clothes depends on numerous factors: how long the ride is how comfortable the person wants to be how competitive the person is what the person swims in weather conditions In terms of putting shoes on, most people who are not "competing" will sit down and put on the cycling shoes. Competitive racers will have the shoes clipped to the pedals (assuming they use cycling shoes). Third, eating depends on several factors If the race is short, nothing needs to be eaten (maybe a gel) If the race is longer, you eat on the bike while riding At the elite level, athletes actually practice their transitions.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Flipping through an old issue of runner’s world, I came across an advertisement and it shows people dashing out of the water and getting ready to hop on their bikes…the caption says "Can’t do you something the easy way for once?". My question is, how in the world do people change into their clothes/shoes fast enough, eat food, and still not lose that much ground? I’ve always been very curious about triathelons… Thanks in advance! Cathy! whateva4eva ** "I heard the best way to regenerate body heat is to crawl naked into a sleeping bag with someone whos already naked." "Maybe if it rains sleeping bags you’ll get lucky." Remove egetme!
Hello, I am looking for a 54-55cm time trial/triathlon bike. I am looking for newer models with very low mileage on them. Thank you, Joe Braun
Joe, Give me an idea of what you are looking for and $ amount. I have some new bikes on sale and a good amount of used bikes. Steve’s Multisport 1.610.631.7822 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello, I am looking for a 54-55cm time trial/triathlon bike. I am looking for newer models with very low mileage on them. Thank you, Joe Braun
sir, i have a 1997 qr tequilo,55cm. if interested email me @ (both sets of wheels) Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
Check this out, a race in the Bahamas http://www.racedates.com/racedet.php3?raceid=1000697&eventid=1001033 — Wayne P. Langan TEL 973.386.2964 Applications Engineer Lucent Technologies FAX 973.386.6503 http://blda.web.lucent.com/~wpl (Inside Lucent Only)
There is also the Grand Bahama Conchman (www.conchman.com). It was held on Nov. 6th last year – 1 K swim, 25 K bike and 5 K run. I have done the St. Croix race if you have any questions. Before you buy.
has anyone any info. on triathlons held in the Caribbean? no, but we’d love to come visit if you find one 
actually, I know of a couple, there is the Beauty and the Beast in St. Criox beginning of May or end of April, and the other one I have heard about is on Grand Cayman during Pirates Week the end of October. Mike Plumb
Isn’t there also one in Negril? There used to be …no idea of when the date is. Matt
Dear Dr.Mary Sloper, Here is some info on the triathlon someone already told You about called "Beauty and The Beast", It’s also known as The St Croix International Triathlon: Sunday May 7, 2000 Christiansted, U.S. Virgin Islands: St Croix International Triathlon Long Course: Swim 1.24 mile, Bike 34 miles, Run 7.4 miles Sprint: Swim 750 meters, Bike 12.4 miles, Run 3.1 miles Start Time: 7:00 A.M. Location: Christiansted Harbor Phone: (340) 773-4470 The url is: http://www.stcroixtriathlon.com/ There is also a tri in the Bahamas put on by Exclusive Sports Marketing, Scheduled for September 3rd. The last I looked They hadn’t updated their web site for this Year except for the Dates, so I don’t have the distances, but it will be a Sprint Triathlon. ABACO, BAHAMAS : Publix Family weekend MINI-TRI (Tentative) Swim: ? mile, Bike: ? miles , Run: ? miles Phone: 561-241-3801 ext. 102, or 1- 888-ESM-SPORTS (I’m not sure if their 1-888 # will work from Jamaica) (Abaco is in the Bahamas, off the southeast coast of Florida) If You consider Key Largo, Or Key Biscayne to be the Caribbean, You can find more races at: http://triathalator.hypermart.net/fl.html Good Luck, Steve Adams Looking for a Triathlon? http://www.triathalator.com
I,m a Jamaican triathlete, I’m just trying out the newsgroup feature on Microsoft outlook. Not sure how it works, but I imagine this message goes onto a chat board for anyone to answer who feels like it.? has anyone any info. on triathlons held in the Caribbean?
has anyone any info. on triathlons held in the Caribbean?
no, but we’d love to come visit if you find one actually, I know of a couple, there is the Beauty and the Beast in St. Criox beginning of May or end of April, and the other one I have heard about is on Grand Cayman during Pirates Week the end of October. Mike Plumb
Yep, have had the same problem off & for several years. The doctor suggestde it was tendinitis of the hip rotators. The only thing I found that helped was deep tissue massage, icing after running and heating in the morning/at night before bed. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While building up mileage this spring I’ve developed a nagging pain high up on the back side of my right thigh (or low in my right buttocks – just below the tail bone). I can’t pinpoint any particular training run or race where it happened – it just sort of appeared. A physical therapist I know suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion. It doesn’t really hurt during training runs/rides but I notice it a lot just sitting (in the car, on an airplane, at my desk). It is noticeable during speed work, however, and I find that I have to stretch a little longer than usual. This same thing happened on the left side at the end of 1997 (after the Hood to Coast relay) and the dull pain lasted through the winter of ‘97 and all of last season (a real pain in the b___). It didn’t really limit my training or racing though, so I didn’t seek treatment. It finally just went away on its own after nagging me for almost a year. But now it’s happening on the right side and is a little more intense. The therapist suggested deep tissue massage, aggressive icing and, of course, thorough stretching and limited mileage until it’s healed. Sound familiar to anyone? What about the treatment – is the massage therapy effective (I’ve never had it before)? And what is the "Hamstring Insertion" anyway? I think I still have time to get this thing healed and prepare for the 1/2 Vineman but only if there are no more setbacks in training! Thanks, …… David
treatment suggested is what I would also recommend….especially the deep massage. As a PT, I have had varying degrees of success with this injury.
suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion. It doesn’t really hurt during training runs/rides but I notice it a lot just sitting (in the car, on an airplane, at my desk). It is noticeable during speed work, however, and I find that I have to stretch a little longer than
usual. What worked for me was doing calf stretches. When I felt the ache start up, I would do a couple minutes of gentle calf stretches and the pain would stop. It’s worth a try anyway. I love miracle cures. (Let me tell you about my latest one!) Thea
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While building up mileage this spring I’ve developed a nagging pain high up on the back side of my right thigh (or low in my right buttocks – just below the tail bone). I can’t pinpoint any particular training run or race where it happened – it just sort of appeared. A physical therapist I know suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion. It doesn’t really hurt during training runs/rides but I notice it a lot just sitting (in the car, on an airplane, at my desk). It is noticeable during speed work, however, and I find that I have to stretch a little longer than usual. This same thing happened on the left side at the end of 1997 (after the Hood to Coast relay) and the dull pain lasted through the winter of ‘97 and all of last season (a real pain in the b___). It didn’t really limit my training or racing though, so I didn’t seek treatment. It finally just went away on its own after nagging me for almost a year. But now it’s happening on the right side and is a little more intense. The therapist suggested deep tissue massage, aggressive icing and, of course, thorough stretching and limited mileage until it’s healed. Sound familiar to anyone? What about the treatment – is the massage therapy effective (I’ve never had it before)? And what is the "Hamstring Insertion" anyway? I think I still have time to get this thing healed and prepare for the 1/2 Vineman but only if there are no more setbacks in training! Thanks, …… David
I would be careful. While it is anathama to suggest this to a triathlete, rest, at least initially, is the best answer. You’ll PROBABLY be okay if you don’t rest, and PROBABLY won’t get worse, and you’ll PROBABLY feel better with ice and massage, but… you could also worsen the injury, leading to scarring and chronic problems. It does sound as if there is a problem in the hamstrings origin. In re-reading your post, there may already be some scarring present. In training at moderate pace (and even racing, usually), there isn’t enough force exerted by the quadriceps to cause a full-blown "hamstring pull," such as seen in sprinters. (The quads are antagonistic muscles to the hamstrings) That may be why you don’t experience pain, except with speedwork. Best advice: 1. Rest, ice, even non-steroidal anti-inflammatories; 2. Stretching (perhaps with physical therapy), massage, gradual return to your training when pain has resolved. As for Vineman: it will probably be around next year. Good luck! Richard Ling
Thanks to everyone who replied with a story or recommendation. I’ll try to follow all the good advice (ice, massage, anti-inflamatories and stretching will be easy, rest will be tough!). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – While building up mileage this spring I’ve developed a nagging pain high up on the back side of my right thigh (or low in my right buttocks – just below the tail bone). I can’t pinpoint any particular training run or race where it happened – it just sort of appeared. A physical therapist I know suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion. It doesn’t really hurt during training runs/rides but I notice it a lot just sitting (in the car, on an airplane, at my desk). It is noticeable during speed work, however, and I find that I have to stretch a little longer than usual. This same thing happened on the left side at the end of 1997 (after the Hood to Coast relay) and the dull pain lasted through the winter of ‘97 and all of last season (a real pain in the b___). It didn’t really limit my training or racing though, so I didn’t seek treatment. It finally just went away on its own after nagging me for almost a year. But now it’s happening on the right side and is a little more intense. The therapist suggested deep tissue massage, aggressive icing and, of course, thorough stretching and limited mileage until it’s healed. Sound familiar to anyone? What about the treatment – is the massage therapy effective (I’ve never had it before)? And what is the "Hamstring Insertion" anyway? I think I still have time to get this thing healed and prepare for the 1/2 Vineman but only if there are no more setbacks in training! Thanks, …… David
While building up mileage this spring I’ve developed a nagging pain high up on the back side of my right thigh (or low in my right buttocks – just below the tail bone). I can’t pinpoint any particular training run or race where it happened – it just sort of appeared. A physical therapist I know suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion. It doesn’t really hurt during training runs/rides but I notice it a lot just sitting (in the car, on an airplane, at my desk). It is noticeable during speed work, however, and I find that I have to stretch a little longer than usual. This same thing happened on the left side at the end of 1997 (after the Hood to Coast relay) and the dull pain lasted through the winter of ‘97 and all of last season (a real pain in the b___). It didn’t really limit my training or racing though, so I didn’t seek treatment. It finally just went away on its own after nagging me for almost a year. But now it’s happening on the right side and is a little more intense. The therapist suggested deep tissue massage, aggressive icing and, of course, thorough stretching and limited mileage until it’s healed. Sound familiar to anyone? What about the treatment – is the massage therapy effective (I’ve never had it before)? And what is the "Hamstring Insertion" anyway? I think I still have time to get this thing healed and prepare for the 1/2 Vineman but only if there are no more setbacks in training! Thanks, …… David
While building up mileage this spring I’ve developed a nagging pain high up on the back side of my right thigh (or low in my right buttocks – just below the tail bone). I can’t pinpoint any particular training run or race where it happened – it just sort of appeared. A physical therapist I know suggested it might be a micro-tear of the Hamstring insertion.
The hamstring muscle is actually a group of four muscles. Biceps Femoris, Semitendinosus, Semimembranosus, and Satorius. The only problem is ….the insertions are no where near the pain. The ORIGINS are. Biceps Femoris, Semitendinosus and Semimembranosus all have their origins at the Ischial Tuberosity (sit bones). The therapist suggested deep tissue massage, aggressive icing and, of course, thorough stretching and limited mileage until it’s healed. Sound familiar to anyone? What about the treatment – is the massage therapy effective (I’ve never had it before)?
I am going to school for Massage therapy right now ….and YES ..it is very beneficial. I get free massages and I take advantage of them once a week. I feel it helps me recover from a hard workout very quickly and definitely keeps me loose. Matt
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I think that for the layperson, one can use tire and wheel interchangeably and this is where the confusion came from. Cheers, Walter R. Strapps – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just saw IMH98 for the first time on Sunday. Am I going blind, or the announcers stupid with respect to Jurgen Zack on his bike leg. When he flated the announcers said several times he didn’t have a replacement for his tire on the bike and Jurgen pedaled slowly waiting for the support wagon. Darn if I didn’t appear to see on the back of his seat several times a folded up tubular tire or did I????? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Jurgen sustained rim damage when he flated, that is why he continued to ride until a replacement wheel showed up. They say it might have been his best Ironman finish ever, I’d have to agree, he may have lost the race, but he proved to the world that he has a lot of heart, and a great attitude towards the race. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just saw IMH98 for the first time on Sunday. Am I going blind, or the announcers stupid with respect to Jurgen Zack on his bike leg. When he flated the announcers said several times he didn’t have a replacement for his tire on the bike and Jurgen pedaled slowly waiting for the support wagon. Darn if I didn’t appear to see on the back of his seat several times a folded up tubular tire or did I????? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
Hey, you will see a picture of me on this near the end. I’m leaning against a coconut tree next to Missy La Strange wearing a yellow winners shirt. Check it out. Pretty cool but don’t blink. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IMH 98 is scheduled to be rebroadcast at 2 ET on nbc, Sunday 7/25. it’ the two hour anniversary show. todd sandiego
IMH 98 is scheduled to be rebroadcast at 2 ET on nbc, Sunday 7/25. it’ the two hour anniversary show. todd sandiego
Yeah, thanks to you posting this and coach Troy tapering me for Ironman, I had the time to spend half of the afternoon sobbing in front of my TV. Was a damned good prep for IMUSA in a few weeks though. That swim start looks exactly like my worst nightmare. Schwing
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – IMH 98 is scheduled to be rebroadcast at 2 ET on nbc, Sunday 7/25. it’ the two hour anniversary show. todd sandiego
Just saw IMH98 for the first time on Sunday. Am I going blind, or the announcers stupid with respect to Jurgen Zack on his bike leg. When he flated the announcers said several times he didn’t have a replacement for his tire on the bike and Jurgen pedaled slowly waiting for the support wagon. Darn if I didn’t appear to see on the back of his seat several times a folded up tubular tire or did I????? Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
I seem to recall NBC plans to air IMH on Dec 15th. Is this correct? Gotta send out invitations. Eric Averill
Dec 20th. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I seem to recall NBC plans to air IMH on Dec 15th. Is this correct? Gotta send out invitations. Eric Averill
I heard it was 20 Dec at 4-6pm EST. Jeanette Howard
what is IMH?
what is IMH?
IronMan Hawaii Kevin Medlin
Ironman Hawaii–The Ironman World Triathlon Championship. what is IMH?
Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.
Ironman Hawaii–The Ironman World Triathlon Championship. what is IMH? Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest.
Rick, I’m not sure if you are allowed to use "World Championship" in any way, shape or form. THe ITU will be sendings its goons after you.
In article s.net I’m not sure if you are allowed to use "World Championship" in any way, shape or form. THe ITU will be sendings its goons after you.
Yes, you may. The evil word du jour is t…….n. So this year the official name is Hawaii Ironman World Championship, but we may not confess of what sport it is a championship. Ruth Kazez
Ironman Hawaii–The Ironman World Triathlon Championship. what is IMH? Rick Denney Take what you want and leave the rest. Rick, I’m not sure if you are allowed to use "World Championship" in any way, shape or form. THe ITU will be sendings its goons after you.
It’ll be interesting to see whether NBC comments on the legal pig-wrestle that’s going on. Interestingly, I read the full text of the suit a few weeks ago…they (WTC) continually refer to ITU as "ITU Cartel." he-he-he!! Augie Calabrese
In article s.net I’m not sure if you are allowed to use "World Championship" in any way, shape or form. THe ITU will be sendings its goons after you. Yes, you may. The evil word du jour is t…….n. So this year the official name is Hawaii Ironman World Championship, but we may not confess of what sport it is a championship. Ruth Kazez
I believe the problem arises when using both words together…Ironman Triathlon World Championship. They were given the choice of Ironman Triathlon Championship or Ironman World Championship. ITU even refuses to refer to them as World Triathlon Corporation, instead calling them "the Ironman Corporation". Let the lawyers sort this mess out. It’s all pretty stupid on the ITU’s part if you ask me. I’d like to see some proof that the IOC actually insisted on this kind of nonsense to insure inclusion in the Olympics. Cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody Miami
: : : : I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four : long runs of : 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September. < stuff snipped : :However, I am a triathlete and do lots of biking. : The cycling may not :necessarily improve your running speed, but I think it does : provide :some benefit by training your body to efficently burn fat during a long :workout and it also increases your leg strength. : Lucy Lucy – I believe you have made good points re: cycling. Many better runners that I know also cycle. Moreover, cycling helps with developing and increasing leg speed (turnover) and has obvious aerobic benefits as well. The leg speed from cycling doesn’t help turnover for faster than 5 min miles, but 5 minute/mile marathons are out of most peoples class anyway. The reason for the 5:00 mile ceiling is because most people will max out on the bike about that pace. If someone can spin their legs faster than that good for them. Dave
says… If it is simply the prospect of a very long training run that is daunting, you could try mental tricks like breaking the run down into sections, so you treat it as a sequence of smaller goals rather than one giant goal.
Of course, there are those who would say that the mental toughness is one of the benefits of DOING long runs. Me, I do almost all of my runs alone – no steenkin’ radio, no distractions. But then, I’m like Larry, and I run marathons because they give me an excuse to run for 3+ hours every Sunday morning. "Gotta go, Hon. Twin Cities is coming up. I’ll meet you at church." jim p. — Sunquest Information Systems Tucson, AZ voice 520-733-6412 fax 520-733-6602 "Dear Jim, Don’t worry. I have everything under control. Love, God "
Hi Pete Depending on what other running you are doing during the week, I do believe you will run a sub 3h30. The reason – I have exactly the same marathon and half marathon times and are doing very similar long runs in my training for a sub 3h30 in Berlin. Michael
The exception I can think of is to gain cross-training in an equally glycogen draining experience. I hit the wall on long hikes and bike rides too. No, no, no… Riding a bike for several hours will do nothing to prepare you as a runner. There will be some cardiovascular effect and improvement and some relief from the pounding, but training is sport specific. To become a better runner, one must run. I bet that I can out run any of the Tour de France riders in a marathon.
Well, I’ve never ridden the Tour de France, but I have done many of the bigger stage races in North America. I retired from cycling in 1993 and decided that, while I was still in shape, I would run a marathon. I’d run a 5K in 16:48, so I figured that I’d just run an "easy" 8-min pace and wind up at 3:30. In retrospect it all seems rather humorous, but at the time it seemed very doable. Of course I completely died at 18 miles (which I reached pretty much on schedule.) Mile 23 was the worst — took 14 minutes. I finished, but with a new found respect for distance running. Since then I’ve run well under 3:30 and hope to run a 3:10 this fall to qualify for Boston. Interestingly, my overall fitness is nowhere near where it used to be (the 16:48 is a dim memory.) The difference has been the long runs. I’m sure that there are people out there who can run sub 3:00 marathons without doing many long runs. I would argue that those folks could run a good deal faster if they did the milage. I could go out today and ride 100 miles in under five hours, which many would consider fast. But it won’t win you too many races. A 3:00 marathon is no proof of a sound training plan. How many 2:15 marathoners don’t do long runs on a regular basis? Just an aside: Greg Lemond, who’s talents as a cyclist I certainly respect, once said that riding the Tour de France was like running a marathon every day for 26 days. He’s full of crap. He’s never done one. Eric Buckley Comsys Millenium Services eMail: remove NoSpam from above Standard disclaimer – I speak for myself and nobody else.
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four long runs of 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September. I hate to burst your bubble, but I will be shocked(!) if only 4 runs of 12 miles or greater will do it for you in terms of marathon training. Maybe maybe maybe you could get away with only one run of 20 miles or more, but my bet is that you would have to do a large number greater than 12-13 miles, like every week for 12-16 weeks! Remember you are running 26 miles, which is twice as far as 13 miles! It is daunting! Respect the distance. I will be absolutely flabbergasted and shocked if you can run a 3:30 marathon with only these 4 long runs! Matthew
IMHO the need for long runs depends on what your goals are, your fitness level, and what if any cross-training that you are doing. I ran my first marathon last year with long runs (1 each) of 13 miles, 14 miles and 16 miles. I finished the marathon comfortably, albeit slow, but I also felt good enough to go hiking and mountain biking the next day. However, I am a triathlete and do lots of biking. The cycling may not necessarily improve your running speed, but I think it does provide some benefit by training your body to efficently burn fat during a long workout and it also increases your leg strength. I have a friend to has qualified for and run Boston 6 or more times and has also qualified for and completed in the Hawaiian Ironman 3 times. She has never run over 35 miles per week. Point being that I believe that often too much is made of the made for doing mega mileage, particularly if a persons only goal is to complete their first marathon. When it comes to marathon training IMHO quality can be as important as quantity. Lucy
I saw another thread on this group how someone didnt run more than 12 miles for their long run, and used a daily run of 10 miles as their training base. The argument being that the "wall" will arrive around 3X your average daily distance. From my recollection they were running 2:50 marathons too. –mikeb – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four long runs of 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September. I hate to burst your bubble, but I will be shocked(!) if only 4 runs of 12 miles or greater will do it for you in terms of marathon training. Maybe maybe maybe you could get away with only one run of 20 miles or more, but my bet is that you would have to do a large number greater than 12-13 miles, like every week for 12-16 weeks! Remember you are running 26 miles, which is twice as far as 13 miles! It is daunting! Respect the distance. Whoa! Slow down! I’m obviously doing other running during the week and not simply these long runs. But his whole theory is based around doing occasional long runs rather than many high-mileage weeks. It maybe won’t work, I’ll find out at the end of September. Bear in mind, my goal is sub-3h30, I’m not out to win it. And as I said in the original posting, I can do a half-marathon in 1h33, so I have the speed. I will be absolutely flabbergasted and shocked if you can run a 3:30 marathon with only these 4 long runs! Matthew, you may be right, but let me tell you this. I have done 3 marathons, and my time for the last two was 3h37. Before my second marathon (Berlin 96) I didn’t do a _single_ run longer than one hour. Before my third (Boston 97) my longest training run was 30k (18.6mile). In other words, my current schedule will have me doing many more long runs in preparation for my next marathon. It is conceivable that I’ll never beat 3h37 without a huge increase in the number of long runs I do, but I’m willing to try this time with JH’s plan. If after 3 hours the legs start cramping up again then I’ll know I need to review my marathon training. The whole point of my original posting was to establish whether there was an alternative way of increasing endurance other than doing more and longer runs. I suspect there isn’t but I’m open to suggestions. Thanks for your input, Matthew. Pete
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Put in the distance. Get some friends you like talking to for a few hours at a time. Get a good radio. Take more water than you need. Take a look at Galloway’s book, which sets workouts for target times. By the way, if you don’t like running long, why did you choose the Marathon? Seems like you’re doing very well at 1/2 marathon distances, which are easier to recover from quickly, and less demanding of your training time. I can’t speak for others, but I ended up doing marathons because I LIKED long runs. writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hello fellow-runners, In my quest to break the 3:30 barrier in a marathon it has become painfully clear to me that I have to build up my endurance. I am able to run a half-marathon in 1:35 or less, but in my last two marathons (Berlin ‘96, Boston ‘97) I have been ‘on-target’ at the 3 hour mark (ie 36k completed) when all of a sudden leg cramps have attacked and I have had to struggle to finish in 3:37. All the literature suggests that one has to train one’s body to ‘run long’. Although I love competing in marathons, the thought of going out on a long run of anything longer than 2 hours appals me. (In fact I have _never_ run for 2 hours except in marathons or other long races.) Whilst I am prepared to try to learn to love ‘running long’ in order to achieve my initial goal of sub-3:30, is there anything else I could do that would help?? Or is there really no alternative to getting out onto the road/trails for 3 hours (or more)? All help/comments/advice/criticism/flames gratefully received. Pete
The exception I can think of is to gain cross-training in an equally glycogen draining experience. I hit the wall on long hikes and bike rides too.
Put in the distance. Get some friends you like talking to for a few hours at a time. Get a good radio. Take more water than you need.
Good response. Will try the radio suggestion. Take a look at Galloway’s book, which sets workouts for target times.
I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four long runs of 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September. For future reference could you (or anyone) give me the full title etc. of the Galloway book please? By the way, if you don’t like running long, why did you choose the Marathon? Seems like you’re doing very well at 1/2 marathon distances, which are easier to recover from quickly, and less demanding of your training time. I can’t speak for others, but I ended up doing marathons because I LIKED long runs.
I LIKE marathons, I simply haven’t learned (yet) to like long runs. But, if that’s the only way to build endurance (and I suspect it is, although that’s why I posted the question) then I’ll put in the long runs. Thanks for the reply, Larry. Pete
I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four long runs of 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September.
I hate to burst your bubble, but I will be shocked(!) if only 4 runs of 12 miles or greater will do it for you in terms of marathon training. Maybe maybe maybe you could get away with only one run of 20 miles or more, but my bet is that you would have to do a large number greater than 12-13 miles, like every week for 12-16 weeks! Remember you are running 26 miles, which is twice as far as 13 miles! It is daunting! Respect the distance. I will be absolutely flabbergasted and shocked if you can run a 3:30 marathon with only these 4 long runs! Matthew
The exception I can think of is to gain cross-training in an equally glycogen draining experience. I hit the wall on long hikes and bike rides too.
No, no, no… Riding a bike for several hours will do nothing to prepare you as a runner. There will be some cardiovascular effect and improvement and some relief from the pounding, but training is sport specific. To become a better runner, one must run. I bet that I can out run any of the Tour de France riders in a marathon. If you hit the wall, you need to be consuming carbs while you ride especially in the earlier stages of the ride or run (those in excess of an hour).
I’m following Joe Henderson’s plan which means I will be running four long runs of 12+, 15+, 18+ & 21+ between now and early September. I hate to burst your bubble, but I will be shocked(!) if only 4 runs of 12 miles or greater will do it for you in terms of marathon training. Maybe maybe maybe you could get away with only one run of 20 miles or more, but my bet is that you would have to do a large number greater than 12-13 miles, like every week for 12-16 weeks! Remember you are running 26 miles, which is twice as far as 13 miles! It is daunting! Respect the distance.
Whoa! Slow down! I’m obviously doing other running during the week and not simply these long runs. But his whole theory is based around doing occasional long runs rather than many high-mileage weeks. It maybe won’t work, I’ll find out at the end of September. Bear in mind, my goal is sub-3h30, I’m not out to win it. And as I said in the original posting, I can do a half-marathon in 1h33, so I have the speed. I will be absolutely flabbergasted and shocked if you can run a 3:30 marathon with only these 4 long runs!
Matthew, you may be right, but let me tell you this. I have done 3 marathons, and my time for the last two was 3h37. Before my second marathon (Berlin 96) I didn’t do a _single_ run longer than one hour. Before my third (Boston 97) my longest training run was 30k (18.6mile). In other words, my current schedule will have me doing many more long runs in preparation for my next marathon. It is conceivable that I’ll never beat 3h37 without a huge increase in the number of long runs I do, but I’m willing to try this time with JH’s plan. If after 3 hours the legs start cramping up again then I’ll know I need to review my marathon training. The whole point of my original posting was to establish whether there was an alternative way of increasing endurance other than doing more and longer runs. I suspect there isn’t but I’m open to suggestions. Thanks for your input, Matthew. Pete
: Whilst I am prepared to try to learn to love ‘running long’ in order to : achieve my initial goal of sub-3:30, is there anything else I could do : that would help?? Has to be done, I think. What is causing your aversion? Is it the length of time, or the prospect of continuous running? If the latter, then you could try building up to 3 hours using a run/walk mixture. Try something like 7 min running, 3 min walking for 1.5 hours, adding 20 minutes to the length of the run with each successive week. Once you’ve got to 2.5 hours, try going back to 1.5 hours but this time do 8 min running, 2 min walking. If it is simply the prospect of a very long training run that is daunting, you could try mental tricks like breaking the run down into sections, so you treat it as a sequence of smaller goals rather than one giant goal. Running with somebody else could help, although not everyone has the opportunity to do this. Nick
Hello fellow-runners, In my quest to break the 3:30 barrier in a marathon it has become painfully clear to me that I have to build up my endurance. I am able to run a half-marathon in 1:35 or less, but in my last two marathons (Berlin ‘96, Boston ‘97) I have been ‘on-target’ at the 3 hour mark (ie 36k completed) when all of a sudden leg cramps have attacked and I have had to struggle to finish in 3:37. All the literature suggests that one has to train one’s body to ‘run long’. Although I love competing in marathons, the thought of going out on a long run of anything longer than 2 hours appals me. (In fact I have _never_ run for 2 hours except in marathons or other long races.) Whilst I am prepared to try to learn to love ‘running long’ in order to achieve my initial goal of sub-3:30, is there anything else I could do that would help?? Or is there really no alternative to getting out onto the road/trails for 3 hours (or more)? All help/comments/advice/criticism/flames gratefully received. Pete
PNF is undeniably the best Ironwomen in my opinion and an athlete from whom I have learned alot. I think I learned the most in a post-IMH victory interview when she mentioned "It all came down to crisis management out there." I was glad to hear that she was OK following her difficulties at Hawaii. I am also glad to see that she exercised such good judgement about her own well-being. -Rolf
Hear, hear! PNF is one class act. No excuses, no complaints, just does her job and does her best; when she wins, she is gracious, when she doesn’t win, she is gracious. I think this fourth place finish is no less impressive than her seven first place finishes at Hawaii. What guts! Not to mention what good sense; no race is worth killing yourself for. Of course, Karen’s win this year was no small feat; she had Paula literally running scared. I admire and respect both ladies. There’s just something that particularly touches me about Paula’s race since it is her last appearance at Kona. No matter who may come after, I will always think of PNF as The First Lady of Triathlon and The Queen of Kona! TriBaby (who thinks Paula is simply the BEST) _ – o ’ – __o – </_ ` ‘ – < – __/ /o_ – (()) (()) - /
PNF is undeniably the best Ironwomen in my opinion and
Whoops! Ironwoman, that is… an athlete from whom I have learned alot. I think I learned the most in a post-IMH victory interview when she mentioned "It all came down to crisis management out there."
-Rolf — Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. | |
PNF is undeniably the best Ironwomen in my opinion and an athlete from whom I have learned alot. I think I learned the most in a post-IMH victory interview when she mentioned "It all came down to crisis management out there." I was glad to hear that she was OK following her difficulties at Hawaii. I am also glad to see that she exercised such good judgement about her own well-being. -Rolf — Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. | |
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Does anyone know of a Windows software program for keeping training race records? I seem to remember there use to be something called the Jim Fixx Runner’s Diary. thanks, Hugh Weisman
Does anyone know of a Windows software program for keeping training race records? I seem to remember there use to be something called the Jim Fixx Runner’s Diary.
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Hi all, a question from a newbie. I’m a long time kayaker, runner and cycler (okay, the cycling is the most recent part but I’ve been runnig and kayaking for 12 years now) and I was wondering if I could mix these three sports together in some sort of kayak triathlon (ie. paddling instead of swimming). Since I am inexperienced with triathlon training, perhaps someone overhere can tell me how to train for a 1/4 kayak triathlon (I’ll start with something small first)? I know how to run, paddle & cycle but since I’ve always used running and cycling as a means to stay in shape, I don’t know how to balance the sports to get a good triathlon training. Any suggestions or perhaps even some training schemes would be very useful. Thanx, Mike – Been dazed and confused, ’cause my licks weren’t that true. Wanted half a note, never bargained for two. Lots of people fakin’, few of them know, tab for the music’s given below…… Guitar Player Magazine March 1991 050 – 731966
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Funny you should ask. There are quite a few local triathlons here in upstate NY where a 4 mile canoe leg is substituted for a swim and I know of one that allows a kayak. I thought this was unique to this area but what do I know. The run is usually a 10k and the bike 20-27 miles. I don’t know about others but the heart of my training during the summer and fall is still my run. On run recovery days (twice a week or so) I bike. I fit two canoe days in a week where-ever. Its alot of fun. Good luck.
The Sea-to-Summit triathlon in New Hampshire (August) is an 8 mile kayak, 103 mile bike and 8 mile running (ascent of Mt. Washington) affair. RNman