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Not always limited to "smaller venues". Some "known" venues can be skewed as well. Does the ITU Worlds ring a bell? Or how about a 2.4 nautical mile swim at IM Cal? B.Oliver – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -My biggest problem with smaller venues is course accuracy.  I’ve entered a number of races, both running and triathlon, where the distances were NOT what was advertised.  I get pissed about this because I’m usually trying to benchmark times, and get a fix on my progress in smaller events.  The worst offender on the west coast is "On Your Mark Events."  I did a 10k in Pleasanton, and the Bethel Island Tri hosted by this group last year.  In both cases the distances were completely fouled up.  For this reason, I am staying away from smaller venues this year and racing known events.  That’s not to say I wouldn’t support a new event….but the reputation of the company putting it on is important to me

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Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons.  What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only.

I have a hard time entering sprints with an admission charge of $75, esp if it’s a dual Oly/Sprint combo, because the sprint tends to get the short end of the stick.  I do pay nearly as much for the Sandman, a super sprint, but it’s an institution, not a new event.  It’s ~58.   The company associated with the event is one clue, but the bottom line is: is this an interesting course?  3 of the 4 I did for my first year were landmarks: the Alcatraz swim, the kelp crawl at Pacific Grove, and the sand run at Sandman in Santa Cruz.  The Tri For Fun was just a swamp with a bike in suburbia – it was a training race and a way to get some friends in. I certainly wouldn’t go out of my way for one of those, unless it was cheap, like under $40 cheap.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Which one has the coolest t-shirts and name.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons. What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only. I have a hard time entering sprints with an admission charge of $75, esp if it’s a dual Oly/Sprint combo, because the sprint tends to get the short end of the stick.  I do pay nearly as much for the Sandman, a super sprint, but it’s an institution, not a new event.  It’s ~58. The company associated with the event is one clue, but the bottom line is: is this an interesting course?  3 of the 4 I did for my first year were landmarks: the Alcatraz swim, the kelp crawl at Pacific Grove, and the sand run at Sandman in Santa Cruz.  The Tri For Fun was just a swamp with a bike in suburbia – it was a training race and a way to get some friends in. I certainly wouldn’t go out of my way for one of those, unless it was cheap, like under $40 cheap. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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My biggest problem with smaller venues is course accuracy.  I’ve entered a number of races, both running and triathlon, where the distances were NOT what was advertised.  I get pissed about this because I’m usually trying to benchmark times, and get a fix on my

Course conditions aren’t even consistent from year to year, so I think it’s hard to put too much significance in one race to the next based on time.  An ocean current or surf can make a big difference.   progress in smaller events.  The worst offender on the west coast is "On Your Mark Events."  I did a 10k in Pleasanton, and the Bethel Island Tri hosted by this group last year.  In both cases the

I’ve have mixed experiences with on your mark as well.  Took 2 friends to a Tri for Fun as a ‘team’ thinking we had saved $10 to sign up together. Team apparently meant relay (for a sprint?), and we had to be rather forceful to get that switched (cost of $20 since she ‘didn’t have change’) — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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My biggest problem with smaller venues is course accuracy.  I’ve entered a number of races, both running and triathlon, where the distances were NOT what was advertised.  I get pissed about this because I’m usually trying to benchmark times, and get a fix on my progress in smaller events.  The worst offender on the west coast is "On Your Mark Events."  I did a 10k in Pleasanton, and the Bethel Island Tri hosted by this group last year.  In both cases the distances were completely fouled up.  For this reason, I am staying away from smaller venues this year and racing known events.  That’s not to say I wouldn’t support a new event….but the reputation of the company putting it on is important to me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Which one has the coolest t-shirts and name. But how would you know for a new event?

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The long and short of the question is "What would it take to get you to participate in a triathlon hosted for the first time?"

In descending order: (1) Any unique features of the event or venue, particularly the OW swim. Examples: Escape from Ft. Delaware had the only point-to-point swim I’d seen available in the Mid-Atlantic area (last year was the inaugural). This year Envirosports’s Wash DC tri features a swim from Key Bridge to the Watergate in the Potomac – a river not known for its swim events.  Triathlantic is also holding a new one further downstream (in Dalhgren VA). Two years back the inaugural Osprey sprint tri introduced the Chincoteague Bay as a great swim venue. (2) Reputation of RD. In our area, having Triathlantic or Lin-Mark involved is a good sign the event will be worthwhile, at least to a mid-pack finisher like myself. (3) Price/location.  I doubt I’d drive 4 hours and pay $100 for a sprint tri no matter how unique the venue. Cheers S. Austin

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Which one has the coolest t-shirts and name.

But how would you know for a new event? — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Good point!

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First time event with no expectations?   Cost. If the event is a higher dollar event (say $50 entry fee for Olympic distance) that requires overnight traveling, then the race organization, race director, or brand-name sponsor must have experience in organizing or sponsoring events.  Their resume should include past event organization (triathlon, running, and cycling) or sponsorship as a prerequisite for my "first-year" participation.  Otherwise, I’ll wait until next year to consider.  So if you expect me to pay entry fees equal to say a Team Magic or CFT Sports event, for an unknown event, then you better have an experienced race organization, race director, or sponsor in place to set my expectations. On the other hand.  If you want to have an unorganized event with no trophies, no awards, and no entry fees with a challenging course and great competition, then tell me when and where. — Rick Loggins

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons.  What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only. My view is that a sprint tri makes for a great training day if you are preparing for an Olympic or longer distance .  I also feel that entering these "first hosted" triathlons help the sport as a whole and will allow us to provide feedback that will make the event better the following year. The long and short of the question is "What would it take to get you to participate in a triathlon hosted for the first time?" — Bill Thomas 979-492-6737                                             o                          __o          </_                           <        __ /        /o__      (0)  (0)           /

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Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons.  What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only. My view is that a sprint tri makes for a great training day if you are preparing for an Olympic or longer distance .  I also feel that entering these "first hosted" triathlons help the sport as a whole and will allow us to provide feedback that will make the event better the following year. The long and short of the question is "What would it take to get you to participate in a triathlon hosted for the first time?" — Bill Thomas 979-492-6737                                             o                          __o          </_                           <        __ /        /o__      (0)  (0)           /

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I basically agree; go with the reputation of the RD.  The longer the distance, the more important the RD’s rep.  I think you can always expect some type of glitch for a new race or new course, etc., even with a seasoned RD.  A good RD understands this, and hopefully will avoid major safety problems and will be able to deal with the minor glitches effectively.  As long as your expectations are realistic, it should be a good race. If you want perfection, then go with a well established race with an excellent rep. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Interested in hearing the responses. I’d not think twice about doing it if it had the Ironman name on it, or the name of several other well respected race organizers on it – Bob Vigorito from Columbia/Eagleman comes to mind. Fred Somers, etc.. even for some of the less organized races – Brad Jaeger’s races are always fun for me even though they’re not USAT sanctioned. Basically, for the first time race it helps me make the decision if I know the RD or know of him or the organization putting on the race. Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons.  What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only. My view is that a sprint tri makes for a great training day if you are preparing for an Olympic or longer distance .  I also feel that entering these "first hosted" triathlons help the sport as a whole and will allow us to provide feedback that will make the event better the following year. The long and short of the question is "What would it take to get you to participate in a triathlon hosted for the first time?" — Bill Thomas 979-492-6737                                            o                         __o          </_                         <        __ /       /o__      (0)  (0)           /

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Interested in hearing the responses. I’d not think twice about doing it if it had the Ironman name on it, or the name of several other well respected race organizers on it – Bob Vigorito from Columbia/Eagleman comes to mind. Fred Somers, etc.. even for some of the less organized races – Brad Jaeger’s races are always fun for me even though they’re not USAT sanctioned. Basically, for the first time race it helps me make the decision if I know the RD or know of him or the organization putting on the race.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Looking for some insight on seasoned triathletes and new triathlons.  What would draw you to a new (first) triathlon venue that an organization was hosting?  The reason I ask is because I have heard several triathletes say they would not enter a tri because it is the first one that the location has hosted or that it is a sprint distance only. My view is that a sprint tri makes for a great training day if you are preparing for an Olympic or longer distance .  I also feel that entering these "first hosted" triathlons help the sport as a whole and will allow us to provide feedback that will make the event better the following year. The long and short of the question is "What would it take to get you to participate in a triathlon hosted for the first time?" — Bill Thomas 979-492-6737                                             o                          __o          </_                           <        __ /        /o__      (0)  (0)           /

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I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites.  

I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant  of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most* Of course you could *never* be wrong.

My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition.   Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites. I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most*

You suspect wrong.  The last Ironman broadcast (and most in the past) conisist of maybe 50/50 elite/human interest but probably closer to 35/65. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course you could *never* be wrong. My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition. Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

You also inferred crowds show up for the elites.  Well at the Gasparilla Distance Classic here in Tampa, the crowds have actually increased the last couple years since award money was discontinued.  Not even the overall winner gets $1, thus no elites show up.  And even still the crowds increase? I use to live in Chicago and both ran and attended the Chicago Marathon. People lining the course could careless about the elites.  If they cared so much, wouldn’t they all leave once the elites had passed by? Chris

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  CBC has the best coverage that can be seen in the US.  Even US sports channels (like ESPN) have really rotten coverage.  During Boston last year they showed the men’s and women’s leaders, and the top US male only when he happened to be in the lead pack.  I spent a great deal of time running with or near the lead AMerican women, but they were never televised (and only once did I even see a motorcycle come back and film them).  Seems like the American public would take at least as much interest as how our own best are doing as the foreign elite… Andy Hass

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The popularity of these events is linked to the human interest value they generate.

I agree to a certain extent when it comes to marathons and Iron Man competitions. OTOH, the networks have put so much emphasis on human interest stories in Olympics coverage over the years that it makes me want to throw up just to think about it. I want to watch the competitions. I could care less about the participants’ sob stories. — Robert

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You also inferred crowds show up for the elites. Well at the Gasparilla Distance Classic here in Tampa, the crowds have actually increased the last couple years since award money was discontinued. Not even the overall winner gets $1, thus no elites show up. And even still the crowds increase?

When I lived in Tampa,  I always wanted to run Gasparilla.  I haven’t even heard of it in the past few years.  I personally have no desire to run it now that the elite runners wouldn’t be there.  I’m more of a fan of the sport than a competitor.   The crowds that you mentioned aren’t fans of the elite sport of running. They are there to watch their friends run or take part in a fun activity.  I don’t see anything wrong with that, but that’s not what I want to see. I use to live in Chicago and both ran and attended the Chicago Marathon. People lining the course could careless about the elites. If they cared so much, wouldn’t they all leave once the elites had passed by?

That’s exactly what we did at Chicago.  We followed the elite runners for over 15 miles, catching them at different points.  I usually watch the Columbus marathon up to 3:00 hours and then leave.  If I were at the finish line of the New York or London Marathons, I would stay until the top 10 or so females finished.  I don’t like it when television coverage shows the top American runners, because they are waisting time that could be spent on the front runners.  I hate all of the human interest stories, even the ones on the elite runners.  I just want to watch the lead runner for 26.2 miles.     Troy

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Every year sports are covered. including Marathons.  haven’t  2 hours. I have trouble sometimes ridding a bike 26.2 miles in 2 hours. "unless lots of mosquitoes"

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I’ve never seen the Ironman television coverage, and am therefore ignorant  of the television focus. However, I suspect that a substantial amount of the coverage is dedicated to the ultimate winner(s) — possibly even *most*

It seemed to me that a majority of the Ironman coverage was on the elites and that was all I wanted to see.  I get sick of the human interest stories in the Olympics and at major competitions.  I love to see marathon finishes like the 1996 men’s Olympic finals where the top 3 men finished on the track at the same time.  The winner was in doubt for a long time and to me, that is a thrill. David Olsen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Of course you could *never* be wrong. My preference is a question of wrong or right??  I don’t follow you. (Example "I prefer diet Coke"  "You’re wrong!!")  What’s wrong? My preference? I simply, first, stated my preference (I prefer to watch the ones in competition to win.) and second, I noted that typical TV coverage focuses on those who win in the competition. Presumably, TV execs believe (correctly or incorrectly) that the viewing audience and Ad dollars prefer coverage of the winners to the coverage of the masses. Am I wrong on the last presumption? Jennifer

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The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

This statement makes no logical sense.  Advertisers buy ads based on what people watch.  if no one watches the show, it will not sell ads.  therfore, if they are selling ads, its because the ad people believe its what the viewers want to see. Bruce

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As I look up at some of the Ocean State back in the 1980’s and the Long Island Marathon run within a week of the Boston,the dedication to Marathoning has dropped just like the stock Markey. I could set a pace and if neccessary increase or decrease over the 26.2 miles. It’s not like the 5K or 10K where you HAVE to go out as fast as you can, sometimes to find yourself watching everyone from aside. Besides that there over in such a short time, and you really don’t have all the chances you might have in the Marathon to test and wear out your fellow runner. You trained hard but you got the thrill and the chance to test yourself, your training and your desire. Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. That tell’s you right there on the stage of USA running.

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable.

NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

Yep.  The whole thing was live in England. — Brian Wakem

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NBC showed 5 hours of coverage for the past two NYC Marathons.   It was just on the NBC New York Channel.   Troy

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I watched the 2001 NYC marathon on TV (here in Washington) and it was an hour which is not enough time to show both the leaders and the rest of the runners celebrating not only life but probably a highlight in their own lives.  Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. I forgot which world class marathoner said it but he (she) said (and I paraphrase) "If it wasn’t for the six hour plodders no one would care about the elite. People are interested in a 20,000 runner event. If it where just 20 of us racing through NYC to see who would win the crowds would be home".  I think there is a lot of truth in that. The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As I look up at some of the Ocean State back in the 1980’s and the Long Island Marathon run within a week of the Boston,the dedication to Marathoning has dropped just like the stock Markey. I could set a pace and if neccessary increase or decrease over the 26.2 miles. It’s not like the 5K or 10K where you HAVE to go out as fast as you can, sometimes to find yourself watching everyone from aside. Besides that there over in such a short time, and you really don’t have all the chances you might have in the Marathon to test and wear out your fellow runner. You trained hard but you got the thrill and the chance to test yourself, your training and your desire. Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. That tell’s you right there on the stage of USA running.

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. The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite.

ABC had zero minutes on the race.  It was NBC that had the minimal coverage.

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Sorry, but that really wasn’t my point. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – . The elite get the coverage because of the six hour plodders and unfortunately, ABC only has about 40 minutes to cover the race. It should be three times that with less time on the elite. ABC had zero minutes on the race.  It was NBC that had the minimal coverage.

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<< Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. Sad?  Similarly, tv covers NBA games, not pick-up games.  Major league not little league.  Concert pianists not school recitals.  They choose the people who excel not because of a moral judgement but rather a financial dicision: the viewing audience perfers it. << I forgot which world class marathoner said it but he (she) said (and I paraphrase) "If it wasn’t for the six hour plodders no one would care about the elite. I believe that whoever said it was clueless.  Crowds turn out for the Tour de France, for the Olympic qualifying races, for the Head of the Charles boating events, each of which feature only the top athletes of their event.  Why would a marathon featuring a national or world class field be different? Jennifer

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Heck, ABC doesn’t even carry the NYC anymore, you got to have cable. NBC carried "highlights" of it.  I don’t think you got anything more if you had cable (at least not in the US), there was better coverage on the foreign feeds.

The whole thing was live on New York TV – of course you had to be in NY or get NY tv on satellite. Bruce

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<< Needless to say most of the coverage was on the elite. I think that’s sad. Sad?  Similarly, tv covers NBA games, not pick-up games.  Major league not little league.  Concert pianists not school recitals.  They choose the people who excel not because of a moral judgement but rather a financial dicision: the viewing audience perfers it.

Probably true. But, the attraction of the public non-runners to an event like the NYC marathon is that it is a world class event in which the average guy or gal can be a part of. The man on the street wants to see the person who is just another average citizen running in the same event as the elites (even if they are 2 hours behind!). In other sports, like baseball, you are not going to see the Yankees invite people down from the stands to pinch-hit in the ninth inning against Nolan Ryan. The popularity of these events is linked to the human interest value they generate. After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time? Something else lures those thousands of people out onto the sidelines. The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

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[snip] After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time?

The Milrose Mile packs ‘em in at Madison Square Garden each year.   The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see.

I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – [snip] After all, do you think that most New Yorkers really give a rip about running as a sport the other 99.999% of the time? The Milrose Mile packs ‘em in at Madison Square Garden each year. The TV stations put on what they *think* will sell ads. It has nothing to do what the viewers want to see. I suppose, then, it’s just *my* personal preference and a few misguided TV execs who would choose to watch TV coverage of the top runners as opposed to hoards of back-of-pack.  Perhaps at the Super-Bowls we should have more panoramic views of the grandstands and less of the game. Jennifer

Funny how the Ironman Triathlon coverage spends *most* of it’s time on human interest stories, not the elites.  Of course you could *never* be wrong. Chris

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better question what beer do you like after running?

The closest wet one to the finish line. — Caveat Lector Doug Freese

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Some thing from the Succeed! line www.ultrafit-endurance.com better question what beer do you like after running?

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It tastes horrible. Much too sweet. Tried some on a triathlon this summer. Maybe I just mixed it too strong.

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It tastes horrible. Much too sweet. Tried some on a triathlon this summer. Maybe I just mixed it too strong.

You must have. I am not a fan of sweet stuff at all. I mix one scoop (the same as the single silver foil packet you probably tried for the triathlon) with about 500ml. It does not taste all that great, like I said (sweat and lemon juice), but it certainly is not even close to the saccharine-like sweetness of gatorade and powerade/allsport, etc., nor near as strong in flavour. Of course, everyone’s taste buds are unique! However, I sure don’t drink e-load for the flavour, I drink it because it prevents bonking best for me, personally. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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What do you drink? Do you use a commercially produced drink or do you make your own drink? taz.

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I tend to bring two water bottles with me…One I fill with tap water and the other I fill with Gatorade that I’ve mixed from the commercially produced powder. Sean Chester Vancouver Island, Canada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What do you drink? Do you use a commercially produced drink or do you make your own drink? taz.

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What do you drink? Do you use a commercially produced drink or do you make your own drink? taz.

e-load. Works like magic for me. No financial interest, but I AM proud of it being a Canadian product. It tastes like sweat with a little bit of lemon juice in it, but it works during the long ones. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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What do you drink?

I’ve been using Ultima for about a month. I also use Gu every half hour during long runs. I like the fact that both of these products contain almost no simple sugars, so I experience no energy ups and downs to speak of. — Robert — Robert Stevahn             | "The power of accurate obervation [this space for rent]      |  have not got it." — G B Shaw

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Does any know the date of the 2001 Muskoga Triathlon? Is it still an IM qualifier?

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Muskoka?? No date yet, but it looks like Trisport will have it posted before too long: http://www.trisportcanada.com/ Ray

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Muskoka Triathlon tentative date according to Subaru Triathlon Series is Jun16th and 17th.I think you could take that too the bank. —                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  /

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Is the web site up yet?  I can’t seem to find any information. If someone has an email or web address it would be greatly appreciated

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Terre Haute, Indiana Terre Haute Triathlon May 20 1K Swim 40K bike 8K run Wetsuits allowed – no drafting Fast and fun early season race. Limit 350 812-238-7311

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Is the web site up yet? I can’t seem to find any information. If someone has an email or web address it would be greatly appreciated

Yes, the web site is up – I have already signed up!  Look for it at www.muncieendurathon.com…. Good luck, Kurt — Kurt Estes http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Rapids/9048/index.html Before you buy.

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Day Timer also has a watch that you can put in your organizer.  You can set many (twenty or so) times with a flick of a switch (only on hours and half hours during the day). – Mary Beth

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i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.

Let me clairify my last post. It should have read: Play the "where the hell is (fill in the blank)?" game a couple of times a day. Sonny

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There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it.

I think they are Timex Indiglos… judi

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judibin said: "There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it.

I think they are Timex Indiglos… " That sounds right. I know several people on line who have them and are happy with them.

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Casio makes an inexpensive watch with alarms for two times per day. I don’t know of a watch that has more settings. Of course, two watches get you four alarms, and so on. Do what you gotta do! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.

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Wow! Five alarms! That is going into my letter to Santa! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – judibin said: "There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it. I think they are Timex Indiglos… " That sounds right. I know several people on line who have them and are happy with them.

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The Ironman is made by TIMEX. They also have other datalink watches, starting from just under $70. These can be programmed from your PC. Ian Ford – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.| There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it.

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i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.

I have a hard time remembering things in general so I bought one of those new palm computers. A little expensive but it was worht every penney. It has multiple alarms, a voice recorder, it keeps track of my appointments, phone numbers, keeps lists of all kinds and has a place for handwritten notes and diagrams. It really helps keeps my life in order. My only fear was that I would do the same thing with it that I do with my glasses. Play the "where the hell is it?" game a couple of times a day. But because it has a charging stand, a place where it belongs, I haven’t played that wonderful game with it. Yet.

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i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.

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"i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.| There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it.

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Yep, I have looked into it, and there seems to be this one watch with 5 alarms. Its a man’s watch, and it also comes with this little calculator and costs about $50. I got it, and it took forever to program it, and I lost the directions and can’t get rid of one alarm I put in there, so it beeps at 6am and 11am and then at midnight!!  *sigh* Jasmine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"i have serious add and forget to take several medications during the day. i am looking for a watch that i am told some people with add use which can be programmed with several alarms during the day. if you know of such a watch please write me. manythanks.| There is an "Ironman Triatholon" model watch which has five alarms on it. I’m not sure who makes it but if you look around I’m sure you can find it.

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Can anyone direct me to some good site with some suggested training schedules for Sprint Tri’s. I am looking for some tips to speed training on my bike as well. Any help would be great. Thanks.

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Not sure about sprints but there are some training links on www.trinewbies.com gordo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi folks…  I am doing the Vineman triathlon (Iron distance) on July 26th. I am not sure if my bike training is enough. I do a 70 miler on week ends and three to four 40 milers during the week. I am planning on doing 80+ during the next 3 weekends. Is this sufficient ????  I ran a marathon comfortably last month and have done a 21 mile run. Right now i am just doing 5 mile runs for maintenance.   I could swim 2 miles easily (at about 30 minute/mile pace).   Most of my training is at random and by intuition…..i just go by how i feel….but i do the 70 miler on weekends, religiously…   Could you please advise me as to how i could improve my training so as to run a descent race. I know time is short (ie. 3 weeks of training left and 1 week of rest or taper). Please help me with some workout tips….i would really appreciate it…..

If the above numbers are really correct, I think your 190 – 230 miles a week on the bike are plenty. The only thing I would recommend is trying to do at least one 100-110 mile ride before the race, and AT LEAST 2 weeks before. Just leave out a 40 miler and do a real easy long ride. Try to take all the things you plan on eating in the race and try them on your long rides. As for running, it sounds like you are ready with your recent marathon. Perhaps a couple of 1.5 hour runs before the race to remind you legs what the pounding is like. Swimming sounds fine, too. There is really not too many things you want to be changing this close to the race.   Secondly, How about nutrition during the race and during training ???please help me as well…..my approach is brute force…..

Well, brute force works if your stomach can handle it. I like to eat a sandwich (PB&J or turkey and mustard) and some wheat thins on the bike to interrupt to energy bar intake and get some salt. I drink mainly fluid replacement drink, every once in a while some water, and coke on the last 1/3 of the run. You really should try these things out in training before drastically altering your current habits this close to the race. thanks a million… joseph

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Hi folks…   I am doing the Vineman triathlon (Iron distance) on July 26th. I am not sure if my bike training is enough. I do a 70 miler on week ends and three to four 40 milers during the week. I am planning on doing 80+ during the next 3 weekends. Is this sufficient ????   I ran a marathon comfortably last month and have done a 21 mile run. Right now i am just doing 5 mile runs for maintenance.    I could swim 2 miles easily (at about 30 minute/mile pace).    Most of my training is at random and by intuition…..i just go by how i feel….but i do the 70 miler on weekends, religiously…    Could you please advise me as to how i could improve my training so as to run a descent race. I know time is short (ie. 3 weeks of training left and 1 week of rest or taper). Please help me with some workout tips….i would really appreciate it…..    Secondly, How about nutrition during the race and during training ???please help me as well…..my approach is brute force….. thanks a million… joseph

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Dear triathletes, I am very new to multi sports and I am training for an adventure race (3-6 miles running, 10-20 miles mountain biking, 1-8 miles paddling and some other stuff like rock climbing and "secret missions"). I am following a very good running program, my time is improving and my endurance is getting better. But now I got a bike (Specialized Stumpjumper comp) and I have no clue how to combine these training. BTW I have 1 day off on running, one day long run (8-9 miles) and 2 other days that I don’t run but workout legs with weights. Any one could help? Thank you very much in advance, and please forgive me if this post is not 100% triathlon. Rafael Guerra

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Dear triathletes, I am very new to multi sports and I am training for an adventure race (3-6 miles running, 10-20 miles mountain biking, 1-8 miles paddling and some other stuff like rock climbing and "secret missions"). I am following a very good running program, my time is improving and my endurance is getting better. But now I got a bike (Specialized Stumpjumper comp) and I have no clue how to combine these training. BTW I have 1 day off on running, one day long run (8-9 miles) and 2 other days that I don’t run but workout legs with weights. Any one could help? Thank you very much in advance, and please forgive me if this post is not 100% triathlon. Rafael Guerra

One question…When’s that Adventure race? Paulo

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Has anyone seen results from the Phoenix Triathlon held last Sunday? —

The Lake Pleasant Triathlon, held on Sunday, June 1 was a fabulous success with over 500 athletes competing.  We had advertised a tough course and, by all reports, succeeded.  Many athletes said that the course was tougher than Wildflower and Bakersfield (with all due respect to those two great races).  So, if you want to compete on the toughest course in the country, we look forward to seeing you next year. Results are as follows (note the times as an indicator as to how tough the course was – our fastest 40k bike split was 1:04!) MEN 1. Gerald Kirkpatrick   2:07:00 2. Jon Black            2:08:23 3. Lance Muzlay         2:09:47 4. Dominic Arthur       2:11:14 5. Steve Foree          2:14:10 WOMEN 1. Bridget Black        2:21:37 2. Kara Hughes          2:23:44 3. Jolene Wilkinson     2:27:29 4. Jane Esahak-Gage     2:30:10 5. Kristin Armstrong    2:31:16 In addition to any prize money that may be offered in 1998, Tucson Racing Inc. offers $500 to the first male who can break 2:00 and the first female who can break 2:10.  We think we are pretty safe….

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Has anyone seen results from the Phoenix Triathlon held last Sunday? —

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Could you please post five deep on us age groupers, too?? "Life’s a brick" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Has anyone seen results from the Phoenix Triathlon held last Sunday? — The Lake Pleasant Triathlon, held on Sunday, June 1 was a fabulous success with over 500 athletes competing.  We had advertised a tough course and, by all reports, succeeded.  Many athletes said that the course was tougher than Wildflower and Bakersfield (with all due respect to those two great races).  So, if you want to compete on the toughest course in the country, we look forward to seeing you next year. Results are as follows (note the times as an indicator as to how tough the course was – our fastest 40k bike split was 1:04!) MEN 1. Gerald Kirkpatrick   2:07:00 2. Jon Black            2:08:23 3. Lance Muzlay         2:09:47 4. Dominic Arthur       2:11:14 5. Steve Foree          2:14:10 WOMEN 1. Bridget Black        2:21:37 2. Kara Hughes          2:23:44 3. Jolene Wilkinson     2:27:29 4. Jane Esahak-Gage     2:30:10 5. Kristin Armstrong    2:31:16 In addition to any prize money that may be offered in 1998, Tucson Racing Inc. offers $500 to the first male who can break 2:00 and the first female who can break 2:10.  We think we are pretty safe….

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I always marvel at how Europeans can use English so flawlessly … Thanks, Michael. Katherine Williams

many of us in the UK continually amaze ourselves too. timbo

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Selective snipping… I had 9 squeezes and my camera in my running bag, I was a kind of prepared.

I brought a small camera on the bike a couple years ago at my first Ironman.  I wasn’t going for time, and I really cherish those pictures! I am running in Kona – my feet are actually going to run on Alii Drive. All the time since the start, it was just playing around – like in a dream – nothing to win nothing to loose. But now it got REAL ! I am going to finish !! I don’t care about the time – I was flying and I was happy.

This has been a real joy to read.  Enjoy your recovery dude. Augie Calabrese

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  stuff deleted       ALOHA   Mike

I read every word of Michael’s Kona report. It’s easy to get wrapped up in the action, and not realize that Michael is German, and thus his writing this account in his non-native language for the rest of the world to see is quite impressive. I always marvel at how Europeans can use English so flawlessly … Thanks, Michael. Katherine Williams

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The Run: I found my bike shirt in the bag – it put back a smile on my face and I used the rest room for the first time. I got out of the tent with a 7:38 in the race – a 6:20 on the bike was a tough stuff. I felt good- but did not expect to hammer out 3:20 on the run for a sunshine finish. Ok- I don’t care anymore – I ‘ll get the light stick somewhere on the Kona Highway but I’ll enjoy the run. I had 9 squeezes and my camera in my running bag, I was a kind of prepared. At the first aids station after the pit I needed a restroom again. Occupied- no way to go on – wait… Finally, the guy who was comming out looked pretty relieved, so did I afterwards. I met him again – comming out of the next one while I was waiting- we became a sort of friends.  This is not going to be a story about having fun on the restrooms, but: By the time a arrived at the turnaround point before the energy lab I DIDN’T SKIP ONE OF THEM. I think there had been 8 blue little cabins…I needed them all. I think it was the sqeeze that gave me a hard time. I still had time to get a picture from Paula and Karen chasing her. The energy lab was just tough. I started to drink Coke and didn’t eat any Relode/Squeeze anymore. On my way out of the energy lab I saw a guy collapsing. He went down – two other athletes gave him a drink and volunteers were already comming from the aids station. Nothing to do for me, he wasn’t looking that bad- just give him a 10 minute break. A couple of minutes later I came across a woman. She started vomiting right besides me. (stop laughing, it wasn’t because of me ..) I asked: "Are you alright?" Well – I know , it’s not the most intelligent question in such a moment. I could have offered her to carry her back to Koka on my shoulders, but the Coke made my brain working again. She gave me the best answer she could give: "Yes" "Are you shure?" (Kind of instisting guy-hey), Ok, ok, I am leaving. The damned light stick became a good friend of mine for the last 5 miles. It was dark and I could see the lights of the town. When I passed the 24 mile marker – I rembered an interview from Mark: "At the last 2 miles you know you made it!". I knew it. I arrived in Kona with 2 miles to go, I was running lonely in the darkness, not to many runners were around me. It was awesome !  I realized in few seconds that a reached my ultimate goal. I can’t describe it. Like the tension of all the workouts of a whole year – of my 6 years in Triathlon – disappeared. Tears were running down my face. I *realized* for the first time: I am running in Kona – my feet are actually going to run on Alii Drive. All the time since the start, it was just playing around – like in a dream – nothing to win nothing to loose. But now it got REAL ! I am going to finish !! I don’t care about the time – I was flying and I was happy. I felt great in the finsh area: after 11:50, I was not tired and hadn’t any problems with my muscles. I felt great, very relaxed, very happy. I didn’t push it at any time, the pay off is a very enjoyable race. I hope that everybody else at Kona could enjoy his or her first HAwaii Ironman as much as I did. Of course I was waiting for the last one to come in. The Next day: I was running for 30 minutes and was shopping with the girl from Venezuela. The awards dinner and the slide show in the evening were great. After the official part of the Ironman the real party started at the Kona Inn. Me and a finnish friend of mine (I didn’t see him since 5 years) managed to get in and we had a very good time among all the pro’s.         What a week ! – I’ll definetly come back.         ALOHA   Mike

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I have been investigating computer aided software to take the place of my training log and a coaching organization. I have the demo of ultracoach training software. My question focuses on the recommended training programs which this program generates. I would like to read of any feedback other people have, who have been training with this software. Thanks for all replies. John Moir

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I have tried several different programs that offer "artificial intelligence" to suggest training sessions, but without much luck.  The two major shortcomings I have seen (with UltraCoach, also) are: 1. The suggested workouts become unreasonable quite often, especially the swim sessions.  Yeah, you can cut them short and only use them as a suggestion, but that begins to defeat the whole purpose after a couple of weeks, as the suggested programs progress and you’re still not quite ready to follow them exactly.  Following the program "to the letter" could lead down a path of overtraining and injury. 2. The log book function is limited.  Try logging the following typical workout sets: "3 sets of (4 x 3:00 @85% intensity w/30 sec recovery) w/5:00 recovery btwn sets and sets I like to switch back and forth from "time-based" training and "distance-based" training, especially in cycling where the wind-trainer workouts can be much more detailed than rides outdoors.  UltraCoach seems to allow you to either choose distance-based recording or time-based, but doesn’t offer a decent way to do both.

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writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I have tried several different programs that offer "artificial intelligence" to suggest training sessions, but without much luck. The two major shortcomings I have seen (with UltraCoach, also) are: 1. The suggested workouts become unreasonable quite often, especially the swim sessions.  Yeah, you can cut them short and only use them as a suggestion, but that begins to defeat the whole purpose after a couple of weeks, as the suggested programs progress and you’re still not quite ready to follow them exactly.  Following the program "to the letter" could lead down a path of overtraining and injury. 2. The log book function is limited.  Try logging the following typical workout sets: "3 sets of (4 x 3:00 @85% intensity w/30 sec recovery) w/5:00 recovery btwn sets and btwn sets I like to switch back and forth from "time-based" training and "distance-based" training, especially in cycling where the wind-trainer workouts can be much more detailed than rides outdoors.  UltraCoach seems to allow you to either choose distance-based recording or time-based, but doesn’t offer a decent way to do both.

Thanks for your comments: 1. The swim training is primarily designed for swimmers. The easiest way to accommodate a triathlete’s pension for swimming less than swimmers do for comparable goal distance training is to "step down" a level in fitness–from competitive to novice; You may find that works better for a triathlete. 2. The diary and log function will accommodate your concern for time base for distance base.  If you have problems, making this please call UltraCoach tech support 602-926-8488 Mon through Friday PST 9-5. We welcome suggestions at UltraCoach–that is how we got to where we are.   UltraCoach is not perfect but will physiologically take you to your goal; signs of overtraining are monitored by the software and will alter your workouts accordingly. Ken Burres MD UltraCoach

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