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If you’re competing eat more, and drop the swimming/biking. -Adam (sorry for top posting)

Hi Adam- Won’t that make the triathlon a little more difficult???

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If you’re competing eat more, and drop the swimming/biking. -Adam (sorry for top posting) Whats the deal with that?

What’s the deal with what? -Adam

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If you’re competing eat more, and drop the swimming/biking. -Adam (sorry for top posting) Whats the deal with that? What’s the deal with what? -Adam

Always top posting,then apologizing.

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Always top posting,then apologizing.

I did it twice in my life, because I didn’t want to bother snipping. -Adam (next time, email a question like this)

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Always top posting,then apologizing. I did it twice in my life, because I didn’t want to bother snipping. -Adam (next time, email a question like this)

My bad,thought you were doing it all the time

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Matt said… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ll leave the training and running critiquing to others. On the food side however I’ll give some input. When loosing weigth you should not be eating anything different than what you plan on eating after you get to your goal weight. If you constantly are feeling that you are denying yourself something you want eventually you will breakdown and eat it. The key to loosing and maintaining weight is being satisfied with what your eating. You stated you "Allow" yourself a "Cheat" meal. This would indicate that the meal you eat is somehow bad. If you were to ask someone who never had a weight problem if they have ever eaten a "cheat" meal I believe the majority of the time the answer would be no. You can eat whatever you want you just can’t eat 4000 calories of it. I’m not suggesting that you quite eating healthy food but don’t deny yourself everthing you want. Just don’t eat so much of it. I would also suggest at the level you are working out you need to increase your caloric intake. Loose the weight slower, change your eating mentality and keep excersing and your guaranteed to succeed.

Excellent post, Matt.  Speaking as someone who has never had a "cheat meal" and has stayed within a 12 pound weight range for 32 years, you’re absolutely right. Carrie is limiting calories (carbs, in particular) and has an aggressive exercise regimen.  I don’t believe the two together are sustainable in the long run — something’s gonna give.  She’s pulling about 6 X 1,000 kcal in extra burn per week  plus building muscle which requires more fuel at rest. The body never really tells the brain, "Feed me — I’m totally out of gas." Instead, you get the flu.  Or you "just don’t feel like working out today". Or you fall asleep at work.  Or you get headaches. Eat often.  Eat small.  Eat good things.  Never eat anything that comes in cellophane (except granola bars and fig newtons).  Never drink anything that is carbonated (except a tall beer AFTER a 60 mile ride). Carrie — you will have NO problem with that sprint tri, even if it were held tomorrow!  Enjoy it! — Mark

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If you’re competing eat more, and drop the swimming/biking. -Adam (sorry for top posting)

Whats the deal with that?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi all- I have enjoyed reading both of these groups and thought that you would best be able to impart some of your wisdom on me as I continue down my path to optimum fitness and health.  I am a 26 y/o woman, who is training for a sprint triathlon in May, leading up to longer distances in the fall.  I am  also looking to lose around 25 pounds, right now I am about 165 and 5′6", with a medium build. As far as diet goes, I have been keeping a food journal for the past month, and I have been eating around 1500 cal/day.  I have been watching my carb intake, and trying to incorporate more protein and good fats (olive oil, nuts, etc.) into my diet.  A typical day is peanut butter toast for bfast; a banana around 10 or 11; a big salad with chicken breast and low-fat dressings and cheese and maybe a yogurt or something for lunch; a Luna bar (around 170-180 cals) around 3; and either chicken, fish or beef with steamed veggies and rice or a sweet potato or cous cous or something similar for dinner.  I drink at least doing a gallon of water a day, and I have been taking an ECA stack (stacker2) with bfast.  I do allow myself one "cheat" meal a week of whatever I have been craving, be it a big sub with mayo or chinese food.

        I’ll leave the training and running critiquing to others. On the food side however I’ll give some input. When loosing weigth you should not be eating anything different than what you plan on eating after you get to your goal weight. If you constantly are feeling that you are denying yourself something you want eventually you will breakdown and eat it. The key to loosing and maintaining weight is being satisfied with what your eating. You stated you "Allow" yourself a "Cheat" meal. This would indicate that the meal you eat is somehow bad. If you were to ask someone who never had a weight problem if they have ever eaten a "cheat" meal I believe the majority of the time the answer would be no. You can eat whatever you want you just can’t eat 4000 calories of it. I’m not suggesting that you quite eating healthy food but don’t deny yourself everthing you want. Just don’t eat so much of it.         I would also suggest at the level you are working out you need to increase your caloric intake. Loose the weight slower, change your eating mentality and keep excersing and your guaranteed to succeed. ~Matt

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I have enjoyed reading both of these groups and thought that you would best be able to impart some of your wisdom on me as I continue down my path to optimum fitness and health.  I am a 26 y/o woman, who is training for a sprint triathlon in May, leading up to longer distances in the fall.  I am  also looking to lose around 25 pounds, right now I am about 165 and 5′6", with a medium build.

JPEG’s please. -Scott Johnson  "Always with the excuses for small legs.  People like you are   why they only open the top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen

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If you’re competing eat more, and drop the swimming/biking. -Adam (sorry for top posting)

Hi all- I have enjoyed reading both of these groups and thought that you would best be able to impart some of your wisdom on me as I continue down my path to optimum fitness and health.  I am a 26 y/o woman, who is training for a sprint triathlon in May, leading up to longer distances in the fall.  I am  also looking to lose around 25 pounds, right now I am about 165 and 5′6", with a medium build.

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I have enjoyed reading both of these groups and thought that you would best be able to impart some of your wisdom on me as I continue down my path to optimum fitness and health.  I am a 26 y/o woman, who is training for a sprint triathlon in May, leading up to longer distances in the fall.  I am  also looking to lose around 25 pounds, right now I am about 165 and 5′6", with a medium build. As far as diet goes, I have been keeping a food journal for the past month, and I have been eating around 1500 cal/day.  I have been

—This caloric intake is probably good, with a decent amount of aerobic exercise you can lose weight well on this plan. watching my carb intake, and trying to incorporate more protein and good fats (olive oil, nuts, etc.) into my diet.  A typical day is peanut butter toast for bfast; a banana around 10 or 11; a big salad

—Try jam on your toast unless the PB is non-fat.  Most PB is pretty high in fat and should be avoided when you’re trying to shave weight. with chicken breast and low-fat dressings and cheese and maybe a yogurt or something for lunch; a Luna bar (around 170-180 cals) around 3; and either chicken, fish or beef with steamed veggies and rice or a sweet potato or cous cous or something similar for dinner.  I drink at least doing a gallon of water a day, and I have been taking an ECA

—A GALLON???  Decent water intake is good but I run 60-100 miles a week and don’teven  approach that intake unless it’s 90F outside.  Too much fluid can flush water-soluble vitamins out of your system and actually hurt you. stack (stacker2) with bfast.  I do allow myself one "cheat" meal a

—IMHO, these metabolic enhancers are a very bad idea, expecially for athletes.  I’m not convinced your body is going to recover correctly when you are artificially revving it up all the time.  Proper diet and exercise are very effective at weight control and you have no need to take this risk.  You’re not truly obese or anything, so why stress your body and take chances like this? week of whatever I have been craving, be it a big sub with mayo or chinese food.

—Gotta do this to stay sane Mon/Wed/Fri 10 mins on Stairmaster to warm up 40 mins of lifting, I do a total body routine most days, but sometimes skip lifting legs since they are getting quite the workout with everything I am doing.  Since I run on those days, if I lift too much my legs are too fatigued to put in what I really need.

—Might want to split lifing into muscle group-specific days to hit those muscles harder and increase rate of fitness gain. 45 mins of running on Mon & Fri, about 4.25-4.5 miles on those days 30 mins of running on Wed, then I do speed intervals to work on improving my speed Tu/Thur 30 mins swim 30 mins bike

—Might want more time on the bike.  For me, biking helps running more than running helps biking. My big question is around cardio, am I  doing too much?  Or should I

—No….Not if you feel that your body is handling it fine. Andy Hass

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Hi all- I have enjoyed reading both of these groups and thought that you would best be able to impart some of your wisdom on me as I continue down my path to optimum fitness and health.  I am a 26 y/o woman, who is training for a sprint triathlon in May, leading up to longer distances in the fall.  I am  also looking to lose around 25 pounds, right now I am about 165 and 5′6", with a medium build. As far as diet goes, I have been keeping a food journal for the past month, and I have been eating around 1500 cal/day.  I have been watching my carb intake, and trying to incorporate more protein and good fats (olive oil, nuts, etc.) into my diet.  A typical day is peanut butter toast for bfast; a banana around 10 or 11; a big salad with chicken breast and low-fat dressings and cheese and maybe a yogurt or something for lunch; a Luna bar (around 170-180 cals) around 3; and either chicken, fish or beef with steamed veggies and rice or a sweet potato or cous cous or something similar for dinner.  I drink at least doing a gallon of water a day, and I have been taking an ECA stack (stacker2) with bfast.  I do allow myself one "cheat" meal a week of whatever I have been craving, be it a big sub with mayo or chinese food. I work out 6 days a week (most weeks, the week I went to the SuperBowl {go Pats!} was a diaster but otherwise I have been pretty consistant.) Mon/Wed/Fri 10 mins on Stairmaster to warm up 40 mins of lifting, I do a total body routine most days, but sometimes skip lifting legs since they are getting quite the workout with everything I am doing.  Since I run on those days, if I lift too much my legs are too fatigued to put in what I really need. 45 mins of running on Mon & Fri, about 4.25-4.5 miles on those days 30 mins of running on Wed, then I do speed intervals to work on improving my speed Tu/Thur 30 mins swim 30 mins bike Sat whatever I feel like, but at least 30 mins of cardio, if not an hour. Usually it’s running, but sometimes I will swim or do the eliptical machine. My big question is around cardio, am I  doing too much?  Or should I make changes to it?  I’ve been reading a lot of posts around the ECA stack, and think perhaps I may want to take a little break from it. Any other suggestions people might have would alo be greatly appreciated.  My biggest goal is to finish the sprint tri in under 1:10, and right behind that is look smashing this summer in whatever it is I might decide to wear.   The second part is a bonus, but not the ultimate reason why I am whipping myself into shape.  Over the last year I have seen both of my parents struggle with different health issues, and they are both in their early 50’s.  It had made me realize that if I don’t start getting serious about fitness, I’m looking at only another 25 good years. Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to this . . .  there are lots of people on here with serious knowledge about getting in shape, and I enjoy reading your advice! Carrie A little funny . . . this weekend I went into a running store looking for Body Glide, and for some reason I go up to the male clerk and ask him if he could show me where they sold the AstroGlide . . . not too embarassing!

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I hate to admit it but I agree with John H.

Scary… Ironman California is just about an hour away from Los Angeles and even closer to this area.  Anyway what I’m getting at is this…  With all that great "southern california" stuff goin down there I was amazed IMCAL doesn’t fill up in a flash.  I’m not sure if it is even filled up yet.

It did in it’s first year, less than two weeks IIRC. And, IMCAL got a LOT of coverage locally. David / FEY2K IMCAL2000 16:53 (remove spaces) at att dot net

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In fact the majority of the people are "posers". That doesn’t mean they’re not interested in watching the race. An Olympic 100M final has 8 participants but half the world still wanted to watch. I can’t believe CBS doesn’t have the personel to take a race like the Ironman and make a real live race and story out of it, whether it exists or not.  I was at IMH this year and even with the bare scraps of information we could get it was a more interesting race than the cameras managed to portray. J.J. Whether we,as triathletes, like it or not, this is the program that WTC

and NBC feel the general audience wants to see. The fact that this program consistently generates high ratings on a Sunday afternoon in the middle of American football season and wins a pile of awards every year seems to hint that they may be correct. Remember, also, that WTC (World Triathlon Corporation, owners of Ironman) produces the program independantly and sells it to NBC (or buys the time, I don’t recall exactly the arrangement). Even edited down to 2 hours, a program dedicated solely to showing the competition of an 8-17 hour event would be like watching paint dry to all except the most dedicated triathletes.  Unfortunately, we have numbers that would put this program on at 3AM on a weeknight, if at all. We are not the audience that WTC wants to reach to continue growing the Ironman mystique and brand name. Thus, they produce a program that they feel will draw the masses, evoke emotion, and sell their image as they choose to represent it. So far, they have done a great job doing just that and will probably continue to do so. We aspire to race the Ironman, not watch it. They know that and also know that many of us were probably first drawn to the sport by one of these very broadcasts. Their goal seems to be to entertain the masses while inspiring the few to get up off the sofa. Mission accomplished, I would say. It worked for me. Ten years, over a hundred triathlons, nine marathons, and three Ironman races later I’m still watching, but from a different perspective. cheers, Andrew — Andrew Peabody/Karen Fisher Coconut Grove, FL Before you buy.

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In fact the majority of the people are "posers". That doesn’t mean they’re not interested in watching the race. An Olympic 100M final has 8 participants but half the world still wanted to watch. I can’t believe CBS doesn’t have the personel to take a race like the Ironman and make a real live race and story out of it, whether it exists or not.  I was at IMH this year and even with the bare scraps of information we could get it was a more interesting race than the cameras managed to portray. J.J.

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John The next beers on me, well said and entirely true!! Lloyd

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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I hate to admit it but I agree with John H. Recently I was in Southern California (Hermosa, Redundo to El Sugundo). This area is an absolute great place to train. They have big bike lanes painted on the roads etc. etc.  The weather is great and there are even some hills. Ironman California is just about an hour away from Los Angeles and even closer to this area.  Anyway what I’m getting at is this…  With all that great "southern california" stuff goin down there I was amazed IMCAL doesn’t fill up in a flash.  I’m not sure if it is even filled up yet. Then I realized this…. In fact the majority of the people are "posers".  This may sound like a very nasty or be-rating term (I don’t really mean it to be that way) but many people wish, talk, act, etc. etc.  like they "can" do these things but there is really only a very very small portion of the people say 5000 in north america that are "iron"-people. Sometimes you gotta step back and realize that infact we are on the "fringe" here.  This is way beyond just keeping basically physically fit which requires about 30 minutes of aerobic exercise three to four times a week.

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You have a good point at who the intended audience is for…not us.

Why not, one wonders. They do not cover ANY other sport this way on TV, why this? If IM needs this year after year, maybe it is time they pull it. Then again, if it makes it to TV year after year, it must be worth it to broadcast it. That means they do have an audience, and maybe that audience, even non-triathletes, would like some better, or different coverage. TV is just sticking with the same old tired, stock format fot this race.

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They do not cover ANY other sport this way on TV, why this?

Track and field, for one.  No doubt anyone who is relatively "hard core" in any sport will likely find significant faults with TV coverage of "their" sport. The fact is, triathlon translates very poorly to the boob tube, just as it usually does as a spectator sport in person.  Poetic license must be taken for this to translate to the masses, and in the absence of any real race drama, you get stories. Another poster mentioned some of the epic duels of the past, most notably the 1989 Mark Allen/Dave Scott race…now it was on another network (ABC) at the time, but for a while, all they did was show these guys running side-by-side, no music, and not much commentary.  The race spoke for itself. Think MTV, broadband, streaming media, MP3, PS2, etc….and you get some idea of what is going through the minds of TV producers as they think of how they will show a 17-hour day in a two-hour show (probably really 1:28 with commercials) on an NFL Sunday in the middle of November. Just my two cents’ as one who has watched Ironman broadcasts since 1986… Mike C

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Hmmm, sounds just like the dialogue during the TdF covereage on ESPN. Bring on OLN!!! Chris – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Every year we watch the coverage, every year people complain, last year the Hoyts took the blunt of the complaining. Last year and the year before J. Molnar took alot of it. Who will be the scapegoat this year. Be happy the Damned race even makes it to TV.  Soon OLN will pick it up and it won’t be seen by the masses. If "they" make the coverage "triathlete" happy the masses will change the channel, The coverage is not for those of you that are Ironmen/women, it isnt really even for those of you that are triathletes. It is for fat slugs like me that turn off the NFL for two hours to see  "what them queers with the Lycra & shaved legs are doing" {please note the qoutation marks} If the coverage touches just one Redneck that otherwise would throw things at us or run us off the road then it has done something great!!!  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

You have a good point at who the intended audience is for…not us.  I really wish they would film another version geared for triathletes, after all we are the only ones that actually buy the video!  I must say that I did enjoy the coverage of the deboom’s, its nice to get a little more personal with some of the people that make a living of this sport. Before you buy.

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Can anyone tell me where to find results online from the VA 10 miler held 9/25? Thanks Wes

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http://www.bestrace.com/virginia10miler/ They should be up by now.

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Try this URL: http://bestrace.com/virginia10miler/results99-10.html. Ken Can anyone tell me where to find results online from the VA 10 miler held 9/25? Thanks Wes

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Has anyone done this triathlon in previous years.  I am considering signing up for the Olympic distance event but dont want to go to the expense if it is a poorly run event.  

It is fairly well run, but not the best.  The course is good; it’s the support services where they fall short of excellence, like the fact that they provide 12 porta-johns for roughly 1000 people.   Also my girlfriend is considering the shorter sprint distance race as her first triathlon and I am not sure how tough the course is or how many people they let register.  

The course is not bad.  The swim start is in deep water.  The Navy Reserve backs two landing craft up against the pier, and lowers the front ramps.  Each wave gets on a landing craft and jumps off the ramp into the water, swims about 30 ft. to the start, then treads water for about a minute before the start.  The bike course for the sprint is on the Shorway, out to the far side of Edgewater Park and back twice.  Note the twice part since every year a large number of first timers get course violations for only going once around.  It’s all up and down because of the Main Avenue Bridge and all the overpasses, but they’re long, not steep, slopes.  The Olympic distance has a spur out Chester to E.55th St. then back on the Shoreway, then it joins the sprint course for (again note) two times around.  The run starts and finishes with a short but steep hill climb.  The first up W. 3rd from the stadium to Lakeside, and the last one up Lakeside out of the Flats, followed by about 300m of level ground to the finish infront of the Convention Center on Lakeside.  Both run courses wind around downown, with the Olympic adding a spur out to E. 30th St. A lot of sprint participants are runners who are curious to try triathlon.  They have never closed registration – if there’s a limit they haven’t seen it yet.  You can register the day before at the Renaissance hotel at Tower City.

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Well, there ya go…  you say tomato, I say tom

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Sorry mistype I meant "Just hope we don’t have the same problem at IMF." That has crossed my mind more than once. The flatness of the area will be condusive to drafting, so they must look out for it at IMF. Through people’s testimonies on this NG seems like it was better this year than last with extended time between waves. That might be one thing that probably should be considered in November as well.

I think a bigger problem would be if the surf was as bad (or worse.) Can you cancel the swim and call it an Ironman? <g Are there any IM’s with wave starts? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03

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I had one group of 5 blow past me at about mile 50.  My guess it was the folks from the relay group

That is probably unlikely.  I was a Clyde – - we shared the last swim wave with the relays. From my vantage point, there was FAR less drafting this year.  Of course there is "cheating-drafting" and "not-having-the-skills-to-get- out-of-a-bad-position drafting".  Putting more room between waves helps address the latter. The only flagrant "cheating-drafting" that I observed seemed to be towards the front – - an early wave of females (25-35 years?).  They were in very very bunched, about ten of them in the space of fifty meters. There are always people who SEEM to be in a position violation, but I hardly have the same vantage point as a referee.  I only had a snapshot. rsquared —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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I think a bigger problem would be if the surf was as bad (or worse.) Can you cancel the swim and call it an Ironman? <g Are there any IM’s with wave starts? Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03

To answer both questions Ironman Japan (last year it was held) canceled the swim because of a storm(typhoon or something). They replaced it with a run before the bike. In the "Road to IRONMAN" with last months "Inside Triathlon" and given out in Gulf Coast race packets there was a page on IMF and it mentioned an alternative swim if water is bad. To answer the second question IRONMAN Germany does wave starts of course they start 2400 plus I think in a narrow canal so not much choice. Pretty sure non of the other official IMDOT races have wave starts. It would be nice though. Gary Holmes

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I had one group of 5 blow past me at about mile 50.  My guess it was the folks from the relay group.  That was the extent of what I saw.  The officials were all over the course and did a good job preventing it. Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What were the conditions like out on the bike course this year?  Did they use a new route?  Was drafting rampant like it was last year?  It looks like conditions were pretty tough this year? —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Sorry mistype I meant "Just hope we don’t have the same problem at IMF."

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Sorry mistype I meant "Just hope we don’t have the same problem at IMF."

That has crossed my mind more than once. The flatness of the area will be condusive to drafting, so they must look out for it at IMF. Through people’s testimonies on this NG seems like it was better this year than last with extended time between waves. That might be one thing that probably should be considered in November as well.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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The added time between waves helped alot. However…. I was in 40 plus wave which was next to last before relay’s. Things were quit spread out this year compared to last until the last 10 miles right after the big bridge I looked back to see how things were and saw a pack approaching.  I sped up but after a couple of miles here they came.  I made some remarks about the pack and one guy as he passed said "Hey come on in and join the crowd".  I replied back "No thanks I can at least feel good because I didn’t cheat" After they passed they slowed a bit so I blasted through made my comments and sped away.  5 minutes later here they came again.  After dropping back I decided to blast by again.  After the 3rd time I was ready to give up and saw a martial come by and never saw the pack again with about 4 miles to go. My last 4 miles felt pretty bad because of the wasted energy to pass the pack. It was still better than last year though.  It was obvious these guys didn’t care about penalties but it’s a shame that they don’t realize how they affect other folks out on the course by passing then slowing down and passing etc. Last year this went on through out the whole course so it was a whole lot better this year thanks to Charlie and the longer time between waves. Just hope we have the same problem at IMF. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – from my spot in the 2nd AG wave, it looked completely different from the peloton-ruled race i heard about last year. i saw a couple of packs that looked questionable, but by and large the extended periods between waves (15 minutes ?) were just what the doctor ordered. Also, the marshals were really out in force and provided a constant presence and reminder to watch your position. Kudos to Charlie and his team. the rough swim may have also helped to break things up. Otherwise, the race was fantastic. excellent job on every level, and every detail (except for the shirts, which were surprisingly lame for such a top-flite race). Really an outstanding job by all involved. What were the conditions like out on the bike course this year?  Did they use a new route?  Was drafting rampant like it was last year?  It looks like conditions were pretty tough this year? —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Otherwise, the race was fantastic. excellent job on every level, and every detail (except for the shirts, which were surprisingly lame for such a top-flite race). Really an outstanding job by all involved.

This is a great event but they seem to have a hard time with the shirts. 1997 was also a very bad year. I was so proud to have done my first 1/2 IM and then I get this crappy shirt. Wendy "I wear it anyway" in St. Pete Beach

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 Was drafting rampant like it was last year?

No,Race officials put a lot more time between waves than they did last year and it really helped.It spread the field out fairly well.                                                    Randy+Sue IMF 99

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from my spot in the 2nd AG wave, it looked completely different from the peloton-ruled race i heard about last year. i saw a couple of packs that looked questionable, but by and large the extended periods between waves (15 minutes ?) were just what the doctor ordered. Also, the marshals were really out in force and provided a constant presence and reminder to watch your position. Kudos to Charlie and his team. the rough swim may have also helped to break things up. Otherwise, the race was fantastic. excellent job on every level, and every detail (except for the shirts, which were surprisingly lame for such a top-flite race). Really an outstanding job by all involved. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – What were the conditions like out on the bike course this year?  Did they use a new route?  Was drafting rampant like it was last year?  It looks like conditions were pretty tough this year? —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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What were the conditions like out on the bike course this year?  Did they use a new route?  Was drafting rampant like it was last year?  It looks like conditions were pretty tough this year? —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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Drafting wasnt too much of a problem…although one AG  seemed like they had a little "chase group" running towards the front

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Was drafting rampant like it was last year

Charlie Crawford posted a note here earlier saying that there were only about 108 penalties this year, a far cry from the previous year. I was in the middle-back portion of the bike and did not see much drafting going on with the people on their way back to the transition. Because of so many bikers, there were instances where there might have been 10 people within 30-50 feet, but mostly just trying to get around slower competitors. Didn’t see any large packs of drafters. What I did see may have been a few 2-4 person lines here and there. A pretty clean race from what I could tell.

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What were the conditions like out on the bike course this year?

Steady wind which seemed to be coming from all angles. Did they use a new route?

Aame route as last year but they added an extra 3 miles to compensate for the fact that last year’s change to the bike course was short by 3 miles. Was drafting rampant like it was last year?

Very clean relative to last year.  I did not see the same draft packs I saw a year ago.  Charlie Crawford mentioned this was the cleanest year since the race eclipsed 1000 entries. It looks like conditions were pretty tough this year?

The combination of a rough swim, windy bike, and VERY HOT run resulted in a really hard day – but I love this RACE! Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Fl Kona 98 —Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.—

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if anyone would have any aditional info on how i could become sponsored by a major company to either strictly run or do a triathlon please inform me soon..im serious about this..i have no limits im 21 years old and im coming into my prime the next 10 yrs of my running career..thanks matt

Go out and win some races, the sponsors willl find you.

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Run fast, they’ll find you.

if anyone would have any aditional info on how i could become sponsored by a major company to either strictly run or do a triathlon please inform me soon..im serious about this..i have no limits im 21 years old and im coming into my prime the next 10 yrs of my running career..thanks matt

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if anyone would have any aditional info on how i could become sponsored by a major company to either strictly run or do a triathlon please inform me soon..im serious about this..i have no limits im 21 years old and im coming into my prime the next 10 yrs of my running career..thanks matt

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‘Into the Wild’ is a great read. Also, a book I read a year ago – I believe its called ‘Swimming the Channel’, about a women who was training to swim the English Channel and had a personal tragedy just prior to her attempt.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding it fantastically inspiring. What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list. What kind of reading inspires you? — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

Lance, You may want to try "Touching the Void" , Joe Simpson, This book is almost unbelievable (it’s a true story)  It’s another mountaineering based story.  Incredible. Jeff

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I’ve only read these books, Ironwill by Mike Plant (Hard To Find But THE BEST BOOK I HAVE EVER READ) Surviving the Toughest Race on Earth by Dugard ALSO GREAT Pre by Tom Jordan MOTIVATING LeMond OKAY-GOOD Read Once a Runner by John Parker- HARD TO UNDERSTAND AT FIRST But once reread it all comes together GREAT BOOK The yellow Jersey MEDIOCRE Charles (I read quite a bit) Garabedian

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While you’re on the subject of Everest, go see the David Breashears movie "Everest" at the IMAX Theater. It’s incredible! Make sure to go on a settled stomach… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve only read these books, Ironwill by Mike Plant (Hard To Find But THE BEST BOOK I HAVE EVER READ) Surviving the Toughest Race on Earth by Dugard ALSO GREAT Pre by Tom Jordan MOTIVATING LeMond OKAY-GOOD Read Once a Runner by John Parker- HARD TO UNDERSTAND AT FIRST But once reread it all comes together GREAT BOOK The yellow Jersey MEDIOCRE Charles (I read quite a bit) Garabedian

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Try "The Amateurs" by Halberstam—it is the story about rowers in the US in late 70s and early 80s.  

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     On the subject of motivation, although not books, and quite hokey at times, the ROCKY movies are great for inspiration. Each of them, save for perhaps ROCKY V    …ok, even V, contain scenes that always get to me. The soundtracks as well are great. Brian Meyer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding it fantastically inspiring. What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list. What kind of reading inspires you? — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

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- Was there ever a book or movie about the guy named Kropp (I think) who rode his bike all the way to Kathmandu, summitted Everest in a solo ascent, then rode back home? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ruth Kazez wrote A third Krakauer book worth looking into is Eiger Dreams. Dove by Robin Lee Graham (sailing) Beyond the Limits by Stacy Allison (climbing by women) Wind, Sand and Stars by Antoine de Saint-Exupery (flying) Tracks by Robyn Davidson (desert walk with camels) Annapurna, A Woman’s Place by Arlene Blum (climbing) ? An account of climbing Everest by Tenzing Norgay (very good) Miles From Nowhere by Barbara Savage (bike around the world) The Lonely Sea and Sky by Sir Francis Chichester (excellent!) and the very best one of all…Annapurna by Maurice Herzog (superb) Also, although I’ve forgotten the titles, accounts of travelling up the Amazon, biographies and personal accounts of Scott, Admundsen, Perry, and others to both arctic circles, and Lewis, Clark, and many other who explored North America. Ruth (and others), There are some great books in this thread.  Please add "My Old Man and The Sea" by Hays and Hays, published in 1995. It is a story about sailing 17,000 miles in a 25-foot boat from the U.S. east coast, going through the Panama Canal, aroundCape Horn, and back up to Connecticut. If you liked The Dove, you should find this one a good read.  Lots of humor between father and son.  William F. Buckley says "…It will make you cry and smile and exult." Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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Sailing Alone Around The World – Joshua Slocum (first person to do it, 100+ yrs ago) Any book by Sir Ranolph Fiennes (hope I spelt correctly, I liked his autobiography and the book about Antarctica the best) Greg Childs’ mountaineering books are a good read The Boardman Tasker Omnibus (also about mountaineering) gordon byrn

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ruth Kazez wrote A third Krakauer book worth looking into is Eiger Dreams. Dove by Robin Lee Graham (sailing) Beyond the Limits by Stacy Allison (climbing by women) Wind, Sand and Stars by Antoine de Saint-Exupery (flying) Tracks by Robyn Davidson (desert walk with camels) Annapurna, A Woman’s Place by Arlene Blum (climbing) ? An account of climbing Everest by Tenzing Norgay (very good) Miles From Nowhere by Barbara Savage (bike around the world) The Lonely Sea and Sky by Sir Francis Chichester (excellent!) and the very best one of all…Annapurna by Maurice Herzog (superb) Also, although I’ve forgotten the titles, accounts of travelling up the Amazon, biographies and personal accounts of Scott, Admundsen, Perry, and others to both arctic circles, and Lewis, Clark, and many other who explored North America.

Ruth (and others), There are some great books in this thread.  Please add "My Old Man and The Sea" by Hays and Hays, published in 1995. It is a story about sailing 17,000 miles in a 25-foot boat from the U.S. east coast, going through the Panama Canal, aroundCape Horn, and back up to Connecticut. If you liked The Dove, you should find this one a good read.  Lots of humor between father and son.  William F. Buckley says "…It will make you cry and smile and exult." Bob Williams 55-59 Severna Park, MD

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Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding it fantastically inspiring. What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list. What kind of reading inspires you? — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

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What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list.

A third Krakauer book worth looking into is Eiger Dreams. Dove by Robin Lee Graham (sailing) Beyond the Limits by Stacy Allison (climbing by women) Wind, Sand and Stars by Antoine de Saint-Exupery (flying) Tracks by Robyn Davidson (desert walk with camels) Annapurna, A Woman’s Place by Arlene Blum (climbing) ? An account of climbing Everest by Tenzing Norgay (very good) Miles From Nowhere by Barbara Savage (bike around the world) The Lonely Sea and Sky by Sir Francis Chichester (excellent!) and the very best one of all…Annapurna by Maurice Herzog (superb) Also, although I’ve forgotten the titles, accounts of travelling up the Amazon, biographies and personal accounts of Scott, Admundsen, Perry, and others to both arctic circles, and Lewis, Clark, and many other who explored North America. Good thread! I like that sort of reading and would enjoy suggestions. Ruth Kazez

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Once a Runner, Parker JL Surviving the Toughest Race on Earth, Dugard M

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Lance Ball says… What kind of reading inspires you?

Of course we’re all still waiting for Tribaby’s IMH report. Anything that takes as long as this to produce must be good. AJ — If swimming is so good for the figure, explain whales Simon Haigh Illawarra Triathlon Club – Australia http://members.xoom.com/ajsimon/index.htm   <—- New web site      

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: Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into : Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding : it fantastically inspiring. : What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ : instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary : Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book : on my list. : What kind of reading inspires you? You might enjoy "The Perfect Storm" by Sebastian Junger – not sports per se but not unlike Into Thin Air as far as the feel, it’s now in paperback. I haven’t read it but "Iron Will" by Mike Plant would probably be a good choice.  Also, "A Rough Ride" by Paul Kimmage, about the seamy underside of the Tour, is apparently in re-issue.  Tinley has a new photo and essays book out.   "Miles From Nowhere" by Barbara Savage is a must read for adventuresome cyclists of all kinds.  Maybe "Off the Map – bicycling across Siberia" by Mark Jenkins too.   How about "Sailing Alone around the World" by Joshua Slocum, vintage 1900.  A classic for sure. "Young Men & Fire" by Norman MacLean, about smokejumpers in an epic fire in Montana.   "Undaunted Courage" – Stephen Ambrose (about Lewis & Clark) And, back to sports related, if you like mystery/thriller/hard-boiled with a liberal dose of humor, check out Harlan Coben’s sports related (but not "about sports") Myron Bolitar series…there are 5 of them.   Not like Krakauer but if you like stuff like Hiaasen (Doubly Whammy is a good…uh…fishing tale) or Elmore Leonard or Robert Crais but with a sports twist they are good fun. Wade Blomgren

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Ooops. So much for my favorite book. I suggested the Oregon Trial, but gave the wrong author! The right name is Parkman, not Parker. Brian Sullivan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding it fantastically inspiring. What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list. What kind of reading inspires you? — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

I just thought of another one that I really enjoyed: Minus 148 Degrees : The First Winter Ascent of Mount McKinley ~  Art Davidson This is a great true story. Jeff

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The ultimate endurance event was crossing the continent before there was RAAM:         The Oregon Trail by Robert Parker Jr. (1846) Only one of the best books I have ever read.          The Journals of Lewis & Clark (1806) for the really nutty also make good reading.         And for those in search of the truly obscure, try The Prairie Traveler by Randolph Marcy. (1859) Very cool handbook for those trying to make it to California. Tidbits of information on the first energy bars, and all sorts of goodies about gear, which should appeal to all triathletes. No info on peeing off a horse, however. Brian Sullivan

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– Was there ever a book or movie about the guy named Kropp (I think) who rode his bike all the way to Kathmandu, summitted Everest in a solo ascent, then rode back home?

Bernie, I don’t know if there was a book or not.  But Kropp did not actually summit Everest.  He came within 350 feet and turned around.  Given the risks involved (as I am now reading in "Into THin Air"), that may have been a very wise decision on his part.  Can you imagine, though, going that far only to turn around within spitting distance of your goal?  It must have taken just as much will power and strength of character to turn around as it did to get that far. To relate this to triathlon: I am reminded of a quote from Robert M. Pirsig’s "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance".     To live only for some future goal is shallow.  It’s the sides of     the mountain which sustain life, not the top.  Here is where things     grow. This is how I like to think of my training.  Sure I have a goal.  I want to complete my first 1/2 IM this season, among other things.  But I try to think of my runs as runs — not as a means to an end.  I want my motivating factor (though it isn’t always so easy) to be my growth and enjoyment of the activity, not the final result.  We spend so much time training and relatively little racing.  Might as well make the most of it.   Perhaps that’s what Kropp realized as he turned around. — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

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What kind of reading inspires you?

Many excellent recommendations so far. He are a few I’d add–mostly natural history, extreme conditions rather than strictly sport: Artic Dreams, Barry Lopez Men’s Lives, Peter Matthiessen Far Tortuga, Peter Matthiessen Ghost Grizzlies, David Petersen Songlines, Bruce Chatwin In Patagonia, Bruce Chatwin Chasing the Horizon: The Life and Times of a Modern Sea Gypsy, Fatty Goodlander (so you think you’ve led a loose, outside-the-mold life?) David

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"Running High" by Hugh Symmonds – a top British fell runner, he ran over all the 3000+ feet mountains in Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland in one continuous traverse in less than 100 days. Something like 2000 miles of running. The whole journey was done on foot, and even the water crossings were done by rowing or by sail, no engines allowed! It’s actually really well written, and quite gripping. An easy day was 18miles, a hard day perhaps 35miles with several thousand feet of ascent. I can recommend the Joe Simpson books, the amazing thing is that anybody will still climb with him. Joel — Joel Sylvester Longest Day ‘98 12:10:33 Me: www.roe.ac.uk/jswww/ Edinburgh Triathletes: www.edintri.u-net.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi.  In another thread Ray Plotecia mentioned reading J. Krakauer’s "Into Thin Air".  I am currently about half way through this book and am finding it fantastically inspiring. What are some other sports-related books — fiction or not, but _not_ instructional — that you can recommend?  I’ve read the "Runner’s Literary Companion" and already have "Into the Wild" (?), another J. Krakauer book on my list. What kind of reading inspires you? — | Lance Ball | Anima Sana in Corpore Sano

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Endurance-there are a couple of books about the (failed) Shackleton journey to the South Pole. It is an unbelievable story about persistence and fortitude. It is also a great example of what champions do best-"fail"-but never give up. It really is the journey and not the destination that makes us what we are. Matt

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I see others have posted "Once a Runner," which is phenomenal, especially reading the part where the narrator does some astounding number of quarter-mile repeats (if I recall correctly) — a very articulate description of the focus and obsession of training.   Also, another one pertaining to climbing — are climbers just more prolific writers than runners or cyclists? — is "Solo Faces" by James Salter.  Again, amazing depiction of mental focus and obsession — even if you know nothing about climbing (I sure don’t) you will immediately recognize much of what’s going on mentally. Mike "should be writing the first great triathlon novel instead of wasting my time in political consulting" Kelly                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           / "You’ve got to get obsessed and stay obsessed."                                     Coach Bob

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Since you mention Into Thin Air, a climbing book, another reliable climbing author is Joe Simpson. His claim to fame is having almost bit the dust, in spectacular fashion, many times. His most famous book, a really good one, is called Touching the Void. Another which is supposed to be good is This Game of Ghosts. Other safe-bet climbing authors are Chris Bon(n?)ington and Greg Child. Incidentally, Into Thin Air has sparked a fairly major controversy: a fellow named Anatoli Boukreev (who is rather unflatteringly portrayed in Into Thin Air) found the book extremely slanted and has written a rebuttal, called The Climb. It’s supposed to be not nearly as well written. Boukreev has since died, climbing.                                         rich

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looking for qualifying times for australian ironman, foster if anyone can help.

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Check out www.ironmanoz.com or www.extremetri.com for ALL Minolta Ironman Australian Triathlon details.

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Scott, Will you be part of the production team again this year?  Your behind-the-scenes look at the race was terrific to read and I’m hoping we’ll get the same for Kona 96. Best, Mark

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I missed it!!!  We left Atlanta Saturday morning for the Calloway Gardens TRI …I set the VCR for 2:30 … got home Sunday afternoon … anxious to watch Ironman ‘95, I headed for the VCR … and realized I had taped two hours of football!!   I should have double-checked the time.. oh well. Question:  Would anyone out there make me a copy?  I’ll be glad to send a tape or $$ for a tape.  With less than 8 weeks to go before my first IM (Great Floridian), I was looking forward to the motivation! Thanks! –Jeff Grant—— Atlanta, Georgia

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<<Scott, Will you be part of the production team again this year? You bet!  The Ironman is my favorite shoot of the year. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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For those of you bemoaning the fact that you missed the rebroadcast of the ‘95 HI Ironman this weekend, don’t be *too* disappointed.  Would you believe they broadcast a cut version?  The original program ran a full 2 hours, including commercials.  Saturday’s presentation was only 90 minutes (including commercials).  They eliminated any and all "extraneous" stuff (i.e., pre-race interviews, the stuff on the age groupers, the repeated showing of Bustos’ crash, etc., etc., etc.) and showed nothing but the pros.  Of course, if you missed it last Fall, this cut version is better than nothing, but it sure strikes me as a crude move for NBC to *cut* an Emmy-award-winning presentation. Or was that only in the SF Bay Area market?  Was the complete program broadcast elsewhere? TriBaby — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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Or was that only in the SF Bay Area market?  Was the complete program broadcast elsewhere?

I think they broadcast the condensed version everywhere because we are down in Orange County.  What a disappointment it was. sue baker

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

Was it just me, or was this weekend’s airing 30 minutes shorter than the original?  I seem to remember the following from the original airing, which were missing from this weekend’s:         * Numerous replays of Bustos’ life-threatening accident         * Closeups of Karen Smyers (training in Walden Pond) and                 Greg Welch (running and goofing around Boulder).         * Other various closeup footage         * some announcer out on the bike course showing his hat                 get blown away. Even though I saw the original airing back in November, I watched this airing and got goosebumps a number of times throughout.  I, personally, think the race is awesome enough to turn any form of its production into a good one.   I also worship Mark Allen more than ever before.  PLUS, this time I noticed the look on his face as he crossed the finish line in first place.  A look of genuine joy — like that of a little boy who gets the puppydog he wanted for Xmas (ok, maybe this is a horrible analogy). I mean, it wasn’t like he was just finishing another day at the office ; truly was his performance awesome, yet his reaction human. I am fairly new to the sport and because of this, have not seen any of the previous years airings of the event and have nothing to compare it to.  Maybe we, here at RST, could put together a list of things we would like to have included in future telecasts of the Ironman, like (brainstorming on) more info on the qualification procedure, the race-day diets of the athletes, the training regimen of the elite athletes versus the age-grouper.  How many athletes actually finish?   More info on the course itself (hell, golf telecasts do this) and on the volunteers involved.  Also, a little bit on the history of the race (why 112 miles?  why this order and who in the hell dreamed this one up?) The dominance of Dave Scott and Mark Allen and what makes them tick.  I am just brainstorming right now, and I agree that it would be hard to squeeze all of this into a 2hour telecast (along with coverage of the actual race!) As any amateur athlete, we agree that multiple telecasts would be ideal: one for the athletes themselves and one for the general couch potato, to draw their attention to the sport and to possibly get them off the couch!  I ramble. Anyway, watching the telecast was a perfect was to cool down from my saturday morning long ride — I just wish I could do it this way more often! Mark Johnson

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Try and get a copy of Mike Plants "Ironwill". It has a great deal of history on the Ironman itself and some profiles of the pioneers of the sport. Also an old Triathlon training manual written by Bob Johnson has some interesting reading if you can wade through some of the fads and fantasies.

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<< If you were shooting the women’s race, how did you decide whether to stick with Paula or to follow Karen to the finish? Or did you have two cameras? When it became obvious that we had a rela horse race going and that Karen was closing the gap, I called for another motorcycle camera to cover Karen, since I would miss something if I was bouncing between them.  When Paula sat down, it was an easy decision to stay with her, since the other motorcycle was on Karen and there were at least 3 cameras at the finish line. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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<< Of course, if you missed it last Fall, this cut version is better than nothing, but it sure strikes me as a crude move for NBC to *cut* an Emmy-award-winning presentation. Ever since NBC started airing the Ironman, they have aired a cut-down version of the original long show at a  later date.  Still, that is one more airing than the Superbowl gets, so we can’t complain too loudly. Thanks for the Emmy award reference, but after 3 wins in a row (1992, 1993, and 1994) we didn’t even get nominated this year.  Time to let someone else get a cool statue for the mantle. Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions

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NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

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I’m rather bummed.  I saw this show last Nov., but forgot to tape it.  I REALLY want to watch it again, but I’m off to a football game.  It’s my fiance’s alma mater, so if I don’t go she won’t go to my alma mater’s game.   This compromising stuff is really tough!  Oh…and my VCR is broken. This has brought up another thought that reoccurs here.  Is there any way that NBC or the production company could produce alonger, uncut video for sale???  Granted, it wouldn’t sell millions, but most triathletes would pay big bucks for such a video.  Heck, I’d even love to watch home videos of the Ironman! Marty – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NBC is re-airing the 1995 Ironman World Triathlon Championship this Saturday, August 31.  In Denver it airs at 12:30pm, which can be extrapolated to mean live around the country: 2:30 edt 1:30 cdt 12:30 mdt 11:30 pdt Of course, your mileage may vary, so consult your local listings. For those who forgot, this is the show that created a lot of controversy here on r.s.t., regarding its "MTVish" look and the amount of time devoted to Paula Newby-Fraser’s pain and suffering near the finish line.  You be the judge.  I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with the word "sucks" Scott Ogle/Equinox Productions (looking forward to another visit to Kona in october)

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I caught the last hour of the event and hate that I didn’t tape it.  Would you know if it’s available on tape or any other Tri event?  When will 1996 Ironman be televised? Thanks, Danita New York

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: I’m the cameraman responsible for shooting the women’s race : (you can spot me in the tape several times if you closely).  I will be : happy to discuss the show with anyone who doesn’t start his comments with : the word "sucks" Just yesterday I watched the Paula N-F. finish portion.  Whew.  Scary stuff.  But she really is awesome.  If you were shooting the women’s race, how did you decide whether to stick with Paula or to follow Karen to the finish? Or did you have two cameras?  This part of the coverage seemed just a little choppy, but that was understandable.               Starbound page:  http://www.mcs.net/~tshell/enright.htm

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get –<snip–

I regularly keep late hours and must be in class by 7:15am each day.  So am training for me means _early_ training.  I’m just like the rest of you, I love it after the first mile…if I ever get past the front door! As a triathlete, I tend to train alone much of the time, but one thing that used to work for me was a training partner (actually I was on a team in college–lots of training partners).  If all else has failed you, try this.  It’s good motivation and committing to someone that you’ll "be there" might be the ticket. Richard Richard Wagers Parker College of Chiropractic Through education I learn to do by choice what other men do by constraints of fear.                         –Aristotle

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Brian, I’ve been doing the same routine as you for a long time now! but unlike you I have coffee. I log onto the network and surf and read for 1/5 hour or more and then hit the roads with anywhere from 3 to 6 miles or ride 20-30! Glad to hear I’m on the right track! Jeff Andres

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

Motivation.  Personally I’m not a very a very motivated person at 6am and so prefer to train in the afternoon or early evening.  However I’ll occassionally train in the AM because I’m motivated to do so because: 1. Its usually a little safer to ride in the morning 2. The tri-club bike ride on a Sunday morning stops at the cake shop that makes     fantastic bluebery muffins and expresso coffee’s 3. Its 6am and my training partner (who woke up with the idea that I’m not     training enough and that I should go on an early morning run with him) is     bashing on the door like a Norse Warrior trying to ransack a castle. 4. The wife wants the car for the day and I have to ride to work. AJ — Simon Haigh, Information Consultant – Web Services Group     BHP Information Technology                                 151-155 King Street Warrawong NSW 2502, AUSTRALIA        

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Here is what I did: When my Wife quit her job to go back to school, I decided to get up with her they we will drive together. The only problem is that she gets up at 6:30. The first month it was hard, I mean morning, lunchtime or evening workout was hard… But I got used to it. It has been now 2 years since we started doing that and I even get uyp early during the week end. WHAT (I heard screaming…) Yes, I sleep in until 8:30 then workout during the week ends. The trade off is that if you had a social life, it’s over since you need 9 hours of sleep… Who is the trigeek who’s got a social life anyway? Social life is during workouts and after races, right? The big advantage is that when you have a race in the morning and you have to wake up at 4am to get there, you sleep only 7 hours instead of 9, and you are used to get to bed early! Of yeah, I forgot… I love that life style. Right now in Seattle, it is in the 80s at lunch time, so I run at 7:00, there is nobody and it is cooler… — fabien "ZeBigFrenchMan" For the joy of Triing

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When I do a morning workout I arrive at work about 1-1 1/2 hours early and bike or run from there.  If you don’t have shower facilities at your work this wont work (that is unless your coworkers like the smell of B.O.) Bring something easy to eat after your body cools down, bagels work great!                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / Tri-On The only legal draft should come from hops and barley. WEB (Robert Webster) Waukegan, IL

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!?

It is 5:59 am, and I am just finishing up reading RST. On Saturday and Sunday, I always start with reading email and rst before working out at 6:30. Makes it easier to get out of bed, let’s the body wake up. I like OJ instead of coffee, but that gets to do its job too. Try it. Brian Sullivan

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: I know exactly how you feel.  ’Early morning’ for me is anything before : noon.  I set out my gear the night before and put it on immediately after : the first buzzer.  The key for me is ‘absolutely no thinking until I’m out : the door’.  If I think about whether I’d rather sleep or train — sleep : wins until it’s too late to do anything but train.  ;-) Exactly.  However, I’ve had the good fortune for the last year to work 1-10pm.  This lets me get up when I want to (8-9am) and still get in a solid morning of training.  Hard to train after a hard day of work, but not nearly as hard to "work" after a hard morning of training.  ;-) — Jason Mayfield     Arlington, VA http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa Sick & Twisted Site of the Day: http://dufus.westga.edu/~zooropa/sick.html "Do or do not, there is no ‘try’"  - Yoda     14 Days Until Ironman Canada

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

I am a night person so I have a hell of a time making it to those early morning weekend swims, especially when I do the quick math underneath the flannel sheets and figure out that water temp. < air temp!! About 6 months ago I wanted to start getting some workouts in the morning so I wouldn’t have to back-to-back stuff after work.  I was actually anal retentive enough to sit down and figure out why I never got my fuzzy butt out of bed early enough.   Here’s what I came up with, maybe you fit it here too… 1) Not enough sleep.  We triathletes somehow think we can squeeze all of those training hours in and still do everything that "normal" people do!  This may include family time, tv, hanging out w/ friends, doing errands, etc.  I need a solid 7 hours and I find that after training and doing all of the other stuff, I’m going to bed way too late.  Even midnight is too late to get enough sleep and still squeeze a morning workout in. 2) Caffeine.  I’ve found that I usually consume this great stuff in some form either at dinner, coffee shops or just hanging around in the evening.  I don’t get wired from it (I *don’t* have a problem, really!) but it does keep me from feeling tired when I should be. 3) Late swim workouts.  Our evening pool time is 7-9 and no matter how tired I am before the workout, I find myself bouncing off of the walls for at least a couple of hours afterwards.  Cycling and running don’t have this effect but swimming does.   Since I don’t have a choice of times to swim during the week, I avoid scheduling morning workouts the day after being in the pool.   Happy training, Scott

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|No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout |before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out |the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely |make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, |setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any |"non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself |to get out there in the predawn!? I know exactly how you feel.  ’Early morning’ for me is anything before noon.  I set out my gear the night before and put it on immediately after the first buzzer.  The key for me is ‘absolutely no thinking until I’m out the door’.  If I think about whether I’d rather sleep or train — sleep wins until it’s too late to do anything but train.  ;-) Another trick is to workout twice a day, morning and evening.  I do run or bike in the morning and soccer + swim in the evening, though I usually skip run or bike on soccer days. – Tim Iverson

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!? TRI-ed it….LIKED it!

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No matter how many times I set my alarm to get up and fit in a workout before work, about 90% of the time I end up back in bed! Once I get out the door, and onto the trail or into the pool, I feel great, I just rarely make it that far. I’ve tried 2 alarms, moving the alarms across the room, setting the downstairs tv to come on automatically, none of it works! Any "non-morning" triathlets out there have any secrets for "forcing" yourself to get out there in the predawn!?

I hate waking up at 5AM!  But it’s a necessity while training for an Ironman race (need to get those double workouts).  Plus I can’t workout at night because I’m too tired by the time I get home.   My Motivation Tool:  Guilt Trips!  Every time that alarm clock goes off at 5:15AM and I want to skip an 8 mile run, I tell myself that I will live to regret it during the 19th mile of the marathon.  If I don’t finish it’s all because I skipped that run on Tuesday, August 6th (yeah it was a recent guilt trip). Good Luck (plus it always helps getting a good night sleep). Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Florida

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