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we have enough ’serious’ types here who hate the USAT enough that they pay the $7 day use rather than be a member.

If they hate them, why give them their money.  I think USAT is kind of dumb, but since I do more than 3 races a year I would rather save money and aggravation and just give them their $25.  Don’t cut off the nose to spite the face. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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You can beat Michellie Jones?  1/3rd of the elite men couldn’t keep up with her at Alcatraz. Getting beat and getting passed on the bike are two different things. Women have the biggest comparative advantage on the swim, so in general when men get beat by women, they get beat out of the water and just never catch up.  I really doubt if Michellie Jones could ride a faster bike split than any but a few pro men.

Well, it’s pretty easy to look it up, and you’re wrong. She was 43rd on the swim, 44th on the bike, 25th on the run, and 24th overall. 2 elite men and 2 elite women had a faster bike split, but slower overall. She took people out on the run, and also during the half mile T1 run.  She passed 14 AGers after the swim.  There were 948 men in a field that is far more competitive than the norm for triathlon.   The alcatraz bike course would steer us back to those questions of power to weight ratios, as it involves several climbs up and descents down.   The advantage men may enjoy on the bike is not as important on this course, not compared to the need for skillful descending.   And this is a triathlon, not a bicycle race, so one really shouldn’t be worried about who’s passing on the bike.  Some courses have wave starts, others has loops.  Who knows what those other people are doing, unless they’re in your division.  Do your own race.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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If they hate them, why give them their money.  I think USAT is kind of dumb, but since I do more than 3 races a year I would rather save money and aggravation and just give them their $25.  Don’t cut off the nose to spite the face.

Some people would rather pay higher prices for groceries than participate in a frequent user program with their name on it.  Their call.  The price for not being an annual member of USAT would be $10 (for 5 races) and no ranking.   One could avoid all USAT events entirely, but that wouldn’t leave many organized races, and would probably hurt the RD more.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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I don’t think I ever got passed by a woman on the bike or run, but I have been beaten by women.

You’re obviously not entering the same tris that the rest of us are.

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but I have been beaten by women.

How much did you have to pay them for it?

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Brian Wagner wrote…

| | but I have been beaten by women. | | How much did you have to pay them for it? Once again Brian demonstrates that one’s life is only as dull as one’s imagination! stacy hills reston, va

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can beat Michellie Jones?  1/3rd of the elite men couldn’t keep up with her at Alcatraz. Getting beat and getting passed on the bike are two different things. Women have the biggest comparative advantage on the swim, so in general when men get beat by women, they get beat out of the water and just never catch up.  I really doubt if Michellie Jones could ride a faster bike split than any but a few pro men. Well, it’s pretty easy to look it up, and you’re wrong. She was 43rd on the swim, 44th on the bike, 25th on the run, and 24th overall. 2 elite men and 2 elite women had a faster bike split, but slower overall. She took people out on the run, and also during the half mile T1 run.  She passed 14 AGers after the swim.  There were 948 men in a field that is far more competitive than the norm for triathlon.

You are talking about one woman in one particular race that is highly atypical.  Long swim, short bike and relatively long run.   The results of this one race prove me neither wrong or right.   Nice research.

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If they hate them, why give them their money.  I think USAT is kind of dumb, but since I do more than 3 races a year I would rather save money and aggravation and just give them their $25.  Don’t cut off the nose to spite the face. Some people would rather pay higher prices for groceries than participate in a frequent user program with their name on it.  Their call.  The price for not being an annual member of USAT would be $10 (for 5 races) and no ranking.

Some people would rather post on this newsgroup than train.

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I don’t think I ever got passed by a woman on the bike or run, but I have been beaten by women. You’re obviously not entering the same tris that the rest of us are.

You’re right, I only chose the most obscure races to do, ones that most normal triathletes would never think to compete in.  I did not include Tupper Lake since flat tires severely impacted my finish time. Blackwater Traverse Duathlon 350 finishers, 6 women beat me Columbia Triathlon 1056 finishers,  4 women beat me Hyannis Sprint 792 finishers, no women beat me Falmouth Sprint 529 finishers 1 woman beat me Timberman 1/2 IM 702 finishers 6 women beat me What races do you do?  I regards to my initial statement I think I do recall getting passed by a couple of women on the bike at Traverse, only to come back and torch them on the run.  Please don’t construe this as any type of grandstanding I am just try to prove a point that it is not very common for men to get passed by women on the bike or the run.  I feel like I am a good example, since I am only mediocre and hardly any women at all beat me, and with the exception of Timberman and Traverse, the only reason they beat me is because I swim like a rock. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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I agree, especially since it happens all the time in triathlon. The real shame is that in this day and age there are still guys who have this kind of an attitude. ALL guys have this kind of attitude at some point in their life.  It’s called puberty.

As someone who prides himself on his logic, Brian should know better than to make absolute statements like that. Few such statements are true, and his statement above is not one of the true ones. -Harold

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Does anybody have any idea of the percentage of people doing triatheletes are serious (IE: train every week, etc) versus the recreational participants.  It seems you see a lot of people on beat up old bicycles with out any aero bars.

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I don’t know about numbers, but don’t let equipment fool you.  There are quite a few "recreational" triathletes with top level kits.   Likewise, there are a number of very good racers who might use old bikes, although most of these people would use aerobars. I like this thread, but I am guessing most of the people on this newsgroup are "serious" in that they at least follow some sort of regular regimen, so there may be little response from the "rec" types. Dan Empfield did an article on slowtwitch.com a while back trying to estimate the number of US triathletes, and broke down into groups of regular vs. occasional athletes in his discussion.  Try looking up that article it might give you what you are looking for. Other thing is try looking at race results.  Sometimes they have USAT numbers for the athletes.  Safe to assume anyone without a license is highly likely to be "recreational"

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Does anybody have any idea of the percentage of people doing triatheletes are serious (IE: train every week, etc) versus the recreational participants.

Any of the "recreational" tri folks that I know train a minimum of three or four sessions per week. Many train even more. Unfortunately sometimes things like jobs, other interests and family commitments tend to interfere. It seems you see a lot of people on beat up old bicycles with out any aero bars.

What’s really scarey is when people on these old bikes win their age groups. I’ve seen this happen on a number of occassions. In one race on my old road bike I passed a guy on a brand new Cervelo P3 and then later was passed by a woman on a hybrid fitted with road tires. Some tri-geeks tend to be techno-nerds but the truth is that it’s not the equipment that wins races.

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Other thing is try looking at race results.  Sometimes they have USAT numbers for the athletes.  Safe to assume anyone without a license is highly likely to be "recreational"

I’ve never seen usat numbers listed in the results.  Wouldn’t matter; we have enough ’serious’ types here who hate the USAT enough that they pay the $7 day use rather than be a member. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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My niece just did her first triathelete and she used a brand new bicycle to do it on.  She had purchased a $300 mtb a few weeks before and decided at the last minute to switch to a road bicycle.  What she didn’t know about bicycles would cover a set of encyclopedias.  I think her total training on the bicycle was equivalent to less than 200 miles.  Despite this she still came in ahead of a bunch of people who apparently were even slower than her. The guy at the department store where she bought the first bicycle actually told her that you couldn’t take the wheels off.  I ended up showing her how to do it. Your right that it is not the equipment that wins the race however I haven’t noticed many Iron man winners that won on mtb bicycles and that swam without wetsuits. By the way when you are passed by a woman on a bicycle it is time to do a little more training.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody have any idea of the percentage of people doing triatheletes are serious (IE: train every week, etc) versus the recreational participants. Any of the "recreational" tri folks that I know train a minimum of three or four sessions per week. Many train even more. Unfortunately sometimes things like jobs, other interests and family commitments tend to interfere. It seems you see a lot of people on beat up old bicycles with out any aero bars. What’s really scarey is when people on these old bikes win their age groups. I’ve seen this happen on a number of occassions. In one race on my old road bike I passed a guy on a brand new Cervelo P3 and then later was passed by a woman on a hybrid fitted with road tires. Some tri-geeks tend to be techno-nerds but the truth is that it’s not the equipment that wins races.

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By the way when you are passed by a woman on a bicycle it is time to do a little more training.

You can beat Michellie Jones?  1/3rd of the elite men couldn’t keep up with her at Alcatraz.   Only two age groupers finished ahead, and by less than a minute.   Face it, there are some fast women in these events, best to put your pride away, especially as you get older.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Face it, there are some fast women in these events, best to put your pride away, especially as you get older.

Once the testosterone takes hold, there’s nothing you can do about it.

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I don’t really consider myself a "serious" triathlete because I don’t compete with the elite groups.  I am usually within the top 15% of my age-group.  I train, at least, 5 times a week (at lunch usually).  I usually compete 5 or 6 times a season with focus on one race.  The 6 – 8 weeks before my focus race, I train 6 days a week, twice a day. I don’t consider myself serious because I have a full time job and I’m a full time father of a seven year old boy.  Most of my friends consider me "a serious triathlete".  I guess it’s a matter of perspective.

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By the way when you are passed by a woman on a bicycle it is time to do a little more training.

What a completely idiotic statement! Why don’t you go check out the bike splits for some of the top women and then do a little more training yourself. There are a lot of fantastic female athletes, and getting passed or beaten by them is no cause for shame. -Harold

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What a completely idiotic statement! Why don’t you go check out the bike splits for some of the top women and then do a little more training yourself.

Come on, now, relax.  If you’re not guilty, at some point in your life history, of similar idiocy, then, either you’re female, or you haven’t experienced puberty yet.

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There are a lot of fantastic female athletes, and getting passed or beaten by them is no cause for shame.

I agree, especially since it happens all the time in triathlon. The real shame is that in this day and age there are still guys who have this kind of an attitude.

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I agree, especially since it happens all the time in triathlon. The real shame is that in this day and age there are still guys who have this kind of an attitude.

ALL guys have this kind of attitude at some point in their life.  It’s called puberty.

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Face it, there are some fast women in these events, best to put your pride away, especially as you get older. Once the testosterone takes hold, there’s nothing you can do about it.

It’s a big problem for the lanesplitter motorcyclist too.  Nothing more likely to get you plastered than seeing a biker chick going faster. — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Face it, there are some fast women in these events, best to put your pride away, especially as you get older. Once the testosterone takes hold, there’s nothing you can do about it. It’s a big problem for the lanesplitter motorcyclist too.  Nothing more likely to get you plastered than seeing a biker chick going faster.

Life is rough.

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By the way when you are passed by a woman on a bicycle it is time to do a little more training. You can beat Michellie Jones?  1/3rd of the elite men couldn’t keep up with her at Alcatraz.

Getting beat and getting passed on the bike are two different things. Women have the biggest comparative advantage on the swim, so in general when men get beat by women, they get beat out of the water and just never catch up.  I really doubt if Michellie Jones could ride a faster bike split than any but a few pro men. I don’t think I ever got passed by a woman on the bike or run, but I have been beaten by women. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Thanks, I needed that laugh today. Very funny story! Rick Weaver Fellowship of Christian Athletes Christian Runner’s Fellowship http://www.lvfca.org  At this point I caught up to the mountain biker and slowly – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – passed him as he was trying to hold me off. As I went by I held the turtle toward him and made a comment along the lines of "ever been passed by a turtle on the bike ??"  Sorry for the rambling, guess you had to be there to see the look on his face.

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        My wife and I did a duathlon last year and we took of the old knobbies and added some higher pressure slick type. It made a rather large difference and only cost about 20-30 bucks a bike.         I agree if your going to try to be competitive or plan on doing it regularly a new bike is in order. I found I could keep up with or even pass alot of the road bikes going up the hills. I’m assuming because of gearing or I was just in better shape. However on the flats or down hill the same bike would blow me away. ~Matt – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -This is probably a better question for rec.bicycles.tech. But I’ll get you started. First step is to find slick tires for your rim size, easy to find at any bike shop or on line at performance or bike nashbar. You could replace your handle bars with drop (racing) style bars or keep them. In either case you’d do well to find a pair of aerobars that you can attach to your handle bars. If you keep your mountain bike bars a nice addition may be bar ends so you can have more and aerodynamic hand positions. The biggest problem is that mountain bikes weigh so much more than a regular road bike. Change any part that weighs more than it has to, for example front shock absorber. Total cost if you go with the aerobars, new tires could be around 100 bucks. Add another hundred if you go for the bar ends and replace the front fork. Another nice addition would be clippless pedals. About 50-75 depending on system you get. Add another 80 for a nice pair of shoes. But if you are going out to have fun then you won’t find a problem. If you find that you love duathlon then spend around $700 for a nice entry level road bike. Or you could find mountain bike duathlons. They are around and a hell of alot of fun. Andy Does anybody know anything about covering mountain bikes into street bikes? I have an old Schwinn High Plains from my college years and I was thinking about converting it and then maybe trying some duathons. Can it be done? Do I just need to switch tire & tubes? Different handle bar configuration? Please advise.

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The biggest problem is that mountain bikes weigh so much more than a regular road bike. Change any part that weighs more than it has to, for example front shock absorber

I’d start with the rims.  The weight of the wheels themselves (since you are expending effort to spin them) is more important than shaving ounces off the static parts of the bike.

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As a long term road biker, I had occasion a few years ago to convert an entry level steel MTB for road use, as well as dirt.  No the sort of thing one would normally do for triathlon training, but worth considering in some locations. Wider tires offer more cushioning and freedom from worrying about surface conditons.  Getting HP slicks can help.  I find that on group road rides, the MTB tires are a bit loud and can distract others. Pressures of 60-80 are sufficient for wider tires vs. the 100-120 pressures in road tires.  When riding with very slow riders, reduce the pressure (30 psi?) and use lower gears. Adding drops and aero bars requires some attention to bar diameter differences between Mt. and road stems, but you can find what you need with the help of a good bike shop.  Dropped handlebars offer soo much more comfort on long touring rides and would appear on more MTB’s but for the mass appeal to first time buyers of the straight bar.  So, they add various extensions to try and improve them, with some small benefit. Road brake levers used to have much less range than MTB levers, so you need to be certain the levers you get will work with your brakes. Ditto with shift levers if not integrated into the brakes.  Bar end shift levers do just fine. New MTB’s are much much cheaper than road bikes.  Further, the gears generally work very well.  Do not be suckered into believing you need to pay more.  My MTB costs less than a new pair of pedals on the road bikes. The extra weight and possible tire drag add to the challenge and are great for training.  Only when a performance improvement of a few percent matters do you want to bother with the lighter machines. MTB frame sizes differ substantially.  18 inches vs. 24/25 inches.  So getting the right fit might require some planning.  Some bike shops can fit you for a road bike and then determine what stem size you need for drops on a MTB, etc. Be careful riding with competitive groups.  They get quite antsy when you join their pace lines on a converted MTB.  Mostly, they have an inflated opinion of the role of bicycle weight on performance, and cannot believe you will stay with them.  They certainly do not want you to stay with them. For the person with the mechanical interest, used bikes and parts can be great value.  A good 1980’s, 1990’s, 1970’s (1960’s?) bike may weight a few ounces more, require you to reach shifters on the down tube, and need upgraded pedals.  Almost no one needs a nine sprocket freewheel.  You can get 90 percent of the function with less than 10 percent of the cost.  Further, labor costs in bike shops are the lowest of any service I ever encounter. Find one of the thousands of cyclists who have purchased a $3,000 piece of art and should really sell their previous models.  To them, they have little value.  Quite often they can advise on any maintenance and refitting. What size are you? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know anything about covering mountain bikes into street bikes? I have an old Schwinn High Plains from my college years and I was thinking about converting it and then maybe trying some duathons. Can it be done? Do I just need to switch tire & tubes? Different handle bar configuration? Please advise.

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Does anybody know anything about covering mountain bikes into street bikes? I have an old Schwinn High Plains from my college years and I was thinking about converting it and then maybe trying some duathons. Can it be done? Do I just need to switch tire & tubes? Different handle bar configuration? Please advise.

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  Unless you’re doing it purely for recreational value, don’t bother.  You can’t make a sumo wrestler into a miler just but cutting out a few cupcakes here and there.   Seriously, they’re just too heavy and configured wrong.  You’re better off finding a really cheap, old road bike and fixing that up.  When I got into duathlons I picked up a $200 bike and was really happy with what I got.  You could probably get 90% of that performance for half the price too. Andy Hass – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know anything about covering mountain bikes into street bikes? I have an old Schwinn High Plains from my college years and I was thinking about converting it and then maybe trying some duathons. Can it be done? Do I just need to switch tire & tubes? Different handle bar configuration? Please advise.

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This is probably a better question for rec.bicycles.tech. But I’ll get you started. First step is to find slick tires for your rim size, easy to find at any bike shop or on line at performance or bike nashbar. You could replace your handle bars with drop (racing) style bars or keep them. In either case you’d do well to find a pair of aerobars that you can attach to your handle bars. If you keep your mountain bike bars a nice addition may be bar ends so you can have more and aerodynamic hand positions. The biggest problem is that mountain bikes weigh so much more than a regular road bike. Change any part that weighs more than it has to, for example front shock absorber. Total cost if you go with the aerobars, new tires could be around 100 bucks. Add another hundred if you go for the bar ends and replace the front fork. Another nice addition would be clippless pedals. About 50-75 depending on system you get. Add another 80 for a nice pair of shoes. But if you are going out to have fun then you won’t find a problem. If you find that you love duathlon then spend around $700 for a nice entry level road bike. Or you could find mountain bike duathlons. They are around and a hell of alot of fun. Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Does anybody know anything about covering mountain bikes into street bikes? I have an old Schwinn High Plains from my college years and I was thinking about converting it and then maybe trying some duathons. Can it be done? Do I just need to switch tire & tubes? Different handle bar configuration? Please advise.

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You can simulate the correct position with seatpost and stem tweaks. Just make sure you can ride comfortably in your new aero position. Also, be wary of hilly courses due to the overall weight of the bike . . . however the mtn bikes are geared more toward this type of riding also but it will catch up with you. As mentioned above, get aero bars, slicks and find a comfortable aero position – swing for pedals if you can (require the purchase of biking shoes if you don’t have any). When I think of mtn bikers on the road, I always remember an incident that happened to me a few years back. I was on my road bike with a friend who was struggling and low and behold, we were passed by a guy on a mtn. bike. Prior to being passed, I had stopped and picked up a box turtle that was on the road to take home for my boys (it’s hard to carry a turtle 20 miles on a road bike). At any rate, we hit a very long straight section of highway with the mtn bike a few hundred yards ahead. At this point I caught up to the mountain biker and slowly passed him as he was trying to hold me off. As I went by I held the turtle toward him and made a comment along the lines of "ever been passed by a turtle on the bike ??"  Sorry for the rambling, guess you had to be there to see the look on his face.

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I appreciate everyones thoughts about my moderate use of marijuana during training. Triathletes seem to be people who thrive on information when comes to athletic performance. Simply put, the more-the better, and there is plenty out there, we all know. Websites, magazines, etc. give us all the data about what’s important, what can help us get faster, get leaner, get stronger…get better. From the responses I have recieved it is obvious that the triahtletes that use this newsgroup do not condone the use of marijuana to enhance performance. Ethical questions come to mind however that are related to our cultures perception of morality and what we define as acceptable. It is this: How many of us drink coffee or tea? Use aspirin or ibuprofin? Drink beer or wine? Had a cortisone injection to treat an injury? Aren’t these all drugs that have been, and are, used to enhance performance? We’ve read about the purported benefits of caffeine before an event. Aspirin and ibuprofin block pain and reduce inflammation so we can get back to training sooner with a decreased risk of injury. Alcohol, (where to begin) is used moderately by most athletes I know after a race or at night with dinner, to relax, which is indirectly affects our feelings about performance, and ourselves. We all know the argument. As mentioned before Triathletes are sponges for information and believe very strongly in scientific data to guide their training and racing efforts.  My point is this, and it’s more of a challenge really. Can anyone come up with data or information that marijuana use is detrimental to endurance athletic performance. I’ve read many opinions, I enjoy reading them, and value EVERY ONE of them, PLEASE believe that, but has anyone read or seen any studies or have credible information about this topic. Remember, I’m one of you, I’m a nerd too. I need information about this, not just condemnation. Looking forward, BH

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I am only able to speak for myself, but so far coffee, tea, and sugar haven’t landed me in a mental hospital. Alcohol and drugs, including marijuana, have. If it works for you, go for it. Enjoy. I kind of wish it did for me. However, I can’t seem to do those things without my life becoming totally unmanageable, not when I’m high, (that always worked just fine) but when I’m not. Therefore, I forego the use of them. Coffee, tea, sugar, ibuprofen….so far they haven’t landed me in the nuthouse. If they ever do, I’ll give’m up too. Mike "damn, it’s been nearly 14 years now" Schwing

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I appreciate everyones thoughts about my moderate use of marijuana during training. Triathletes seem to be people who thrive on information when comes to athletic performance. Simply put, the more-the better, and there is plenty out there, we all know. Websites, magazines, etc. give us all the data about what’s important, what can help us get faster, get leaner, get stronger…get better. From the responses I have recieved it is obvious that the triahtletes that use this newsgroup do not condone the use of marijuana to enhance performance. Ethical questions come to mind however that are related to our cultures perception of morality and what we define as acceptable. It is this: How many of us drink coffee or tea? Use aspirin or ibuprofin? Drink beer or wine? Had a cortisone injection to treat an injury? Aren’t these all drugs that have been, and are, used to enhance performance? We’ve read about the purported benefits of caffeine before an event. Aspirin and ibuprofin block pain and reduce inflammation so we can get back to training sooner with a decreased risk of injury. Alcohol, (where to begin) is used moderately by most athletes I know after a race or at night with dinner, to relax, which is indirectly affects our feelings about performance, and ourselves. We all know the argument. As mentioned before Triathletes are sponges for information and believe very strongly in scientific data to guide their training and racing efforts. My point is this, and it’s more of a challenge really. Can anyone come up with data or information that marijuana use is detrimental to endurance athletic performance. I’ve read many opinions, I enjoy reading them, and value EVERY ONE of them, PLEASE believe that, but has anyone read or seen any studies or have credible information about this topic. Remember, I’m one of you, I’m a nerd too. I need information about this, not just condemnation. Looking forward, BH

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whoa –  who doesn’t love burning a doober now and then?  i thought this sport was all about good vibes beach boys (and girls) going out and having fun.  i think anything in moderation is ok.  i mean, i say no to the heroin, but if my training slate is clean for a while i’ll have a few beers after a race or i’ll maybe smoke a joint. anyway, the points on caffeine and so on are all extremely valid.  i personally don’t drink coffee but live in toronto where it seems a new Starbucks springs up every day.  this is quite clearly based on serious physical and mental dependence.  ie., addiction.  think about it, how many of you feel like crap in a cheap suit until you’ve had a few cups of coffee in the morning?  and afternoon?  and evening?  you can’t think straight, your hands get a bit trembly, you’re sluggish and slow.   ever tried quitting caffeine cold turkey? someone who smokes the occassional joint recreationally, (and i think that’s what we’re talking about here, not twice-a-day chronic types) however, cannot develop any physical dependence and only in extremely rare cases will they develop mental dependence.  in my estimation these cases are based not on chemical dependence but on a desire to avoid reality, and if marijuana wasn’t the drug, something would be or already has been. i really hate to sound like some kind of "Legalize It Man!" hippie, because i’m really not, but as an anthropologist i recognize that to a certain extent caffeine, alcohol, and pain killers are accepted drugs whereas marijuana is a stigmatized one. this stigmatization, though, is not necessarily based on the potential harm inflicted by these drugs.  in fact most doctors will tell you that if you have to become hooked on one, it’s better pot than booze. (actually, it’s better none at all, but you get the point)   i think that your average wealthy-middle-aged-suburban-professional demographic triathlete is waaaay more comfortable with having a socially acceptable Chianti, though, than spending the same amount on pot.  have a look at sports with different demographics like mountain biking or snowboarding though. . . all my pontification said, i do remember reading somewhere that using marijuana (and i have no idea what amnt or what potency) will diminish lung capacity for about 24hrs.  whereas alcohol in *moderation* taken regularly is supposed to be good for the heart and blood. my several cents – mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I appreciate everyones thoughts about my moderate use of marijuana during training. Triathletes seem to be people who thrive on information when comes to athletic performance. Simply put, the more-the better, and there is plenty out there, we all know. Websites, magazines, etc. give us all the data about what’s important, what can help us get faster, get leaner, get stronger…get better. From the responses I have recieved it is obvious that the triahtletes that use this newsgroup do not condone the use of marijuana to enhance performance. Ethical questions come to mind however that are related to our cultures perception of morality and what we define as acceptable. It is this: How many of us drink coffee or tea? Use aspirin or ibuprofin? Drink beer or wine? Had a cortisone injection to treat an injury? Aren’t these all drugs that have been, and are, used to enhance performance? We’ve read about the purported benefits of caffeine before an event. Aspirin and ibuprofin block pain and reduce inflammation so we can get back to training sooner with a decreased risk of injury. Alcohol, (where to begin) is used moderately by most athletes I know after a race or at night with dinner, to relax, which is indirectly affects our feelings about performance, and ourselves. We all know the argument. As mentioned before Triathletes are sponges for information and believe very strongly in scientific data to guide their training and racing efforts.  My point is this, and it’s more of a challenge really. Can anyone come up with data or information that marijuana use is detrimental to endurance athletic performance. I’ve read many opinions, I enjoy reading them, and value EVERY ONE of them, PLEASE believe that, but has anyone read or seen any studies or have credible information about this topic. Remember, I’m one of you, I’m a nerd too. I need information about this, not just condemnation. Looking forward, BH

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So the only way you can achieve these is though getting stoned? Bummer for you. Phil (Clean as a whistle and proud of it) Squire

| Peace of mind and enjoyment of life are pretty good "risks" I think. BH SNIP

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    There are no studies that show any evidence of pot giving any respiratory benefits whatsoever, esp. for endurance athletes.  In fact, studies are conclusive in showing the serious drawbacks to smoking dope to your respiratory system.     Now, if it’s your cup of tea to receive "peace of mind and enjoyment of life" from smokin’ pot, that’s your choice and I have no qualms with that. Personally, I think others on this list serv. should discover similar outlets other than training and racing.  I’ve discovered over the years just how overbearing and zealous many triathletes can be about their sport, practically to the point of religion.  A great deal many uptight individuals take their sport to such high grounds that they make unnecessary and irreparable (sp?) sacrifices just for the sake of keeping in good training mode, trying to qualify for nationals, Ironman, etc.  As a result, divorces, alienation from friends and family, and deterioration of a healthy psyche result.     As a good medicine for myself and for my wife, I’ve discovered a means to relax and enjoy life a little more.  And if that meant backing off a little on training, I’m more than happy to do so.  That doesn’t necessarily involve toking up on a three-foot bong, but I have no problems with those who do. Just don’t expect it to enhance performance. Mark Luttrell – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – So the only way you can achieve these is though getting stoned? Bummer for you. Phil (Clean as a whistle and proud of it) Squire | Peace of mind and enjoyment of life are pretty good "risks" I think. BH SNIP

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Only dopes smoke dope.         Sargent Stedanko

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you need a drug to enjoy life, you arent training hard enough. Peace of mind and enjoyment of life are pretty good "risks" I think. BH Bill, I would say that your viewpoint is equally one sided.  Your perception that "it helps" is not supported by any studies or tests that I’m aware of. What sorts of tests have you conducted to confirm that your perception is reality? At one time, cyclists would smoke cigarettes competition thinking that it opened up their lungs.  We know that’s bogus now but they were convinced. If you’re looking for agreement, you probably won’t find here.  I expect there’s more than one person here that’s burns an occasional doobie but I doubt that even they will claim that it benefits their athletic ability.  Even if we yield to the idea that there is some benefit, is it really worth the risks of long term damage from just the smoke alone? Larry I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS. I’m sorry if this upsets some of you, all I know is my experience. If members here want to comment, fine. But don’t pretend to know anything about this area simply based on stereotypes and shallow speculation. Please. BH

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Peace of mind and enjoyment of life are pretty good "risks" I think. BH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bill, I would say that your viewpoint is equally one sided.  Your perception that "it helps" is not supported by any studies or tests that I’m aware of.   What sorts of tests have you conducted to confirm that your perception is reality? At one time, cyclists would smoke cigarettes competition thinking that it opened up their lungs.  We know that’s bogus now but they were convinced. If you’re looking for agreement, you probably won’t find here.  I expect there’s more than one person here that’s burns an occasional doobie but I doubt that even they will claim that it benefits their athletic ability.  Even if we yield to the idea that there is some benefit, is it really worth the risks of long term damage from just the smoke alone? Larry I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS. I’m sorry if this upsets some of you, all I know is my experience. If members here want to comment, fine. But don’t pretend to know anything about this area simply based on stereotypes and shallow speculation. Please. BH

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If you need a drug to enjoy life, you arent training hard enough. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Peace of mind and enjoyment of life are pretty good "risks" I think. BH Bill, I would say that your viewpoint is equally one sided.  Your perception that "it helps" is not supported by any studies or tests that I’m aware of.   What sorts of tests have you conducted to confirm that your perception is reality? At one time, cyclists would smoke cigarettes competition thinking that it opened up their lungs.  We know that’s bogus now but they were convinced. If you’re looking for agreement, you probably won’t find here.  I expect there’s more than one person here that’s burns an occasional doobie but I doubt that even they will claim that it benefits their athletic ability.  Even if we yield to the idea that there is some benefit, is it really worth the risks of long term damage from just the smoke alone? Larry I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS. I’m sorry if this upsets some of you, all I know is my experience. If members here want to comment, fine. But don’t pretend to know anything about this area simply based on stereotypes and shallow speculation. Please. BH

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you betcha, duder.  that was Andreas Neidrig, who i think scared the hell out of the 8hr barrier last year at roth.  he was unbelievably down and out for a while:  from booze to pot to coke and then finally to the junk. apparently arterial damage got so bad they almost had to amputate a leg before he got his act together.  after a few months of casual training he ran a sub-3 marathon and somebody decided he had a whole truckload of untapped talent.  they guessed right. . . -mike "briefly addicted to Vector cereal for a while, but clean now" callaghan

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Who was the heroine?  Marlene Deitrich?

That would probably have been Marlene Dietrich.. Now heroin is a different story.

Ouch! Admit mistake and drift back off into the void.. niclas "som nog skulle kunna uttrycka sig elegantare om han kunde gora det pa sitt modersmal" tylli

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Detrimental to endurance sports DUDE …WAKE UP it is bad for someone who sits on the couch all day.  YOU  are annoying now and you are not like me (LINDA TRIPP) ,BH do the research yourself if you are so concerned. The fact is pot slows blood flow…. there it is enough info for me and everyone else on this web group.  Again IT DECREASES BLOOD FLOW.  Oh yeah it is great for  your lungs too. P.s. your answer is in your own question pot does not help us get back to training sooner or reduce inflamation…it does just the opposite cuts blood off from the muscle Time to give up the mental hold pot has on you.

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Coffee, tea, sugar, ibuprofen….so far they haven’t landed me in the nuthouse. If they ever do, I’ll give’m up too. Mike "damn, it’s been nearly 14 years now" Schwing

Dude! Where did you get your gear? I guess they don’t make it like they used to. Brian P "not quite 14 years, but a while" Casey

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Detrimental to endurance sports DUDE …WAKE UP it is bad for someone who sits on the couch all day.  YOU  are annoying now and you are not like me (LINDATRIPP) ,BH do the research yourself if you are so concerned. The fact is pot slows blood flow…. there it is enough info for me and everyone else on this web group.  Again IT DECREASES BLOOD FLOW.  Oh yeah it is great for  your lungs too. P.s. your answer is in your own question pot does not help us get back to training sooner or reduce inflamation…it does just the opposite cuts blood off from the muscle Time to give up the mental hold pot has on you.

Funny, everything I have read on the effects of pot is that it dialates the blood vessels and increases heart rate. That would indicate an INCREASE of blood flow, wouldn’t it? Any chance you can point me at the source of your info? Armin Before you buy.

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I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS. I’m sorry if this upsets some of you, all I know is my experience. If members here want to comment, fine. But don’t pretend to know anything about this area simply based on stereotypes and shallow speculation. Please. BH

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Detrimental to endurance sports DUDE …WAKE UP it is bad for someone who sits on the couch all day.  YOU  are annoying now and you are not like me (LINDATRIPP) ,BH do the research yourself if you are so concerned. The fact is pot slows blood flow…. there it is enough info for me and everyone else on this web group.  Again IT DECREASES BLOOD FLOW.  Oh yeah it is great for  your lungs too. P.s. your answer is in your own question pot does not help us get back to training sooner or reduce inflamation…it does just the opposite cuts blood off from the muscle Time to give up the mental hold pot has on you. Funny, everything I have read on the effects of pot is that it dialates the blood vessels and increases heart rate. That would indicate an INCREASE of blood flow, wouldn’t it? Any chance you can point me at the source of your info? Armin Before you buy.

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I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS.

So do steroids.

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Bill, I would say that your viewpoint is equally one sided.  Your perception that "it helps" is not supported by any studies or tests that I’m aware of.   What sorts of tests have you conducted to confirm that your perception is reality?  At one time, cyclists would smoke cigarettes competition thinking that it opened up their lungs.  We know that’s bogus now but they were convinced. If you’re looking for agreement, you probably won’t find here.  I expect there’s more than one person here that’s burns an occasional doobie but I doubt that even they will claim that it benefits their athletic ability.  Even if we yield to the idea that there is some benefit, is it really worth the risks of long term damage from just the smoke alone? Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will repeat what I have written AND experienced, especially for those of you who have not experienced what I have: IT HELPS. I’m sorry if this upsets some of you, all I know is my experience. If members here want to comment, fine. But don’t pretend to know anything about this area simply based on stereotypes and shallow speculation. Please. BH

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Does anyone know of any Triathalon clubs in the Chicago area. I know there are various running, swiming, and biking clubs.  But are there any that tie it all together? Thanks TB

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Who was the heroine?  Marlene Deitrich? Now heroin is a different story. Ray – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone heard that one of the top German triathletes (don’t want to mention any names in case I would get it wrong) apparently used to be a heroine addict? I am told that there should have been an article in the German weekly Spiegel a few weeks ago claiming this. The point of bringing up this is not that I would support drugs in any form. It just strikes me as extraordinary that a person who apparently has been reduced to the point where the daily fix controls his life can emerge as a top athlete… Just food for thought and maybe it shows that it never is too late to quit any form of addiction. niclas "pass me the cappuccino" tylli

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Empowerment is a major benefit of triathlon.  That fact that you can achieve the seemingly impossible with  focus, determination, and effort boosts a persons confidence and self esteem.. Drugs (recreational type) give you the illusion of empowerment without expending the effort.   With continued use, you’ll develop focus and determination but they might not be of a productive or socially acceptable nature.  Habitual drug use replaces genuine confidence and self esteem with euphoric illusions.  A person has the sensation of talent or competence but in reality their abilities are likely to be diminished.  My favorite quotation regarding this: "Cocaine gave me wings then took away the sky." I have nothing against a good high but it should be regarded as just that. A few drinks or a few tokes and little relaxation can be a pleasant diversion.  I see a problem when copping a buzz becomes a necessary precursor to pleasure.  What you experience in those circumstances is not real.  The more time you spend in a fantasy, the less you are able to relate to the rest of the world.  And you might lose track of what a fine person you really are. Larry – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone heard that one of the top German triathletes (don’t want to mention any names in case I would get it wrong) apparently used to be a heroine addict? I am told that there should have been an article in the German weekly Spiegel a few weeks ago claiming this. The point of bringing up this is not that I would support drugs in any form. It just strikes me as extraordinary that a person who apparently has been reduced to the point where the daily fix controls his life can emerge as a top athlete… Just food for thought and maybe it shows that it never is too late to quit any form of addiction. niclas "pass me the cappuccino" tylli

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Good One! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Who was the heroine?  Marlene Deitrich? Now heroin is a different story. Ray message Anyone heard that one of the top German triathletes (don’t want to mention any names in case I would get it wrong) apparently used to be a heroine addict? I am told that there should have been an article in the German weekly Spiegel a few weeks ago claiming this. The point of bringing up this is not that I would support drugs in any form. It just strikes me as extraordinary that a person who apparently has been reduced to the point where the daily fix controls his life can emerge as a top athlete… Just food for thought and maybe it shows that it never is too late to quit any form of addiction. niclas "pass me the cappuccino" tylli

Before you buy.

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Who was the heroine?  Marlene Deitrich? Now heroin is a different story.

Woohoo!  Score, Ray! I *love* Marlene Dietrich.  "It took more than one man to change my name to…Shanghai Lily." Ich bin von Kopf biss Fuss auf Liebe eingestelt! TriBaby                                     _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "Real triathletes don’t draft." http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie *New to triathlon?  Check out Hulaman’s Simple TriTips:  http://www.hulaman.com/triathlon/tritips.html    

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OK..what’s up with this email address? That’s OK, while always looking for the ability to talk about our club, I’ll chime in anyway There is the Mission Bay Tri Club based out of the best tri shop in the midwest (Mission Bay Multisport). While the shop is located in Elgin, our club has grown to over 75 members from the entire Chicagoland area. From as far south as Joliet and Coal City, to the southern portion of WI, we offer many triathletes a place to train, and have some fun with others who share our passion for the sport. You can check out the website at http://www.missionbaytriclub.com, or shoot me Keep the faith ~ Train smart, not hard… Craig Preston Mission Bay Tri Club President IMC 2000

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I do not find it starange at all!  Anyone who reaches the top of any sport must have some sort of adictive character.  They must be single minded and able to reduce the importance of all other aspects of there life. tim "not that there is anything wrong with not being a rounded person" C. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone heard that one of the top German triathletes (don’t want to mention any names in case I would get it wrong) apparently used to be a heroine addict? I am told that there should have been an article in the German weekly Spiegel a few weeks ago claiming this. The point of bringing up this is not that I would support drugs in any form. It just strikes me as extraordinary that a person who apparently has been reduced to the point where the daily fix controls his life can emerge as a top athlete… Just food for thought and maybe it shows that it never is too late to quit any form of addiction. niclas "pass me the cappuccino" tylli

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Anyone heard that one of the top German triathletes (don’t want to mention any names in case I would get it wrong) apparently used to be a heroine addict? I am told that there should have been an article in the German weekly Spiegel a few weeks ago claiming this. The point of bringing up this is not that I would support drugs in any form. It just strikes me as extraordinary that a person who apparently has been reduced to the point where the daily fix controls his life can emerge as a top athlete… Just food for thought and maybe it shows that it never is too late to quit any form of addiction. niclas "pass me the cappuccino" tylli

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Way to go Mike…. Congrats on the 14 years. I hear every word your saying and agree with 100%. Larry Kuxhausen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am only able to speak for myself, but so far coffee, tea, and sugar haven’t landed me in a mental hospital. Alcohol and drugs, including marijuana, have. If it works for you, go for it. Enjoy. I kind of wish it did for me. However, I can’t seem to do those things without my life becoming totally unmanageable, not when I’m high, (that always worked just fine) but when I’m not. Therefore, I forego the use of them. Coffee, tea, sugar, ibuprofen….so far they haven’t landed me in the nuthouse. If they ever do, I’ll give’m up too. Mike "damn, it’s been nearly 14 years now" Schwing I appreciate everyones thoughts about my moderate use of marijuana during training. Triathletes seem to be people who thrive on information when comes to athletic performance. Simply put, the more-the better, and there is plenty out there, we all know. Websites, magazines, etc. give us all the data about what’s important, what can help us get faster, get leaner, get stronger…get better. From the responses I have recieved it is obvious that the triahtletes that use this newsgroup do not condone the use of marijuana to enhance performance. Ethical questions come to mind however that are related to our cultures perception of morality and what we define as acceptable. It is this: How many of us drink coffee or tea? Use aspirin or ibuprofin? Drink beer or wine? Had a cortisone injection to treat an injury? Aren’t these all drugs that have been, and are, used to enhance performance? We’ve read about the purported benefits of caffeine before an event. Aspirin and ibuprofin block pain and reduce inflammation so we can get back to training sooner with a decreased risk of injury. Alcohol, (where to begin) is used moderately by most athletes I know after a race or at night with dinner, to relax, which is indirectly affects our feelings about performance, and ourselves. We all know the argument. As mentioned before Triathletes are sponges for information and believe very strongly in scientific data to guide their training and racing efforts. My point is this, and it’s more of a challenge really. Can anyone come up with data or information that marijuana use is detrimental to endurance athletic performance. I’ve read many opinions, I enjoy reading them, and value EVERY ONE of them, PLEASE believe that, but has anyone read or seen any studies or have credible information about this topic. Remember, I’m one of you, I’m a nerd too. I need information about this, not just condemnation. Looking forward, BH

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Anyone willing to share their training program.   I am a 53 year old recreational triathlete who would love to do an Ironman.  Over the past 6 years I have done 13 marathons and 12 triathlons including two 1/2 ironmans.  I am a really slow swimmer and average biker and runner.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Fred www.auracom.com/~fglays

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Fred, You’ll find a wealth of training information located within the Great Floridian Triathlon Discussion Forum.  Visit www. greatfloridian.com for more information. Train safe! Fred Sommer

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Fred, This is the best free deal in the world.  They have a free ultra (IM) program that will take you through the year. http://members.spree.com/supercoach Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Anyone willing to share their training program.   I am a 53 year old recreational triathlete who would love to do an Ironman.  Over the past 6 years I have done 13 marathons and 12 triathlons including two 1/2 ironmans.  I am a really slow swimmer and average biker and runner.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Fred www.auracom.com/~fglays

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Best france magazine 220 they edit a calendar in february Best races in south east of france Nice end of september Embrun mid august Marseille beginning of june – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be spending the upcoming season in France and would like to know what the "must do" races are in Europe.  Maybe a top 10 list.  I am specifically looking at races in and relatively near France.  Any distance.  Also, where can I find the most comprehensive race calendars in Europe?  What are the best multi-sport magazines, etc.  Thanks! Bill

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The 2 magazines are 220 and Triathlete Magazine. ONe could argue 220 is better than Triathlete. My opinion is that both are dealing with Triathlon, Duathlon (???? just a title) and multisport, same subjects at the same time, with 2 different styles. Triathlete is a bit more professional and has nice pictures. For the races, it all depends upon where you will be living: moving around from one area to the other is rather expensive in France. Moreover, you sometimes need to have a FFTRi licence to enter particular races. The french calendar allows you racing almost every week-end. I know the major national events. for the others, you will have to wait until the first season calendar is published. Olivier – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will be spending the upcoming season in France and would like to know what the "must do" races are in Europe.  Maybe a top 10 list.  I am specifically looking at races in and relatively near France.  Any distance.  Also, where can I find the most comprehensive race calendars in Europe?  What are the best multi-sport magazines, etc.  Thanks! Bill

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I will be spending the upcoming season in France and would like to know what the "must do" races are in Europe.  Maybe a top 10 list.  I am specifically looking at races in and relatively near France.  Any distance.  Also,  where can I find the most comprehensive race calendars in Europe?  What are the best multi-sport magazines, etc.  Thanks! Bill

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Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name).

And if you find one, be sure to tell Madeleine! Mike "TriBop" Tennent http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/ WebRunner Running My Model Railroad ‘98 Ironman Canada IronVirgins Site

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: Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name). That would, I think, be Crosier-Keystone. : And if you find one, be sure to tell Madeleine! Yup, seconded! Madeleine "the NH and I are putting on weight" Page

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Fellowships in sports medicine can be done after completing a residency in orthopedic surgery, or Internal Medicine, or Pediatrics and even Family Medicine.  I agree that orthopedics is only a minor part of sports medicine and actually a part we hope to avoid with good prevention.

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I forgot to mention that there is a national professional organization representing sports medicine physicians.  I am sure they can put you in contact with some one in your area.  If you can’t find their web site or contact them let me know i’m sure I can get it with a little footwork.

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Try Kroser-Keystone hospital (I think that is the name). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   I’m looking for a new primary care physician since my previous doctor’s office closed recently.  Since I’m very involved with sports (I spend lots of hours training for triathlon), I would feel much more comfortable if I could find a physician who specializes in sports (sports/exercise physiolgy as well as internal/general medicine in a sports context). I’d like to get the kind of checkups and care that is given by team physicians to athletes such as professional cyclists or marathon runners.  I’d be interested in physicians who are familar also with VO2 max testing, lactate testing, etc.   Please send any recommendations for such physicians who are located in the Philadelphia,PA and Delaware Valley area.  Thanks. Andy Ross   PS One obstacle in finding such a doctor has been the label ‘Sports Medicine’   which seems to be synonomous with orthopedic medicine.  There is certainly   more to an athlete’s health than treating orthopedic injuries!

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   I’m looking for a new primary care physician since my previous doctor’s office closed recently.  Since I’m very involved with sports (I spend lots of hours training for triathlon), I would feel much more comfortable if I could find a physician who specializes in sports (sports/exercise physiolgy as well as internal/general medicine in a sports context). I’d like to get the kind of checkups and care that is given by team physicians to athletes such as professional cyclists or marathon runners.  I’d be interested in physicians who are familar also with VO2 max testing, lactate testing, etc.    Please send any recommendations for such physicians who are located in the Philadelphia,PA and Delaware Valley area.  Thanks. Andy Ross    PS One obstacle in finding such a doctor has been the label ‘Sports Medicine’    which seems to be synonomous with orthopedic medicine.  There is certainly    more to an athlete’s health than treating orthopedic injuries!

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Does anybody know when Leon’s triathlon will be run this Summer?  I assume it will be on the hottest and  most humid Sunday in July, as usual, but I have yet to see the exact date.  Leon seems to schedule this race around Mrs. T’s and now Schu’s (save your time and money until the Schu’s organizers can figure out how to do a decent race).  Thos two races are in August, so July seems to be the obvious time for Leon’s.   I’d appreciate any information.

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C’mon, you don’t think that Schu’s was a good venue?  I thought they organized a good race.  Don’t you like swimming in 45 degree water? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Does anybody know when Leon’s triathlon will be run this Summer?  I assume it will be on the hottest and  most humid Sunday in July, as usual, but I have yet to see the exact date.  Leon seems to schedule this race around Mrs. T’s and now Schu’s (save your time and money until the Schu’s organizers can figure out how to do a decent race).  Thos two races are in August, so July seems to be the obvious time for Leon’s.   I’d appreciate any information.

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Is triathlon a full fledged medal event in Sydney? I was under the impression that it was a demonstration event. Jim

Triathlon is going to be the first medals presented at the 2000 Olympics.  I thinnk womens event is day one and mens is day two or vice versa, definitely full medal events though. Paul Bronson Queensland, Australia

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I read the other day that, for a sport to be in the olympics, it has to be practiced and popular in at least 40 countries (or something like that). Triathlon is going to be in the year 2000 olympic games, in Sydney. However, this sport, the one we made popular and widespread in those [40] countries, is made up of three stages: swim, bike *without drafting* and run. I’m not saying they shouldn’t include a swim, bike *with drafting* and run race in the olympics, but they should first make it popular and known  in 40 different countries, because the triathlon we are used to is not that. Or are we willing to be in the olympics with a sport that’s not ours?

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I read the other day that, for a sport to be in the olympics, it has to be practiced and popular in at least 40 countries (or something like that). Triathlon is going to be in the year 2000 olympic games, in Sydney. However, this sport, the one we made popular and widespread in those [40] countries, is made up of three stages: swim, bike *without drafting* and run. I’m not saying they shouldn’t include a swim, bike *with drafting* and run race in the olympics, but they should first make it popular and known in 40 different countries, because the triathlon we are used to is not that. Or are we willing to be in the olympics with a sport that’s not ours?

Is triathlon a full fledged medal event in Sydney? I was under the impression that it was a demonstration event. Jim

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Is triathlon a full fledged medal event in Sydney? I was under the impression that it was a demonstration event.<

Triathlon is a full fledged medal sport.  The Olympic folks did away with demonstration sports due to the lack of room on the program.  If so, triathlon may have had its debut in Atlanta. I read the other day that, for a sport to be in the olympics, it has to be practiced and popular in at least 40 countries (or something like that). Triathlon is going to be in the year 2000 olympic games, in Sydney. However, this sport, the one we made popular and widespread in those [40] countries, is made up of three stages: swim, bike *without drafting* and run. I’m not saying they shouldn’t include a swim, bike *with drafting* and run race in the olympics, but they should first make it popular and known in 40 different countries, because the triathlon we are used to is not that. Or are we willing to be in the olympics with a sport that’s not ours?<

Very well put. Rick Margiotta

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About 3 years ago I saw a gold Lavalier my friend had bought while in Hawaii for the Ironman.  It was the Ironman logo of the circle over the ‘M’.  If anyone knows where I could find one of these please let me know. Thanks,

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There is a jeweller in Kailua-Kona who is licensed to make and sell Ironman jewellery.  I ordered my IM earring mail-order from Originals by Oscar.  Don’t know the phone # offhand, but I got it by dialing information.  Like all IM merchandise, expect superior quality and premium prices… —                           without glory." – Pierre Corneille

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Aloha, Official Ironman jewelry can be purchased through: Big Island Jewelers Ltd. 75-5695A  Alii Drive Kailua-Kona, Hawaii  96740 Phone: 808-329-8571 Aloha, Ironman Triathlon

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Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware. I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance…

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Hello! Train Right Software for Windows is the official training software of Triathlon Federation/USA. We have developed an "intuitive" application that was designed to take the place of a coach (preparing a custom training program specifying heart rate, etc.).  Our log is very basic and will provide you with most of the features that you need. If you want more info. and a demo, please call me or email me. Thanks Troy Jacobson Train Right Software, Inc 1-410-321-1494

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Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware. I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance…

UltraCoach for Windows can track up to six sports of your choice, including running, weight training and aerobic activities such as martial arts.  For a free limited edition version of UltraCoach, call (800) 400-1390 or (909) 625-0463 (you’ll have to pay shipping). Paul Stewart UltraCoach Software Development

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Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware. I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance…

Hi I have just bought the Athletes Diary from Stevens Creek software. It is about 50 bucks and there is a version for macs and windows. Cheers Paul — "Is this sort of thing going to happen everytime we use the Improbability Drive?" "Very Probably." Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware. I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance… Hi I have just bought the Athletes Diary from Stevens Creek software. It is about 50 bucks and there is a version for macs and windows. Demo versions can be obtained from some servers or try mailing

Cheers Paul — "Is this sort of thing going to happen everytime we use the

Improbability Drive?" "Very Probably." Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

Another alternative–UltraCoach Multisport athletic training software for Windows–interactive and gives you workouts based on YOUR data.   uses AI technology.  SRP 59.95. Multimedia, graphs, reports, etc Call 800-400-1390 for free copy

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Cheers Paul —

If you want a "coaching" program for Windows (that’s right…it will actually design a custom training program for you!) please consider Train Right Scientific Coaching Software, the official training log of Tri Fed/USA.  Email or call at 1-800-297-2828 if you want more info. Thanks Troy Jacobson Train Right Software

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Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the  PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and  martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware.  I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance…

… Yet another alternative is  my freeware program. I’m attaching the product description to this note. You can download a copy and see if it does everything you want.                                 RunStat                        Version 3.0,  January 1995                             Scott Diamond What is This Program? RunStat3 is a Windows program which runners may find useful.  The main window  for the program is a  pace calculator.  You enter the distance and time for your run and then RunStat3  calculates your pace for your run  and finishing times  for a large set  of distances and times. For example, if you ran a 10k run, RunStat3 would list finishing times for 1 mile, 5k,  10k, 1/2 marathon, marathon,  etc (you can  also add your own  custom  entries as well).   Two listing  for finishing  times are presented, one based  on running  at constant  pace  and a ‘realistic’ estimate which accounts for slowing your pace the longer you run. RunStat3 also supports   an ascii logbook  in  which users can keep  a record of all their runs.  RunStat3 includes a searching, plotting and statistics calculator so  that you can search your  log book  and plot all your times for a given course, or total your mileage for each pair of shoes or make other plots.  There is almost  no limit to the number of entries you can place in your log file for  tracking your runs (e.g temperature, weight, avg. heart rate, course, shoes, etc.) RunStat3  has a large helpfile which  explains the  use of the program and which also contains additional  information which runners may find useful.  Included  in the help  file is  a listing  of world  records, weight loss  information, internet   running  info and   the  complete rec.running faq file. System Requirements This  program runs under Microsoft Windows  3.1 and requires  a VGA or better display. When installed the program  occupies about 1.5 megs of space on a hard disk. Costs —– RunStat is FreeWare Where can I get a copy? The program is available by anonymous ftp at the following sites: Simtel and mirrors           ftp to:         oak.oakland.edu                 file location:  /SimTel/win3/calc/runstat3.zip CICA and mirrors             ftp to:         winftp.cica.indiana.edu         file location:  /pub/pc/win3/misc/runstat3.zip If would prefer it if you get a copy  from one of  the above sites. If you cannot get a copy from the internet I can mail  you the program on a 3.5 floppy  disc. Mail me $5.00 to  the address below and I’ll  mail you back the floppy. Additional Questions? I can be reached at:             Scott Diamond, Cathy Dicker and the DDFH          Tigger, Stanley, Salem and Orange Monster (our cats)                      6620  SW Hyland Way                   Beaverton OR, 97008-5035                       (503) 643-6779                                                     –     O       ~o                                              -  <|       <|                                             –           /                                           –     /        cathy                                              scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Scott Diamond) writes: Feak) Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the   PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and   martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware.  I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance… … Yet another alternative is  my freeware program. I’m attaching the product description to this note. You can download a copy and see if it does everything you want.                            RunStat                   Version 3.0,  January 1995                        Scott Diamond What is This Program? RunStat3 is a Windows program which runners may find useful.  The main window  for the program is a  pace calculator.  You enter the distance and time for your run and then RunStat3  calculates your pace for your run  and finishing times  for a large set  of distances and times. For example, if you ran a 10k run, RunStat3 would list finishing times for 1 mile, 5k,  10k, 1/2 marathon, marathon,  etc (you can  also add your own  custom  entries as well).   Two listing  for finishing  times are presented, one based  on running  at constant  pace  and a ‘realistic’ estimate which accounts for slowing your pace the longer you run. RunStat3 also supports   an ascii logbook  in  which users can keep  a record of all their runs.  RunStat3 includes a searching, plotting and statistics calculator so  that you can search your  log book  and plot all your times for a given course, or total your mileage for each pair of shoes or make other plots.  There is almost  no limit to the number of entries you can place in your log file for  tracking your runs (e.g temperature, weight, avg. heart rate, course, shoes, etc.) RunStat3  has a large helpfile which  explains the  use of the program and which also contains additional  information which runners may find useful.  Included  in the help  file is  a listing  of world  records, weight loss  information, internet   running  info and   the  complete rec.running faq file. System Requirements This  program runs under Microsoft Windows  3.1 and requires  a VGA or better display. When installed the program  occupies about 1.5 megs of space on a hard disk. Costs —– RunStat is FreeWare Where can I get a copy? The program is available by anonymous ftp at the following sites: Simtel and mirrors      ftp to:         oak.oakland.edu            file location:  /SimTel/win3/calc/runstat3.zip CICA and mirrors        ftp to:         winftp.cica.indiana.edu    file location:  /pub/pc/win3/misc/runstat3.zip If would prefer it if you get a copy  from one of  the above sites. If you cannot get a copy from the internet I can mail  you the program on a 3.5 floppy  disc. Mail me $5.00 to  the address below and I’ll  mail you back the floppy. Additional Questions? I can be reached at:            Scott Diamond, Cathy Dicker and the DDFH         Tigger, Stanley, Salem and Orange Monster (our cats)                     6620  SW Hyland Way                  Beaverton OR, 97008-5035                      (503) 643-6779                                                    -     O      ~o                                              -  <|      <|                                             –          /                                           –     /       cathy                                              scott

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Feak) Just curious… anyone know of a good quality training log for the PC? I’d like something that would track my runs, date distance, times etc… and perhaps other workouts if possible including free weights and martial arts. It doesn’t matter to me if it’s commercial domain or shareware. I would gladly trade the favor. I live in an area that doesn’t offer much in the way of software vendors so I’m very open for opportunities. Your suggestions would be very appreciated, and thanks in advance… Hi I have just bought the Athletes Diary from Stevens Creek software. It is about 50 bucks and there is a version for macs and windows. Demo versions can be obtained from some servers or try mailing Cheers Paul — If you want a "coaching" program for Windows (that’s right…it will actually design a custom training program for you!) please consider Train Right Scientific Coaching Software, the official training log of Tri Fed/USA.  Email or call at 1-800-297-2828 if you want more info. Thanks Troy Jacobson Train Right Software

If you want a true "coaching" program for Windows(that’s right…UltraCoach uses artificial intelligence technology to interactively analyze your workout data and give you your next workout based on your past performance, recent data, physiologicial trends, goals, fitness level and incorporate all forms of heart rate monitor data, then you should consider UltraCoach Multisport Athletic Training Software.  Call 800-400-1390 for free copy.  Only program that accepts direct downloads from Polar Vantage XL and Cardiosport Heartchart and puts the data directly into the database–see your heartcurves and know what you have done and compare your workouts, training, and performances –like having a physiologist and trainer and sportsmedicine doctor in your desktop.   Ken Burres MD UltraCoach

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