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The weather was perfect for the 8,000 participants of the Dublin Marathon this morning. A crisp, clear Autumn morning warmed up beautifully as the race went on, with the temperature rising to 11 or 12   centigrade. No wind worth talking about. This was my first marathon and I was quite nervous at the start. I’m only running since April and had only ever completed one previous race, a 1/2 which I ran in 1:53 last month. My longest run during training was a 20 miler. My primary goal was to finish the race, something I wasn’t all that confident about as I’ve had a cold for the last three weeks as well as a right hamstring which has been tightening up during my last few runs. Secondary goal was to finish in less than 4:10. Dream result was a sub 4 hour finish. Anyway, the race got underway at 9am and I crossed the line 90 seconds later. There were participants from all over the world. At least 1/2 the field were visitors and the atmosphere was nice ‘n’ friendly. Whole chunks of Utah and New Jersey seemed to have flown in to support the runners from Joints in Motion and Team in Training, so the sidelines were noisy and cheerful. Reached the halfway mark in 1:53 but at that stage my legs felt like lead. I was walking the water stops at that stage, so that was a short break every three miles. At 15 miles I was uncomfortable, but not so much I had to stop. At 20 miles (3 hours) I’d gladly have sat down. I was f**ked… Covering the last six miles of that race was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done. It was painful. The only thing that kept me going was that walking seemed to be even more difficult. Breathing was fine, as was heartrate, ditto running pace. I just felt extraordinarily tired, and my leg muscles were stiff as they’ve ever been. A water stop at 24 got me going again and I crossed the line at 4:07. Boy, was I happy to see that finish line. What have I learned: Most important, RESPECT THE FREAKIN’ DISTANCE! What they say is true. Don’t run the marathon until you have a full marathon training program done. And don’t do that until you have at least a year’s running under your belt. Anyway, I’m signing up for the Connemarathon tomorrow. http://www.connemarathon.com – I’m a sucker for punishment. But this time I’ll do it right. Thanks for reading. Colm

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Nice to read that somebody else has been to that place … well done on your first marathon. Nice time, too! You kept up the pace pretty well towards the end  despite your suffering if you did the last 10 k in 1.07.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The weather was perfect for the 8,000 participants of the Dublin Marathon this morning. A crisp, clear Autumn morning warmed up beautifully as the race went on, with the temperature rising to 11 or 12   centigrade. No wind worth talking about. This was my first marathon and I was quite nervous at the start. I’m only running since April and had only ever completed one previous race, a 1/2 which I ran in 1:53 last month. My longest run during training was a 20 miler. My primary goal was to finish the race, something I wasn’t all that confident about as I’ve had a cold for the last three weeks as well as a right hamstring which has been tightening up during my last few runs. Secondary goal was to finish in less than 4:10. Dream result was a sub 4 hour finish. Anyway, the race got underway at 9am and I crossed the line 90 seconds later. There were participants from all over the world. At least 1/2 the field were visitors and the atmosphere was nice ‘n’ friendly. Whole chunks of Utah and New Jersey seemed to have flown in to support the runners from Joints in Motion and Team in Training, so the sidelines were noisy and cheerful. Reached the halfway mark in 1:53 but at that stage my legs felt like lead. I was walking the water stops at that stage, so that was a short break every three miles. At 15 miles I was uncomfortable, but not so much I had to stop. At 20 miles (3 hours) I’d gladly have sat down. I was f**ked… Covering the last six miles of that race was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done. It was painful. The only thing that kept me going was that walking seemed to be even more difficult. Breathing was fine, as was heartrate, ditto running pace. I just felt extraordinarily tired, and my leg muscles were stiff as they’ve ever been. A water stop at 24 got me going again and I crossed the line at 4:07. Boy, was I happy to see that finish line. What have I learned: Most important, RESPECT THE FREAKIN’ DISTANCE! What they say is true. Don’t run the marathon until you have a full marathon training program done. And don’t do that until you have at least a year’s running under your belt. Anyway, I’m signing up for the Connemarathon tomorrow. http://www.connemarathon.com – I’m a sucker for punishment. But this time I’ll do it right. Thanks for reading. Colm

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Great effort Colm and enjoyable report. Youll get a sub four in not time. Doug Burke – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The weather was perfect for the 8,000 participants of the Dublin Marathon this morning. A crisp, clear Autumn morning warmed up beautifully as the race went on, with the temperature rising to 11 or 12  centigrade. No wind worth talking about. This was my first marathon and I was quite nervous at the start. I’m only running since April and had only ever completed one previous race, a 1/2 which I ran in 1:53 last month. My longest run during training was a 20 miler. My primary goal was to finish the race, something I wasn’t all that confident about as I’ve had a cold for the last three weeks as well as a right hamstring which has been tightening up during my last few runs. Secondary goal was to finish in less than 4:10. Dream result was a sub 4 hour finish. Anyway, the race got underway at 9am and I crossed the line 90 seconds later. There were participants from all over the world. At least 1/2 the field were visitors and the atmosphere was nice ‘n’ friendly. Whole chunks of Utah and New Jersey seemed to have flown in to support the runners from Joints in Motion and Team in Training, so the sidelines were noisy and cheerful. Reached the halfway mark in 1:53 but at that stage my legs felt like lead. I was walking the water stops at that stage, so that was a short break every three miles. At 15 miles I was uncomfortable, but not so much I had to stop. At 20 miles (3 hours) I’d gladly have sat down. I was f**ked… Covering the last six miles of that race was the most difficult thing I’ve ever done. It was painful. The only thing that kept me going was that walking seemed to be even more difficult. Breathing was fine, as was heartrate, ditto running pace. I just felt extraordinarily tired, and my leg muscles were stiff as they’ve ever been. A water stop at 24 got me going again and I crossed the line at 4:07. Boy, was I happy to see that finish line. What have I learned: Most important, RESPECT THE FREAKIN’ DISTANCE! What they say is true. Don’t run the marathon until you have a full marathon training program done. And don’t do that until you have at least a year’s running under your belt. Anyway, I’m signing up for the Connemarathon tomorrow. http://www.connemarathon.com – I’m a sucker for punishment. But this time I’ll do it right. Thanks for reading. Colm

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Thanks! I enjoyed your report too. I’ve only ever spectated at one marathon before and it was the MCM in 1999. I thought everyone doing it was quite mad. Now I know… BTW, how do you record your mile times? — Colm

: Great effort Colm and enjoyable report. Youll get a sub four in not time. : Doug Burke

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Thanks Jonathan! — Colm

: Nice to read that somebody else has been to that place … well done on your : first marathon. Nice time, too! You kept up the pace pretty well towards the : end  despite your suffering if you did the last 10 k in 1.07.

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A water stop at 24 got me going again and I crossed the line at 4:07. Boy, was I happy to see that finish line. What have I learned: Most important, RESPECT THE FREAKIN’ DISTANCE! What they say is true. Don’t run the marathon until you have a full marathon training program done. And don’t do that until you have at least a year’s running under your belt. Anyway, I’m signing up for the Connemarathon tomorrow. http://www.connemarathon.com – I’m a sucker for punishment. But this time I’ll do it right. Thanks for reading. Colm

Congratulations, Colm! It was tough, but you did it and in a reasonable time. It *is* true what they say about marathons! Sorry you had to experience the hows and whys. Best of luck in training for the Connemarathon (great name!). You’ll find you’ll still be pretty tired but not beat to death when you train fully. I bet you’ll really like it! Teresa in AZ

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Thanks! I enjoyed your report too. I’ve only ever spectated at one marathon before and it was the MCM in 1999. I thought everyone doing it was quite mad. Now I know…

Thnkas Colm. BTW, how do you record your mile times?

I carried a typewriter the whole way. Ok, all seriousness aside, I have a Timex "Ironman Triathlon" watch. It’s something I’d highly recommend. Just set it to the "crono" mode and hit the right button at every mile. When you’re done hit the left button. It can hold 100 splits. Works as a timer and a regular watch too. Doug Burke

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The weather was perfect for the 8,000 participants of the Dublin Marathon this morning.

<snip Good stuff, Colm. Good time too! Well done. — Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): http://paulrooney.netfirms.com Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: http://www.justgiving.com/london2004

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Oh, yes, I forgot to add: you’ll probably knock half an hour off your next ‘thon. But make sure you don’t get rid of so much salt that your leg muscles begin to cramp towards the end – or eat too many gels and end up vomiting or getting stomach cramps! J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Thanks Jonathan! — Colm : Nice to read that somebody else has been to that place … well done on your : first marathon. Nice time, too! You kept up the pace pretty well towards the : end  despite your suffering if you did the last 10 k in 1.07.

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Colm – Congrats on your 1st marathon! Looks like your dream sub-4 result is not far away.  Did you have any gels/ sports drink or food along the way? Anthony.

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Congratulations, Colm! Sorry I didn’t spot your number. (Mind you, I passed a good friend of mine somewhere in the last few miles without noticing, so much was I focussed on just getting the end). Best of luck in Connemara! John

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Thanks Anthony, I took 3 gels during the race. I didn’t want to take any more than that because I’ve never used them before. At 4 of the water stops I took both water and Lucozade Sport. I’ll probably use them extensively during training for my next attempt. — Colm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Colm – Congrats on your 1st marathon! Looks like your dream sub-4 result is not far away.  Did you have any gels/ sports drink or food along the way? Anthony.

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Congratulations to yourself too! Did you enjoy it? — Colm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations, Colm! Sorry I didn’t spot your number. (Mind you, I passed a good friend of mine somewhere in the last few miles without noticing, so much was I focussed on just getting the end). Best of luck in Connemara! John

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Good time John! http://homepage.eircom.net/~bhaa/Mar03ProvResult3.htm — Colm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Congratulations, Colm! Sorry I didn’t spot your number. (Mind you, I passed a good friend of mine somewhere in the last few miles without noticing, so much was I focussed on just getting the end). Best of luck in Connemara! John

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Good time John! http://homepage.eircom.net/~bhaa/Mar03ProvResult3.htm

Thanks for this URL, I hadn’t seen it. My ‘real’ time was actually a whisker under 4 hours (3:59:40), as it was a couple of minutes before I crossed the start line. J.

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Good time John! http://homepage.eircom.net/~bhaa/Mar03ProvResult3.htm

Out of curiosity, how did they measure these times, do you think? I presume photos were taken as people crossed the finish line, which were subsequently scanned for the bib numbers. Personally, I think the whole idea of dropping the chips and using this system at the last minute was a major cockup. There was no recording of at what point each runner crossed the start line, and no recording of the time at the midway point. Did something go badly wrong with the organisation, do you think? John

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Congratulations to yourself too! Did you enjoy it?

Yes had a great time! I was really impressed with the friendliness of the Dubliners lining the route. Are you one of this species yourself? J.

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I’m not sure how they did it. Using the chips would’ve been a whole lot better. The time they’ve posted for me is quicker than the time I calculated. Yours is slower…. Who knows what way they did it? A colleague of mine ran a sub 3 hour and they had his time exactly right. It may be that they weren’t as careful with the slower times. — Colm

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Out of curiosity, how did they measure these times, do you think? I presume photos were taken as people crossed the finish line, which were subsequently scanned for the bib numbers. Personally, I think the whole idea of dropping the chips and using this system at the last minute was a major cockup. There was no recording of at what point each runner crossed the start line, and no recording of the time at the midway point. Did something go badly wrong with the organisation, do you think? John

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I’m not sure how they did it. Using the chips would’ve been a whole lot better. The time they’ve posted for me is quicker than the time I calculated. Yours is slower…. Who knows what way they did it? A colleague of mine ran a sub 3 hour and they had his time exactly right. It may be that they weren’t as careful with the slower times.

The time they posted for me is pretty well exactly what I would expect, given the 2 minutes to the start line. I started my stopwatch as I went over the line, but at the time I didn’t make a detailed note of what the ‘official’ clock was reading. The ‘official’ time of the friend I started off with is 2 minutes slower than his measured one, exactly as mine was, which makes sense, as we crossed the line at the same time. I can’t think why your time would be the way it is. Your sub 3 hour friend, though, presumably started much nearer the front, hence the reduced discrepancy with the official time. They really need a chip system in place again next year (they had it two years ago, my friend says). J.

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They really need a chip system in place again next year (they had it two years ago, my friend says). J.

Did you not have a chip? They had them last year. — Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): http://paulrooney.netfirms.com Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: http://www.justgiving.com/london2004

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Did you not have a chip? They had them last year.

No. When we turned up to register, they said they weren’t using a chip system this year (despite what it had said on the website only the day before), but were using bar codes instead. The bib numbers had small bar codes at the bottom. Obviously it was impossible to scan all of these in the mass of people at the start, which meant your own race start time could not possibly be recorded, but  I assumed they must have some means of scanning them as we came through the finishing gate. The first time anyone paid any attention to the bar code bit, though, was minutes after the race end when we were corralled past someone who ripped off the bar code section and put it on a spike. This was far too late to be representative of a finishing time, so I assume they must have used something photographic at the actual finish. The whole thing reeks of cockup to me, though. I suspect that something went wrong at the last minute with the chip supply, or something like that, and they pretended to have this alternative in place, which wasn’t a valid alternative at all. J.

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Thanks Teresa! — Colm

: Congratulations, Colm! It was tough, but you did it and in a reasonable : time. It *is* true what they say about marathons! Sorry you had to : experience the hows and whys. Best of luck in training for the : Connemarathon (great name!). You’ll find you’ll still be pretty tired : but not beat to death when you train fully. I bet you’ll really like : it!

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Thanks Paul! — Colm

: : The weather was perfect for the 8,000 participants of the Dublin : Marathon this morning. : : <snip : : Good stuff, Colm. Good time too! Well done. : : — : Paul : My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): : http://paulrooney.netfirms.com : : Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: : http://www.justgiving.com/london2004

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I’m gonna have to get me one of them…. — Colm

: Ok, all seriousness aside, I have a Timex "Ironman Triathlon" : watch. It’s something I’d highly recommend. Just set it to the "crono" : mode and hit the right button at every mile. When you’re done hit the : left button. It can hold 100 splits. Works as a timer and a regular : watch too.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Did you not have a chip? They had them last year. No. When we turned up to register, they said they weren’t using a chip system this year (despite what it had said on the website only the day before), but were using bar codes instead. The bib numbers had small bar codes at the bottom. Obviously it was impossible to scan all of these in the mass of people at the start, which meant your own race start time could not possibly be recorded, but  I assumed they must have some means of scanning them as we came through the finishing gate. The first time anyone paid any attention to the bar code bit, though, was minutes after the race end when we were corralled past someone who ripped off the bar code section and put it on a spike. This was far too late to be representative of a finishing time, so I assume they must have used something photographic at the actual finish. The whole thing reeks of cockup to me, though. I suspect that something went wrong at the last minute with the chip supply, or something like that, and they pretended to have this alternative in place, which wasn’t a valid alternative at all. J.

That’s bad – it does sound like a cockup. — Paul My Lake District walking site (updated 29th September 2003): http://paulrooney.netfirms.com Please sponsor me for the London Marathon at: http://www.justgiving.com/london2004

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Anyone have one of these laying around?  I want it! Pete

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      I’ve got an old one somewhere.  It was the greatest product ever!!  But, not many of us thought so or they’d still be used.   I’m sure mine is well used, but usable.  Mine is the origional 4 stop model, not the light weight or 2 stop model.   Probably would look funny on my P3!      I also designed a "hair trigger" for super fast operation.  At one time I even rode a bike w/ a modified top tube that had internal seat shifter cable routing.  Anyone else ever do that!?      I am probably really dating myself!!  This was back in the days when you leaned your bike against the tree in the transition area, and completely changed clothes…I mean naked!  Oh for the good ole days.      Anyway, let me know if I can tell you more about the seat shifter (I always said I’d put it back on again someday!!). david Never give up, Be satisfied w/ your best, Do unto others…..

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David I tried to email you unsuccessfully.  If it’s in good working order, and you can part with it let me know! Pete

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David I tried to email you unsuccessfully.  If it’s in good working order, and you can part with it let me know! Pete

     Pete, Just take the "nojunk" out of my e-mail address.  I’ll be happy to discuss w/ you. david Never give up, Be satisfied w/ your best, Do unto others…..

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hello, i have a pair of syntace aerobars and i recently added lifters to them. it raised the height about 1", and they seem to be comfortable. however, a friend of mine suggested that i take the lifters off because it might disturb the aero position that i should be in. is 1" that much of a difference? i like the comfort, but i also want to be as aero as possible. thanks for your suggestions. -warren kitahara ting "aaahhhh, sweet comfort"

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Without wind tunnel testing, it is difficult if not impossible to answer your question precisely. However, from what I’ve seen I believe you can say that: 1) small differences in elbow pad height (really, the drop from saddle to handlebar) can have a substantial effect on drag. 2) there is a law of diminishing returns, i.e., as you go lower and lower and lower, drag tends to level off; and 3) a position that results in minimal or near minimal drag will NOT be comfortable. Good luck in trying to optimize your position – it isn’t easy! Andy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hello, i have a pair of syntace aerobars and i recently added lifters to them. it raised the height about 1", and they seem to be comfortable. however, a friend of mine suggested that i take the lifters off because it might disturb the aero position that i should be in. is 1" that much of a difference? i like the comfort, but i also want to be as aero as possible. thanks for your suggestions. -warren kitahara ting "aaahhhh, sweet comfort"

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hello, i have a pair of syntace aerobars and i recently added lifters to them. it raised the height about 1", and they seem to be comfortable. however, a friend of mine suggested that i take the lifters off because it might disturb the aero position that i should be in. is 1" that much of a difference? i like the comfort, but i also want to be as aero as possible. thanks for your suggestions.

IMO, 1" isn’t even worth worrying about if you’re not comfortable. In fact, some of the most powerful cyclists in triathlon use a more upright position. If you have access to a Computrainer, or other testing device, you can check your output on each of the two positions for any given heartrate. Otherwise, percieved  exertion or a time trial would do nicely "aaahhhh, sweet comfort"

Which is the most important position of all! Jeff.

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Hi Warren, After reviewing the posts on this thread, I must say that I agree with the idea that a comfortable position (within reason) is one of the keys to performance. If your aero position is too uncomfortable, it gets difficult to maintain, and your aero tuck is too frequently interrupted.  There is a delicate balance here that is tough to quantify. If you’re still concerned about the height difference, you may be able to experiment with adjusting the stem height a little.  Granted, this isn’t ideal, but you should be able to test your comfort vs. aero performance in real use. For example, you could lower your stem 1/4 inch and try it that way for a few days.  Let me know what you discover! Good Luck, Sham (a.k.a. "Syntace1)

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Finding a group whose conversation interests you can be especially difficult at a faculty party because there is a common interest and most people are there for their shared subject.  As I wander through, being bored with black holes and elementary particles, and not at all interested in the high achievements of everyone’s kids, I will finally find two or three little groups discussing, for example, books or movies or concerts or what-I-did-last-summer, and I join the conversation.  It’s the same way on a newsgroup; I wander through the subjects, usually ignoring diets and drafting, but finding a couple topics that interest me. I think it is as wrong wrong wrong for anyone to criticize the discussions here that they do not care to read as it would be for me to tell a party of faculty that I don’t want to hear solely about their particular specialty, to the exclusion of all else. Ruth Kazez

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Ruth,         I’m not sure what discussions you’re referring to here, but I don’t think the analogy is appropriate. The entire purpose of having newsgroups rather than just one big group is to segment discussion. Since this newsgroup is supposed to be about triathlon, discussions of, e.g. C aren’t really appropriate here, and it would be quite reasonable to criticize someone for starting such a discussion.         On the other hand, this doesn’t mean that it’s appropriate to criticize someone for starting a triathlon-related conversation that you’re not interested.         On the other hand, this discussion itself is rather off-topic. -Ekr —           eTrain – free triathlon training software               http://www.rtfm.com/tri/etrain/html

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Breezy Point Triathlon, Norfolk Naval Base, Norfolk, Virginia, June 1997.

This was my first tri after a 5 year break from the sport to finish grad school, do some special projects at work, etc.  The swim was absolutely brutal to me that day.  The water was so cold, my feet got cold and did not warm up until the end of the run. Glad you finished.  Keep it up.

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I recently was able to re-establish my access with rst after an unfortunate separation.  As I was looking over some of the older articles, I noticed this topic and thought I might add a tale.  I really consider myself a lurker in this group, but have occasionally posted a subject (usually asking for advice), so here goes: I never swam, biked, nor ran competitively during my younger days.  In fact, of the sports that I did participate in, running was usually some form of punishment for goofing off or showing little zeal.  Consequently, I generally hated running for some time and always wondered why would you want to simply run?  Sounded boring. Life was cruising along and it eventually took me to medical school and ultimately into residency.  It also took me into a residency in neurosurgery.  To make a very long story short, for about 3 years I had very little time in my life for anything, sleep and eating included.  I finally was able to finish the most brutal of the residency and enter stages where, though it gets a little time constraining at times, I had some extra time on my hands.  I knew I was in horrible shape.  I’m lean to begin with and probably will never (I hope) look like the "fat-asses" mentioned in several other posts on this subject.  However, I realized I felt awful about my physical shape. So… I never thought about triathlons.  In fact, I had seen the Ironman on tv, but thought, "Kinda’ crazy if you ask me."  But, I started running.  It was the simplest means by which to get back in shape.  No excuses, just throw on the shoes and go.  Somewhere along the line, I bought a road bike, thinking it would be a good diversion from the running both mentally and physically.  I also figured swimming would be the best overall workout and started going to the pool regularly. Then it happened.  I truly believe that had it not been for the countless nights spent in the hospital, I would have never become so intense on getting into shape.  Slowly I began to gain some endurance and started feeling good about myself physically.  I was beginning to make a little progress with my speeds, as well.  So this crazy idea enters my head one day that since I’m doing the work, why not put them together?  I swear that my initial intentions were to just vary the workout.   My first triathlon:  Breezy Point Triathlon, Norfolk Naval Base, Norfolk, Virginia, June 1997.  I won’t make this a race report, but ever since then, I have been obsessed.  I still have a significant commitment to my career (two more years of residency), but whenever I can, I’m training. The days which I’m unable to exercise put me into that foul mood with which most readers can understand.  Why do I continue?  The enjoyment of the training (except headwinds), the purity of individual sport and accomplishment, always looking for something else to buy for my bike?  So many factors probably contribute to my continuing, but I’m still shocked that I got into this game to begin with.   Sorry that I’ve rambled for so long, I’ve tried to synthesize 1 1/2 years as efficiently as I can.  Thanks to all those out there that have been at races or on rst, keeping me interested and motivated. Nathan Simmons —

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I saw a broadcast of a triathalon with this format about a month ago on the SportsChannel (not ESPN).  It was held in Australia with about 15 professional competitors.  Unfortunately I didn’t recognize any of the names at the time and can’t recall any of them now.  The race was held over two days.  The first day was an open water out and back swim (wetsuits allowed).  The bike and run were both held on day 2.  Again, I can’t remember the winning time or any of the splits, but the format does exist.  If you want to dig deeper, maybe this is enough info to get started.

This race took place earlier in the year and was won by Craig Walton , recognise the name now?? (he just won Mrs T’s). it was a pure time trial event with the swim first and all athletes starting seperately. Next there was a bike time trial with athletes starting 3(?) minutes apart , and finally a 10 k with starting times depending on current placing. This race was also part of the ITGP series. DEFINITELY no drafting at all. Brad Beven was favored however crashed quite spectacuarly early in the bike leg. Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Chad

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Has anyone ever held a triathlon in a decathalon format say over 12 hours, to detirmine the world’s best time. Swim: 1500 meters in an olympic pool Bike: 40K in time trial format Run: 10k on the track If anyone knows of any race held in this manner could they post the results up for me!!!!

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IMHO, until someone designs and builds an "official" triathlon-specific venue, there will never be a recognized triathlon world record. "Life’s a brick" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Has anyone ever held a triathlon in a decathalon format say over 12 hours, to detirmine the world’s best time. Swim: 1500 meters in an olympic pool Bike: 40K in time trial format Run: 10k on the track If anyone knows of any race held in this manner could they post the results up for me!!!!

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—snip— : : I don’t think I put the question clearly. : : Has anyone experimented with a race over the Olympic distances to detirmine : the best athlete without the requirement of having transitions. : : For example you could select the best 8 athletes in the world and make them : race at an Olmpic pool & track in the morning and have a time trial format : in the evening. : : I was interested in the times each athlete would be able to achieve in the : individual events. : : I know this format has been used for some low key races before but I have : never heard of it beibg done at an elite level. : : It would be a very interesting race and would detirmine the fastest all : round athlete, : not just the best endurance athlete who is probably excellent in the : transitions as well. No, but there was something that came close. I vaguely remember the "UltraMan (?)" in Hawaii every November. It was a 3 day race with a combo swim/bike on the first day. Finishing the bike on the second, and an ultramarathon on the third day. I don’t know what the distances were, but they were loooooong! I don’t know if it is still going, since I haven’t heard anything from that race in over 3 years. "Iron Pete" Priolo Sub 10 hour IMC’97 —Countdown:19 days until D-Day!!!

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IMHO, until someone designs and builds an "official" triathlon-specific venue, there will never be a recognized triathlon world record. Has anyone ever held a triathlon in a decathalon format say over 12 hours, to detirmine the world’s best time. Swim: 1500 meters in an olympic pool Bike: 40K in time trial format Run: 10k on the track

I don’t think I put the question clearly. Has anyone experimented with a race over the Olympic distances to detirmine the best athlete without the requirement of having transitions. For example you could select the best 8 athletes in the world and make them race at an Olmpic pool & track in the morning and have a time trial format in the evening. I was interested in the times each athlete would be able to achieve in the individual events. I know this format has been used for some low key races before but I have never heard of it beibg done at an elite level. It would be a very interesting race and would detirmine the fastest all round athlete, not just the best endurance athlete who is probably excellent in the transitions as well.

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No, but there was something that came close. I vaguely remember the "UltraMan (?)" in Hawaii every November. It was a 3 day race with a combo swim/bike on the first day. Finishing the bike on the second, and an ultramarathon on the third day. I don’t know what the distances were, but they were loooooong! I don’t know if it is still going, since I haven’t heard anything from that race in over 3 years. "Iron Pete" Priolo

Ultraman is definitely still around, Pete. There was a big article on it in IT last November. The guy who won blazed the double marathon segment in something under 5 hours. Yikes. Chaz

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Iron Pete, They just had a race similiar to what you are looking for in Australia. They did an individual 1.5k swim in a river and recorded their finish times. The next day they did a 40k time trial in the morning and then they did a 10k run in the afternoon. For the run they started the person with the fastest cumlative times for the swim and bike first and then the others started in ascending order after the time they were behind. So the first to cross the line was the overall champ. It was on TV a few weeks ago and there is an article in this months Triathlete or Inside Tri, I cannot remember which one I saw it in. Anyways, Craig Walton won the race. Brad Beven crashed on the bike and was out of it from the beginning. Tom Hyslip

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Needless to say, I use Reload (not GU) during races; it goes down much easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. – Tim Iverson —

If you what an emergency bonk buster try using an instant-gluclose packet. I use insta-gluclose, which I get at a medical supply store. They work much better than GU, and much faster.

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easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. If you what an emergency bonk buster try using an instant-gluclose packet. I use insta-gluclose, which I get at a medical supply store. They work much better than GU, and much faster.

Well, I’ve only bonked once in my life … so it’s not a big concern. However, sometimes I do get sleepy during a long workout.  It goes away after a while if I ignore it, but if it happens in a race – especially near the end – I’ll gobble some GU purely for the caffeine.  It helps to be alert at the finish, where all manner of confusions seem to conglomerate. IMHO, GU has far too much caffeine to use safely as food during a race. – Tim Iverson

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For what it’s worth, yesterday I tried GU for the second time. First time I went slow in the bike on an easy day. Yesterday was time to put the hammer down, and I tried the nasty little packet on an empty stomach, and then went out for my short course time trial. It’s a hilly course, and I have never been able to crack 18mph for 14.5 miles. Yesterday, in hot midday sun, I rode 19mph with strength to spare. Drank one bottle of water as I normally do. Of course, it can’t just be the GU, but I have been training lightly on the bike, and am very surprised at my time. Brian Sullivan

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Brian, I used GU twice myself and have had a similar experience.  It real seems to give that extra shot of energy and endurance.  I plan to try it in a sprint distance triathlon first and then an Olympic distance race later this year.  I am still concerned about stomach problems but so far that has not been the case with GU.

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Not to beat this subject to death (I promise this the last training update on this point!) but yesterday, one day after setting my training PR on the bike, I set my training PR on a 5K run. The only difference between these workouts and the same ones I always do was changing from Powerbars before workouts to GU. Can’t say for sure it’s the GU, but two PRs in two days is hard to ignore. I’m going to keep experimenting with this stuff. BTW, I know in my head that I should rest between hard workouts, but my legs were begging to sprint yesterday, and since that happens so rarely I thought I would let them have their way! Brian Sullivan

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: I just did the same thing a few days ago.  Ten minutes after chowing down on : just one GU I was crawling the ceiling from caffeine overdose.  There’s more : caffeine in those little packets than a 6-pack of JOLT Cola. Anyone have any idea just how much caffeine is in this stuff?   Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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What is GU?  Unfortunately, where I work, GU is a gastric ulcer.  From what I’ve read so far it seems appropriately named.  Don’t think I’m keen to try this particular tri-food. TriGit.

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Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it! jo Redondo Beach, CA

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Anyone have any idea just how much caffeine is in this stuff?   Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

According to the Gu folks, one packet contains the equivalent amount of caffeine found in 1/5 of a cup of coffee.  I called because a local news station reported caffeine levels equal to 6 cups of coffee.  I don’t know where they got their info. Larry

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According to the Gu folks, one packet contains the equivalent amount of caffeine found in 1/5 of a cup of coffee.  I called because a local news station reported caffeine levels equal to 6 cups of coffee.  I don’t know where they got their info.

From my own experience, I can attest to the veracity of the news report.  I can drink a cup of coffee and feel rather alert.  Just one GU packet sent me climbing the walls.  I am more sensitive to caffeine than most, but this doesn’t account for such a radical disparity of reactions. I suppose this could be due to GU-caffeine being more concentrated and/or bio-available than coffee-caffeine, but that stretches my credultiy. – Tim Iverson

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I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop

I just did the same thing a few days ago.  Ten minutes after chowing down on just one GU I was crawling the ceiling from caffeine overdose.  There’s more caffeine in those little packets than a 6-pack of JOLT Cola. Needless to say, I use Reload (not GU) during races; it goes down much easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. – Tim Iverson —

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I’ve used the Gatorade "RELOAD" carbohydrate gel — all flavors — goes down real easy and the taste is very mild. I’ve found that about 10 – 15 minutes after consuming a packet I get a significant boost in energy. Discovered this by accident at the Magic Mountain Stage Race in olean, NY. About 15 minutes before one of the climbs, I "ate" the contents of one of these packets and the climb went amazingly easy — compared to the previous two. Since then I’ve repeated the experiment on several occasions with the results. Placebo effect or not, it seems to work.

| I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, | and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop | had only GU Chocolate Outrage, that’s what I used. Had breakfast at 7 am, | then ate the GU at noon since the pack says to eat it on an empty stomach. | |        Well, the taste was perfectly fine, though the consistency was | pretty thick since it was sitting in a cool drawer and not in the back | pouch of a sweaty singlet. Tasted exactly like chocolate pudding. |        There is no way I could choke this down without water – drinking is |  recommended on the packet. One sip at the end doesn’t do it, you need to | drink while you eat. Consequently, I think this will be harder than | expected to consume on the bike, what with trying to tear off the top, | take a bite (?), hold the pack while grabbing the water bottle (Jetstream | looks better all the time), then eating some more. |        The stuff hit my stomach and caused some interesting flips down | there, but no significant distress. 20 minutes later I hit the road for a | 6 mile run in 90 degree midday heat (dumb, but the only time I could get | out). I had water at mile 4 (water fountain) and maintained a comfortable | pace so I wouldn’t blow up in the heat. Ran fine, felt strong, and never | felt the least bit uncomfortable. Can’t say for sure that the GU helped | much, but it certainly didn’t hurt. Next step is to try it in the middle | of a longer run, and make an attempt while riding the bike. | | Brian Sullivan

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I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop had only GU Chocolate Outrage, that’s what I used. Had breakfast at 7 am, then ate the GU at noon since the pack says to eat it on an empty stomach.        Well, the taste was perfectly fine, though the consistency was pretty thick since it was sitting in a cool drawer and not in the back pouch of a sweaty singlet. Tasted exactly like chocolate pudding.        There is no way I could choke this down without water – drinking is  recommended on the packet. One sip at the end doesn’t do it, you need to drink while you eat. Consequently, I think this will be harder than expected to consume on the bike, what with trying to tear off the top, take a bite (?), hold the pack while grabbing the water bottle (Jetstream looks better all the time), then eating some more.        The stuff hit my stomach and caused some interesting flips down there, but no significant distress. 20 minutes later I hit the road for a 6 mile run in 90 degree midday heat (dumb, but the only time I could get out). I had water at mile 4 (water fountain) and maintained a comfortable pace so I wouldn’t blow up in the heat. Ran fine, felt strong, and never felt the least bit uncomfortable. Can’t say for sure that the GU helped much, but it certainly didn’t hurt. Next step is to try it in the middle of a longer run, and make an attempt while riding the bike. Brian Sullivan

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Anything and everything.  Not interested in the discs, though.  I’m looking to get an aero rear wheel, and I’ve pretty much narrowed my choice down to one of HED’s deep rim spoked wheels; they seem to be the best deal.  I’d like to learn something about the relative merits of their various wheels:  the Ironman Triathlon Jet, the HED CX, the J2, the HED Deep, the HED Jet.  What are the characteristics of each?  What are the plusses and minuses?  How about relative pricing? I’ve currently got a Campy Shamal front, which I really like, but my derailleur is Ultegra and I don’t want to mess with mixing up my drivetrain.  So, I’m basically looking for a good aero rear wheel with a clincher rim and Shimano 8-speed cassette hub that *DOESN’T* cost as much as, say, a Spinergy or a Tri-Spoke, and that has an alloy braking surface (Zipp’s b.s. is carbon fiber, so it’s out). I know, I shoulda been paying attention the last time this topic was raised on RST, but at the time, I thought I’d just stick with my good old training wheel!  However, I broke a spoke last week, had to get the whole wheel relaced, and my mechanic advised me to go with 14-gauge spokes (Yipe!!) to really make that puppy bomb-proof.  So now, of course, that rear wheel is heavier, and I’m using that as my excuse to get a nice racing wheel!  (Any excuse will do, really…) Any info/advice appreciated. Many thanks— Tricia — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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I recently purchased a set of HED Jet wheels for use in triathlons.  The wheels are clinchers with 24 spokes front, 28 rear and 7sp cassette.  I have used the wheels in two events and am very pleased with the performance.  I have not put enough races on them to give you any input as to their durability.

Where did you get them, and how much did they cost? Thanks! Tricia — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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Anything and everything.  Not interested in the discs, though.  I’m looking to get an aero rear wheel, and I’ve pretty much narrowed my choice down to one of HED’s deep rim spoked wheels; they seem to be the best deal.  I’d like to learn something about the relative merits of their various wheels:  the Ironman Triathlon Jet, the HED CX, the J2, the HED Deep, the HED Jet.  What are the characteristics of each?  What are the plusses and minuses?  How about relative pricing? I’ve currently got a Campy Shamal front, which I really like, but my derailleur is Ultegra and I don’t want to mess with mixing up my drivetrain.  So, I’m basically looking for a good aero rear wheel with a clincher rim and Shimano 8-speed cassette hub that *DOESN’T* cost as much as, say, a Spinergy or a Tri-Spoke, and that has an alloy braking surface (Zipp’s b.s. is carbon fiber, so it’s out).

Tricia, I’ve got just the person for you.  Try Dave Thomas (Dave’s Wheels). Give him a call his number is in the back of Triathlete.  He’s very knowledgable about all the wheels and can build anything you want, literally. I’ve had a few wheels built by him. My front 20 spoke I bought 3 years ago is still dead true.  I even used it as a training wheel for half on one season when I trashed my training wheel (no comments please). Last year he custom built a HED jet for me and it came out great (and cheaper). The guy is one of those classic craftsman type wheel builders.  He is still building wheels for Mike Pigg.  Actually, I’m about to buy another set from him. I only have a few of his wheels and he still remembers me. Excellent work for a fair price. John (lookout! he’s got a spoke wrench and knows how to use it.)K. p.s. I found his number(s).  He’s in Sonoma  800-275-5031 or      707-939-9526. Tell him I sent ya. Well…..I don’t know      if that will help you or hurt you.

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Ah yes, but special info – anyone in NZ or FNQ-Aus know of any whizzy wheels for sale second hand that would suit triathloning/duathloning in hilly conditions (ie more emphasis on wieght than on aero-ness)?  Why second hand? Cos I’m poor. Another option would be a good 2nd hand rear disc or tri-spoke (you know, so long as it looks good and worries the oppostion it doesn’t really matter what it is).

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I recently purchased a set of HED Jet wheels for use in triathlons.  The wheels are clinchers with 24 spokes front, 28 rear and 7sp cassette.  I have used the wheels in two events and am very pleased with the performance.  I have not put enough races on them to give you any input as to their durability.

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Will my canceled check be my only souvenir from the Hammerhead ‘95 Triathlon? Does anyone have any more information regarding Northwind?

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Will my canceled check be my only souvenir from the Hammerhead ‘95 Triathlon? Does anyone have any more information regarding Northwind?

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I talked to the Santa Cruz police today.  They said Northwind dude is under arrest and the race is canceled.  We are supposed to get our money back within 90 days, but don’t hold your breath.

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thought was Achilles tendinitis, which was later upgraded to Plantar Fasciitis. All conventional treatments have been ineffective, stretching, strengthening, ice, heat, cortisone, orthotics etc etc.  My right heel area still aches after I have been on my feet for more than a few minutes and gets worse the longer I am on my feet.  The aching often extends up my shin and down to my toes.  I am now being told that maybe I have a stress fracture of the calcaneum, although it doesn’t show up on X-rays or bone scans.         Does anyone out there have any experience with stress fractures ?  Is it possible it would not be visible on X-rays abd scans ?  How long do they take to heal ?  Is it reasonable that continuing to walk on it would prevent healing for more than 2 years ?  Before i take the drastic step of a fracture brace and crutches it would be nice to know of other’s experience.         Thnaks — Dr. Chris Davis Physics Department University of Louisville Louisville, KY 40292 (502) 588-0852

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Stress fractures DO NOT show up on traditional X-rays, you need a bone scan done. It takes 4-12 weeks depending on severity and location of fracture Recovery exercises and allowable activity during recovery depend on location of fracture. I.E. a femoral neck fracture could disable the leg for life if not taken care of with SERIOUS rest(NO ACTIVITY)while fractures to smaller bones in the foot you can do almost anything else while recovering. DISCLAIMER:  I AM NO DOCTOR, JUST a tri-geek with stress fracture experience. — Brendan R. Leitch                           Bell Northern Research Ltd. DMS Transport Layer Messaging Voice: (613) 763-9425            FAX: (613) 763-8864         ESN: 393-9425                  ESN: 393-8864 Surface Mail: MS 145, P.O. BOX 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7

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Knock on wood, I have never gone thru stress fractures and I surely do symphatize with anyone who does. I will pass on one piece of advice from an excellent triathlete who used to have that problem. It does not help recovery but is a good preventive step. One bright doctor (and they are really rare in my opinion if bright is defined as symphathetic to athlete’s needs) told her that strength building would help and devised a simple scheme. She used to watch TV with a pillowcase over her ankle with light weights while she rocked her foot in a particular way that slowly built the necessary muscles. I never watched this but have noted strethcing classes that have a motion that is supposed to help. Once you get past this particular episode, see if you can find someone to help you find a routine that will prevent a reoccurrence…Good luck!

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