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Or use IE. Without meaning to start an IE v Netscape flame war, Netscape has always been an extremely ‘fussy’ browser and if, for example, Deja (I assume you mean Google Groups as Deja are no more) have left out a close </TABLE tag or something within their HTML, then Netscape often starts crying about it. IE won’t, on the other hand, and cleverly makes the most of what it reads, assuming that the table should be closed.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been reading them thru deja for a month and it does work with no problems. I went back and unsubscribed from all groups and then added rec.running alone and tried it, then went back, unsubscribed from that and added rec.sport.triathlon and tried that one too. When I click on either one to start downloading messages, Netscape locks up completely. I guess I should try reinstalling Netscape and see if that makes a difference. Wouldn’t memory affect more groups then just those 2? I suspect you are not really isolating those groups. Try starting over with only those two groups and I bet they will work. It seems something is getting overloaded and those groups just happen to provide the final push. It could be that other groups being higher in alphabetical order are getting first dibs on memory allocation. What I was suggesting starts by going to the web page www.dejanews.com . That would let you try it as a webpage rather than the traditional newsgroup reader. —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email
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You mention "locking up." Perhaps something is just taking a long time to work itself out? If possible (i.e. you have unlimited time) try opening at night and see if it is displayed when you get up in the morning. There are probably files created on your computer which may be corrupted. Try searching for "triathlon" and "running". Move or delete them to see if Netscape will regenerate. It’s quite possible that your service has run short of space, or perhaps even your own hard drive. Are there any groups that work that would be behind in alphabetical order?
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That fixed it. I subscribed under IE and I can now read the messages without shutting down my system. Thanks for the idea.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Or use IE. Without meaning to start an IE v Netscape flame war, Netscape has always been an extremely ‘fussy’ browser and if, for example, Deja (I assume you mean Google Groups as Deja are no more) have left out a close </TABLE tag or something within their HTML, then Netscape often starts crying about it. IE won’t, on the other hand, and cleverly makes the most of what it reads, assuming that the table should be closed.
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I talked to them about it a few times already. Of course they tell me that they can’t do anything about it since it is not all the groups. They told me to send an email to the newsgroups’ administrator. Verizon is pretty much useless when you have a problem. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – For the past month I have had trouble accessing this group through my regular server. I can access other newsgroups with no problem but when I try to open this up my system locks up. Has anyone else had this problem or know who I can send an email to to try and resolve it? Thanks Your ISP. (Internet Service Provider) Probably Bell Atlantic in you case. The "group" as such doesn’t really exist in one particular place or on a specific server. Phil —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email
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For the past month I have had trouble accessing this group through my regular server. I can access other newsgroups with no problem but when I try to open this up my system locks up. Has anyone else had this problem or know who I can send an email to to try and resolve it? Thanks —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts
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For the past month I have had trouble accessing this group through my regular server. I can access other newsgroups with no problem but when I try to open this up my system locks up. Has anyone else had this problem or know who I can send an email to to try and resolve it? Thanks
Your ISP. (Internet Service Provider) Probably Bell Atlantic in you case. The "group" as such doesn’t really exist in one particular place or on a specific server. Phil —– Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the eb —– http://newsone.net/ — Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam. If this or other posts made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email
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Chances are you are running out of memory in some sub-category. (Putting more memory in your computer may not solve it.) You might try just changing your routine, reading the tri group just after booting up. …or try this: Try going to www.dejanews.com . Type in "triathlon" then search all groups. Select rec.sport.triathlon.
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I have been using deja to read both newsgroups for the past month. All the other groups seem to be working fine now. The only ones with a problem are rec.running and rec.sport.triathlon. I have tried unsubscribing from all and then resubscribing and those 2 still won’t work. Wouldn’t memory affect more groups then just those 2? Chances are you are running out of memory in some sub-category. (Putting more memory in your computer may not solve it.) You might try just changing your routine, reading the tri group just after booting up. ….or try this: Try going to www.dejanews.com . Type in "triathlon" then search all groups. Select rec.sport.triathlon.
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Wouldn’t memory affect more groups then just those 2?
I suspect you are not really isolating those groups. Try starting over with only those two groups and I bet they will work. It seems something is getting overloaded and those groups just happen to provide the final push. It could be that other groups being higher in alphabetical order are getting first dibs on memory allocation. What I was suggesting starts by going to the web page www.dejanews.com . That would let you try it as a webpage rather than the traditional newsgroup reader.
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I have been reading them thru deja for a month and it does work with no problems. I went back and unsubscribed from all groups and then added rec.running alone and tried it, then went back, unsubscribed from that and added rec.sport.triathlon and tried that one too. When I click on either one to start downloading messages, Netscape locks up completely. I guess I should try reinstalling Netscape and see if that makes a difference.
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… I do not speak for everybody but from what i have read Tom you seem to be alone on this one buddy. Even if that were true, "So whut?". Besides, we’ve already seen posts from folks who said they’d have disqualified them, so I’ve got at least one supporter (not that it really matters).
Along with a post from Charlie Crawford – one of the IMH refs who states that crawling is allowed. For the sake of your arguments, it most certainly does matter. Besides, the real point here is what is acceptable for the sport. I simply refuse to accept that allowing, sanctioning or otherwise encouraging athletes to enter the danger zone does nothing good for the sport of triathlon. Nada. Zilch.
And I would simply ask, who are you to tell me I can’t enter some real or imagined "danger zone"? I’m an adult. I accept responsibility for my actions. I am doing my first IronMan at IMC next year and, given my rather limited physical capabilities, I will very likely come close to that "danger zone." I accept that. I accept that the IMC medical people may keep a close eye on me and may even have to make a decision that I won’t like. But if I end up crawling the last 50 yards, I sure as hell will appreciate them allowing me to "degrade" myself so I can fullfill a dream. Who the hell are you to say that’s wrong? Mike "TriBop" Tennent Remove "nospam." for email reply IMC ‘98 IronVirgins Website http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/imc_iv.htm WebRunner Running Page http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/running.htm My Model Railroad Layout http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/srr.htm
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : My rationale for pursuing this is simpy this: it is bad for : the athletes and the sport to allow folks to approach the : brink of death in an organized event. When triathlon is : struggling for mainstream acceptance, these events will only : increase the gap between us and the real world. Yes, I see your point. I mean, motor racing has a real problem with the dichotomy of approaching the brink of death in organized events vs. mainstream acceptance. Hardly anybody watches it or sponsors it, and nobody projects themselves into the sport by buying fast cars or driving like maniacs on public roads. Similarly, boxing, football, and hockey are all rapidly fading from spectator and participatory favor due to the risks involved and the brutality of the spectacle.
LOL! Good God, man, I hope you aren’t serious. You WANT TO be considered in the same light as those sports? I hope you were merely extending a hyperbolic argument. Seriously, the "gap" between "us" and the "real world" …<most folks understand and watch the Olympics – snipped but it isn’t going to demean us in the eyes of anyone whose opinion is worth us caring about.
Well, part of the real world is "us", too. So what does that say for one’s own self-worth? If you think that it is good for triathlon to stoop so low (pardon the obvious pun), then you might as well take up a blood sport. Tom
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: My rationale for pursuing this is simpy this: it is bad for : the athletes and the sport to allow folks to approach the : brink of death in an organized event. When triathlon is : struggling for mainstream acceptance, these events will only : increase the gap between us and the real world. Yes, I see your point. I mean, motor racing has a real problem with the dichotomy of approaching the brink of death in organized events vs. mainstream acceptance. Hardly anybody watches it or sponsors it, and nobody projects themselves into the sport by buying fast cars or driving like maniacs on public roads. Similarly, boxing, football, and hockey are all rapidly fading from spectator and participatory favor due to the risks involved and the brutality of the spectacle. Seriously, the "gap" between "us" and the "real world" (huh?) exists only because most of the "real world" is populated by couch potatoes, not because we are thrill-seeking death-wish maniacs. Healthy active people are capable of understanding triathlon (at all distances and intensities) and we are not going to lose favor or lose potential participants by having someone crawl over the line after an Ironman (whether it be a 70 year old man at 12:01am or a lithe elite female in the middle of the day), anymore than road racing lost favor when Bob Kempanian puked fluorescent bile (repeatedly!! eeewwww!) on national TV during the marathon trials or Uta Pippig struggled to the finish of a marathon with blood streaming down her legs or cycling did when Greg Lemond crapped in his pants on a TdF stage or nordic skiing does when the Agony of Defeat guy goes spinning off the edge of the jump or gymnastics does when Kerri Strug scrunches up her face in pain and hops around on her tweaked ankle. Sure, the ESPN Sportscenter ("if it’s not the Big 4 it’s Crrrrraaaaaapp") guys will make fun of any and all of the above for a few minutes, but it isn’t going to demean us in the eyes of anyone whose opinion is worth us caring about. Wade Blomgren wade @ hobbes.ucsd.edu
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: : : My rationale for pursuing this is simpy this: it is bad for : : the athletes and the sport to allow folks to approach the : : brink of death in an organized event. When triathlon is : : struggling for mainstream acceptance, these events will only : : increase the gap between us and the real world. : : : Yes, I see your point. I mean, motor racing has a real problem with : the dichotomy of approaching the brink of death in organized events : vs. mainstream acceptance. Hardly anybody watches it or sponsors it, : and nobody projects themselves into the sport by buying fast : cars or driving like maniacs on public roads. Similarly, boxing, : football, and hockey are all rapidly fading from spectator and : participatory favor due to the risks involved and the brutality of the : spectacle. : : LOL! Good God, man, I hope you aren’t serious. You WANT TO : be considered in the same light as those sports? Well, I’m serious in that I mean those sports don’t have any trouble with mainstream acceptance. I myself certainly don’t have any particular affinity for them, and no, I don’t wish my athletic endeavors to be regarded in the same light as those particular "sports". My point is that you seem to be concerned about the reputation of triathlon as a brutal agony festival and yet mainstream society gets a big kick out of things of that nature. So by what "mainstream" are you clamoring for us to be accepted? Yuppie tree hugging upper middle class college graduate baby-kissing dog-tummy-rubbing mentally and physically fit public-television-pledging no-Bud-only-homebrew squares (like me)? There’s really not much of anybody else to be concerned about once you’ve divorced yourself from people who like car racing and football and so forth. And: A) That’s not the mainstream B) I speculate that people in that "category" and relevant variations for the most part are not averse to, and not in need of distancing themselves from, for example, a modest bit of personal sacrifice and limit pushing that results in bringing someone to her knees in the last few meters of a 10 hour, 140 mile test of endurance and fortitude. Do you propose we eliminate the catchers at the end of triathlons and marathons, and rule that if you bend over or fall down after you cross the line, you are DQ’d because you went too hard? Video of the medical tent would probably be far more deeply embarrassing than video of someone crawling, I would think. You don’t want triathlon to be perceived as extreme but the fact of the matter is that Ironman (which for better or worse is "triathlon" to the uninitiated) is way damned extreme. If Ironman is not your cup of tea, so be it. But you don’t need to protect the world from the "raw reality" (M. Allen) of it. Should Chris Legh have been pulled from the course? Absolutely. Is it a shame that he (apparently) pushed himself too hard? Yes. And yet should we deny (for example, as he has hypothetically described) Mike Tennent the opportunity to (coherently) crawl on bloody knees the last few meters down Lakeshore drive and prostrate himself on the red carpet at the finish line of the race of his lifetime at IMC next year? I don’t think that is your or my decision to make. Why would someone lower themselves to the point of reaching for a brass ring from their knees? Human nature. Al Trautwig or John Tesh or somebody once purported that the "Ironman creed" is "Fight. Finish." I can’t disagree. For your enjoyment, some other possibly smarmy cliches and lyrics not inconsistent with the "Ironman creed": Everyone dies. Not everyone lives. It’s better to burn out than to fade away. Take your best pony and ride into your worst fear. If at first you don’t succeed, try try again. I’ve never been tested, but if I was I’d like to think I would pass. Would-of could-of should-of. Because it’s there. On the bicycle there is always much suffering. If you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk. Lead, follow, or get out of the way. No fear. Just do it. blah blah blah yada yada yada Why do people come up with phrases like these? Why am I spouting cliches? I don’t know. This is an interesting topic and I’m still trying to sort it out in my mind. I really do want to see the video, maybe after we all see it we’ll have a better basis for discussion. I blew up so hard 2 hours after IMC that I did in fact wonder if something was seriously wrong. If I might die. I was pretty sure that wasn’t going to happen but I was writhing around pretty good. My wife blew up so hard after her first marathon we were on the phone to urgent care at midnight. Insane. Why would I do that to myself? Ask me in Penticton on August 30th 1998. Ask her at the Rock & Roll Marathon on June 21st. We may not have reasonable answers. We may not have any answers. Or we may chicken out and not even be there 
. And of course our primary goals will include NOT feeling that bad afterwards, we’re not completely nuts. Wade Blomgren wade @ hobbes.ucsd.edu
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… Can you see it…someone sitting there thinking "man these girls are in trouble, but lets let them continue because we will get more commercials and attention if we let it unfold".
Tell me that the Julie Moss episode didn’t galvanize network attention. Tom
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"One word answer: MONEY (from TV, endorsements, finish line prizes, etc.) Tom" Tom, I think you have an entirely unfounded cynical and uninformed and un-thought-out position on this. Exactly 40 minutes before Sian and Wendy went down to the line, WTC President David Yates and Ironman Medical Director Robert Laird examined Chris Legh and called his race over even though he was trying to crawl 100 yards from the finish line. They did it because Chris Legh was no longer able to marshal any forward progress and he was in essence out on his feet. The best parallel is boxing: Good referees call the bout when a fighter is no longer able to defend himself or know consciously where he is and what he is doing. Sian and Wendy both were totally conscious, focused and driving to within a few yards of the finish line. Only they had a glycogen bonk and were temporarily unable to maintain leg muscle control. Medical personnel get there when an athlete’s progress has stopped and examine and ask the athlete a series of questions to make sure there is nothing serious going on. Since athletes are not allowed help or they are disqualified, medical personnel are very careful to determine the medical status of an athlete and are ordered to override an athlete who clearly is no longer in control, or is in possible danger, even though they may desperately want to continue. In this case, it happend in a few seconds — there sas no time to step in that quickly — and no one had stopped tryin g to move. They were struggling., but moving nonetheless, and trying mightily to get the last few feet. This was very similar to Julie Moss in 1982 — she had glycogen depletion but was in no serious trouble. It was not heat exhaustion. Julie as well as Wendy and Sian were fine shortly afterward. The implication that TV producers, WTC president Yates, medical director Robert Laird, amnd race director Sharron Ackles and anyone else is cyunically risking athletes lives is preposterous. I know all of them personally and they care very deeply about all the athletes and all decisions are made with safety foremost.. I know as far as media access goes at Ironman safety trumps exposure every time. Timothy Carlson
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"Tell me that the Julie Moss episode didn’t galvanize network attention. Tom " Of course it did. But the reason it was moving television is that the people filming saw something that was human and moving and inspiring and they were inspired to film it and share it with the world. Everything else — more money, popularity of the sport, better ratings — followed WITHOUT the prior calculation of the broadcasters. Anything done calculated to have that effect is doomed to ring false and NOT have that effect. People reacted to the Julie Moss finish in 1982 because it was REAL. The reaction of the TV crew was REAL. The response by viewers was REAL. It was something happening in the moment, could not be planned, and was authentically moving. The cynicism about such things — they CAN’T be planned — is what is unreal. You may of course take the position on protracted OJ Simpson trial coverage that dragged on for years and you would be closer to the truth. But it is my posoition that the Julie Moss episode was in no way parallel and was in no way handled badly. It happened in a moment and the world stood bask and wondered. Timothy Carlson
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Tell me that the Julie Moss episode didn’t galvanize network attention. Tom
It did Tom, but I don’t think they planned it that way. Same this year also. Any human with a shred of conscience would immediately react to this with concern, not with how many bucks this is going to make. I just can’t see the type of immediate reaction in anybody. If given time to think it out, maybe, but this happened in seconds, so I cannot believe this is money driven. "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96 – 10:36:37 IMC’97 – 10:42:53 ‘98 Gulf Coast Tri, IMC’98
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"Tell me that the Julie Moss episode didn’t galvanize network attention. Of course it did. But the reason it was moving television is that the people filming saw something that was human and moving and inspiring and they were inspired to film it and share it with the world.
Sure… and what it caused was a surge in triathlon participation. And it was awe-inspiring to say the least. And concern provoking. Like when Jan Ripple did the same thing in Orlando at the Worlds. So what happened to all that concern? Everything else — more money, popularity of the sport, better ratings — followed WITHOUT the prior calculation of the broadcasters. Anything done calculated to have that effect is doomed to ring false and NOT have that effect.
And despite the fact that we’ve seen this repeated an rules were put inplace, it happens still (to some, at least!). Why? People reacted to the Julie Moss finish in 1982 because it was REAL. The reaction of the TV crew was REAL. The response by viewers was REAL. It was something happening in the moment, could not be planned, and was authentically moving. The cynicism about such things — they CAN’T be planned — is what is unreal.
At the risk of appearing like an extra in the latest Mel Gibson movie, how do you know that? More inportantly, what was all the hue and cry about vis a vis the "no crawl" rule (or drafting for that matter – since we are talking about rules and their enforcement or lack thereof)? You may of course take the position on protracted OJ Simpson trial coverage that dragged on for years and you would be closer to the truth. But it is my posoition that the Julie Moss episode was in no way parallel and was in no way handled badly.
I agree 100%. Unforeseen event. Never happened. One of a kind. Never to be repeated – NOT! However, I simply refuse to believe that the organizers of this event (IMH 97) could not (hey, the rule was there!) not have foreseen this eventuality given the conditions of the day. They appear to have chosen to allow some athletes to be at risk for some reason. I can only think of one good one. What do you think? Tom
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:"One word answer: MONEY (from TV, endorsements, finish line :prizes, etc.) : :Tom, I think you have an entirely unfounded cynical and uninformed and : un-thought-out position on this. : :Why thank-you! ;=) Nice to start off objectively. No :matter… :… :Oh, this is just sweet. So now you are saying that triathlon :should be a "blood sport"? Isn’t the snaction on crawling :there to keep the sport off that slippery slope? Citing from "Rules and Reg’s of the ironman", to be found at http://www.ironmantri.com/rules.html 1.No form of locomotion other than running, walking or crawl- ing is allowed. So there. _What_ is your point? — Ulrich Porsch Wer spricht vom Siegen, "Ubersteh’n ist alles
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… 1.No form of locomotion other than running, walking or crawl- ing is allowed. So there. _What_ is your point?
My comments had segued from earlier posts (maybe you missed them as some newsservers are , well, unreliable) that looked at the Trifed rules. And in addition the USOC states in its accepted triathlon rules: " The competitor may run or walk. The competitor may not crawl. … Any competitor who appears to officials to present a danger to themselves or others may be removed from the competition. " So ask yourself, why, ven after the Moss event IMH continues to allow such displays of … I don’t even know the right word here. Tom
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… I do not speak for everybody but from what i have read Tom you seem to be alone on this one buddy.
Even if that were true, "So whut?". Besides, we’ve already seen posts from folks who said they’d have disqualified them, so I’ve got at least one supporter (not that it really matters). Besides, the real point here is what is acceptable for the sport. I simply refuse to accept that allowing, sanctioning or otherwise encouraging athletes to enter the danger zone does nothing good for the sport of triathlon. Nada. Zilch. What it does is just prove to the sporting world and the populace at large is that triathlon (IM distance) is a "sport" for wackos (which may not be far from the truth <g). If _you_ want to see traithlons in th eX-treme Sports clips fine. But I believe that it should be a testment to endurance, not stupidity. Tom
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, this is just sweet. So now you are saying that triathlon should be a "blood sport"? Isn’t the snaction on crawling there to keep the sport off that slippery slope? Even so, I suggest you take a cruise to the library and look up Marquis de Queensbury. And try and show me how those rules established in about 1860 apply to say, the latest Tyson fight. Sian and Wendy both were totally conscious, focused and driving to within a few yards of the finish line. Only they had a glycogen bonk and were temporarily unable to maintain leg muscle control. Medical personnel get there when an athlete’s progress has stopped and examine and ask the athlete a series of questions to make sure there is nothing serious going on. Oh… I see now. The rule on crawling is simply made to be broken if the finishers are female and in the money. Why bother to DQ anyone then? Like say someone who swims like a rock and misses the swim cut-off but by virtue of skill in the ride and run could easily made the final deadline. Or maybe the BOPpers don’t count then?
I suppose this would be a credible argument IF crawlng was illegal – which it apparently isn’t in IMH competition. I don’t have access to the IMH rules, but several posters who do have stated that. I checked the IMC rules and it clearly states that crawling is allowed. Since it’s the same organization, I assume the rules are the same. So, it wasn’t a matter of bending any rules. At IMH and IMC, you CAN crawl. OK? The only real question is whether the ladies were in medical danger and should have been DQ’d under those guidelines. No-one has claimed that, so far. Debate all you want as to how it looks, if w’ere lunatics, is it pandering to the masses, etc. But it wasn’t a rule violation to crawl. Sheesh. Mike "TriBop" Tennent Remove "nospam." for email reply IMC ‘98 IronVirgins Website http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/imc_iv.htm WebRunner Running Page http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/running.htm My Model Railroad Layout http://www.gate.net/~wbrunner/srr.htm
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Who peed in your cheerios?
Who slipped Halcyon into yours? <smile Tom
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…so I cannot believe this is money driven.
"Pete, did you ever see that study that asked people if they’d take a drug that would guarantee them a gold medal even if it meant a debilitating illness 5 yrs from the event? Scary results. "There are lots of strange motivators… and money is one of the best (despite what Maslow said in his hierarchy of needs). Tom" Despite my 100 percent disagreement with Tom Ruta, this guy is an Ironman in his own way. He stood his ground here and replied at least 7 or 8 times on this thread, defending his position. FInally, everyone else left and when the dust cleared, he was the only one standing. Me? I am crawling to the finish line — to sleep. Timothy Carlson I think this is a record.
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: : : …so I cannot believe this is money driven. : : "Pete, did you ever see that study that asked people if : they’d take a drug that would guarantee them a gold medal : even if it meant a debilitating illness 5 yrs from the : event? Scary results. : : "There are lots of strange motivators… and money is one of : the best (despite what Maslow said in his hierarchy of : needs). : : Tom" : : Despite my 100 percent disagreement with Tom Ruta, : this guy is an Ironman in his own way. He stood his ground here and replied at : least 7 or 8 times on this thread, defending his position. FInally, everyone : else left and when the dust cleared, he was the only one standing. : : Me? I am crawling to the finish line — to sleep. : : Timothy Carlson : : I think this is a record. No, Tom and I just have different opinions on the motivators here. He just explained his points, and, hopefully, I mine. We are only speculating what is going though people’s minds when this scene unfolded; the bottom line is that I hope he is wrong. No offense Tom. Anyway, I cannot pass any more judgements on this thing until I actually *see* what happened there, I won’t make any more of this at this time. — "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96: 10:36:37 IMC’97: 10:42:53 ‘98 Gulf Coast Tri, IMC’98
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Hi! I was wondering if anybody has heard or experienced anything similar to my problem. After a long run ( 2 hours) I feel a burning sensation in my stomach. Its as though too much acid is being produced… I was in bed for 3 hours after the run last Sunday. Yesterday it wasn’t as bad but I still felt the burn…. I don’t eat anything before my run. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks — Ms. Padma Varanasi 4800 Oak Grove Drive Pasadena, CA 91109 Work: 818/393-0754 [NASA/JPL]
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I was wondering if anybody has heard or experienced anything similar to my problem. After a long run ( 2 hours) I feel a burning sensation in my stomach. Its as though too much acid is being produced… I was in bed for 3 hours after the run last Sunday. Yesterday it wasn’t as bad but I still felt the burn…. I don’t eat anything before my run. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I have never felt anything like you describe, however physiologically I know that the main product of muscle contraction is Lactic Acid. Acid is disposed of in two ways. Either it is coverted in to H2O and CO2 and blown off by the lungs, or it inactivated by the kindey and stomach. The discomfort my be related to acid stored in your stomach, or the overworking of your kindeys and stomach. You are experinencing acidosis, smiply too much acid by-product in your system. As for a remidy, try an antacid. I perfer tums. -Graham Casanova Alig Graham is not a doctor, but he plays one on the Net.
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I was wondering if anybody has heard or experienced anything similar to my problem. After a long run ( 2 hours) I feel a burning sensation in my stomach. Its as though too much acid is being produced… I was in bed for 3 hours after the run last Sunday. Yesterday it wasn’t as bad but I still felt the burn…. I don’t eat anything before my run. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Stuff deleted.. As for a remidy, try an antacid. I perfer tums.
This used to be a common problem for me when I started running. As the previous respondent says, an antacid does the trick. But in order to prevent the discomfort in the first place I have found that strengthening my abdominal muscles (sit-ups) has made a world of difference. I suggested this to a friend who complained of the same problem and it worked for him too. Another thing though, this discomfort still crops up, though not to the same extent, upon completion of the occasional triathlon. This leads me to believe that the problem also has something to do with over-exertion, so perhaps you should be taking it a bit easier on your runs. — Dept. of Systems and Computer Engineering, Carleton University Ottawa, ON, Canada K1S 5B6
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I have had a similar discomfort after long runs – especially in heat. I would run at night, and the pain in my stomach and bowels would sometimes keep me up all night. I don’t get it so much in cool weather, and the weather here is still cool. Don’t know what it is, but I know what made it worse – at least in my case: carbonated beverages. Also, GATORADE made it a bit worse. In fact, plain WATER made it worse to a significant degree. I found that the pain was manageable if I drank fruit juice instead. Now here’s the weird part: apple juice gives me gas under normal circumstances, but it’s very soothing after a long run. Also, orange juice, somewhat diluted, works, even though it is quite acid. Pineapple juice doesn’t work so well for me. Your mileage will, of course, vary. So… Try the fruit juice and see a doc. Good luck. -Larry C.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if anybody has heard or experienced anything similar to my problem. After a long run ( 2 hours) I feel a burning sensation in my stomach. Its as though too much acid is being produced… I was in bed for 3 hours after the run last Sunday. Yesterday it wasn’t as bad but I still felt the burn…. I don’t eat anything before my run. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have never felt anything like you describe, however physiologically I know that the main product of muscle contraction is Lactic Acid. Acid is disposed of in two ways. Either it is coverted in to H2O and CO2 and blown off by the lungs, or it inactivated by the kindey and stomach. The discomfort my be related to acid stored in your stomach, or the overworking of your kindeys and stomach. You are experinencing acidosis, smiply too much acid by-product in your system. As for a remidy, try an antacid. I perfer tums. -Graham Casanova Alig Graham is not a doctor, but he plays one on the Net.
Try eating something before you run. Lactic acid should not have anything to do with it since you should be producing no more acid than at rest unless you are sprinting hard during your long run. You might also want to see a doctor to make sure you don’t have an ulcer. David matiskella
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Hi! I was wondering if anybody has heard or experienced anything similar to my problem. After a long run ( 2 hours) I feel a burning sensation in my stomach. Its as though too much acid is being produced… I was in bed for 3 hours after the run last Sunday. Yesterday it wasn’t as bad but I still felt the burn…. I don’t eat anything before my run.
Although I very rarely suggest this, I recommend that you see your physician about this. Your symptoms may be evidence of a serious underlying problem (eg. ulcer, heart problem, etc.). If you were in bed for 3 hours, your pain was fairly severe. I wouldn’t wait on it either. With regard to another response to your posting, a potential lactic acidosis in the body is regulated by the kidneys and lungs. The stomach is not involved in compensating for excess acid in the body. Whether or not an antacid helps relieve your symptoms, I would still see a physician. (the usual disclaimers – I’m not a physician, etc.)
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