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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

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bicycling…

:: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :: hiking. :: :: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :: that they lost or are losing the weight? :: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer :: joy of it? :: :: -Bear :: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) :: :: 297/276/210

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The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

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Well, I am training to compete this year in a triathlon or a few if I like it.  I enjoy hiking as well, which I can do my easier now.  I play tennis volleyball and other sports with much more ease now.  Getting this weight off is a life changer for sure.  Not to mention looking better. Enjoy, Curt

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Yep. That’s why hiking is my second favorite activity JC. — – Bear  Grrrrrrrr   : o) 297/276/210 http://home.earthlink.net/~polarbear50/index.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. — JC Eat less, exercise more. — I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

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Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight?

I’m looking forward to including myself in the hillwalking/history walking some friends do. We all go to Wales in August for a week or so, and until last year I never gave much thought to staying on and joining my friends as they visit castles, go round country houses and up mountains.  This year I’m seriously considering joining them.  In theory I should be well down to a weight where I can cope easily, rather than wandering along at the back feeling winded and miserable and wondering why I bothered. — Lexin (300/229/182) (5′7) LC since 9 June 2003

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it? -Bear Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) 297/276/210

I find I can swim farther and faster, weather’s too crappy to bike or run, but I’m hoping for similar improvement. Tom 196/181/170

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m into weightlifting right now, so I look forward to continued improvements in that area.  I won’t ever look like Krista at www.stumtptuous.com/weights.html – but I have a mental picture in mind of what I want to look like.  Actually, it’s a little embarrassing to admit, but I saw a server at an Outback Steakhouse I went to on my business trip last week, and I’ve put her in mind for my goal.  She was built a bit more like me than Krista is, she was trim but not superlow bodyfat, and man! those muscles.  She was totally hot.  That’s what I want to look like. Ahem.  You did ask about *activities*, didn’t you.  Well, last time I visited my inlaws I went for a walk with them in a park with a trail that leads to the top of a dam.  I had a lot of trouble with it, as some of it is rather steep; my legs burned, I ran out of breath and had to sit down.  Next time I visit them I hope to jog up that trail! carla

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Weight lifting here. More muscle burns more calories. Plus, I want there to be something good under all this fat! Norsk

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::: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit ::: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, ::: hiking. ::: ::: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now ::: that they lost or are losing the weight? ::: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the ::: sheer joy of it? ::: :: As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m into weightlifting right now, so I look :: forward to continued improvements in that area.  I won’t ever look :: like Krista at www.stumtptuous.com/weights.html – but I have a :: mental picture in mind of what I want to look like.  Actually, it’s :: a little embarrassing to admit, but I saw a server at an Outback :: Steakhouse I went to on my business trip last week, and I’ve put her :: in mind for my goal.  She was built a bit more like me than Krista :: is, she was trim but not superlow bodyfat, and man! those muscles. :: She was totally hot.  That’s what I want to look like. :: :: Ahem.  You did ask about *activities*, didn’t you.  Well, last time I :: visited my inlaws I went for a walk with them in a park with a trail :: that leads to the top of a dam.  I had a lot of trouble with it, as :: some of it is rather steep; my legs burned, I ran out of breath and :: had to sit down.  Next time I visit them I hope to jog up that trail! You go, Carla!  Setting very high goals is a very good thing, imo.  Even if you miss, you’ll end up in a very good place!

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:: bicycling… I wanna do a century bike ride this fall, so losing more weight will help me to accomplish that goal.  I’m not sure that activity will be any where on a list of favorites, however. ::

:::: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :::: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :::: hiking. :::: :::: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :::: that they lost or are losing the weight? :::: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the :::: sheer joy of it? :::: :::: -Bear :::: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o) :::: :::: 297/276/210

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The most obvious activity is sex, of course. Personally, the better shape I’m in, the more I enjoy it. What I find is that the less fat I have around my midsection, the more is the effective length of my dick. It is not getting any bigger, of course, despite all exercise, but it can reach farther.

Eat less and exercise more to increase the effective length of your penis!! That should motivate somebody, somewhere.

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:: I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit :: will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, :: hiking. :: :: Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now :: that they lost or are losing the weight? :: We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer :: joy of it? :: :: -Bear :: Grrrrrrrrrrrr  :o)

If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty :: :: 297/276/210

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If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty

That looks like it would be a BLAST!  I love "treasure hunting" at thrift stores, and this would be even better.  I miss hiking SO much…I did a lot of hiking and non-extreme rock climbing in my pre-chair days.  I doubt geocaching would be very accessible for me, but I’m going to check into it further.  I’d never heard of it…thanks for posting the fascinating link, Patty! Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I hear they have hunting expeditions created for the inclusion of mobility hindered people now. — JC Eat less, exercise more. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ ~Patty That looks like it would be a BLAST!  I love "treasure hunting" at thrift stores, and this would be even better.  I miss hiking SO much…I did a lot of hiking and non-extreme rock climbing in my pre-chair days.  I doubt geocaching would be very accessible for me, but I’m going to check into it further.  I’d never heard of it…thanks for posting the fascinating link, Patty! Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I hear they have hunting expeditions created for the inclusion of mobility hindered people now. — JC

Cool…thanks, JC.  I’m definitely checking this out. Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

I find swimming easier.

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I going to lose enough weight to go roller skating I haven’t done that since I was a kid. I hope I remember how and don’t break my neck. I also used to love to ride a bike I would like to do that again.

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Oh I forgot swimming I love the water. I haven’t had a bathing suit in years.

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Oh I forgot swimming I love the water. I haven’t had a bathing suit in years.

I do not have one at all. I cannot find one that fits me properly no matter where I look as I am very heavy in the thighs and the abdomen, hips and butt area.  Most of my weight is carried below my waist. I wear shorts and a dark teeshirt tucked into the shorts in the pool and no one minds at all.

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Patty, I’d love to try the Geocaching. I hiked a bit of the Applal. trail last year and it was fun, but learned real fast to stick to the beginner trails. My treadmill will help me get back into a 1/2 way decent condition- and if I can get way fro mthe slush and mud, start hiking outside. Once upon a time, I belonged to a walking club in San Diego, Ca (Walkabout Int.)and would be able to trek hills, now they kill me. I loved that walking club because we walked together, about 15-40 people!  We finished our 6 miles long before the conversations ended.  I liked the city walks, lots to see and the walk leader never told us what route we would be taking, so don’t fall behind. We had different level groups- long legs, the beginner group actually seemed harder since it was slower. If your in San Diego, I highly recommend it, would be a good 2 hr addition to your visit there. The American Volkssport Association  http://www.ava.org/avaclub/avaclub.htm Is more of a individual goal approach. You meet at a location to sign in, walk the hike, and get your book stamped at the end of the hike. I didn’t have a walking buddy and wasn’t motivated to go it alone. There were scheduled group walks but I only managed to get to one the year I joined. Who knows, maybe one day us New Englander’s can meet for a hiking day! I’d coordinate a Sunday walk in my area if there was interest — Diane Atkins since 12/4/2003 234/212/150   5"8

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Hi Bear, I was thinking about how losing the extra poundage and getting fit will improve my ability to engage in my second favorite activity, hiking. Just wondering what activity others can/will be able to enjoy now that they lost or are losing the weight? We all need to exercise but what about the stuff we do for the sheer joy of it?

After I dropped the extra weight I regained the ability to just traverse my daily routine without every step being painful.  Of all the things I can do now that’s the thing I still treasure the most. The DH and I do a lot of physical things now, things that would have been completely laughable 100 pounds ago.  One of our favorites is called geocaching.  It’s like treasure hunting with a GPSr unit and the "caches" we enjoy the most are the ones that require a great deal of physical effort to get to. More info on the hobby can be found here: http://www.geocaching.com Take care, Carmen

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Hello, If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/

You ‘cache?  So do the DH and I.  (The Thompson Trio)  Gotta love the hobby.  :-) Take care, Carmen

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tripped the light fantastic, then quipped: Hello, If you like to hike, try GeoCaching. like treasure hunting in the woods. http://www.geocaching.com/ You ‘cache?  So do the DH and I.  (The Thompson Trio)  Gotta love the hobby.  :-) Take care, Carmen

After Patty posted about this last night, I’ve been looking into it, and it looks like so much fun!  I’m going to try my hand at the accessible sites; they may only be virtual, but it will still get me out of the house on an adventure.  I’m looking for a GPS unit online…any recommendations from the geocachers? Tee http://www.geocities.com/tee_king Remove -no-spam- to email me.

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I going to lose enough weight to go roller skating I haven’t done that since I was a kid. I hope I remember how and don’t break my neck. I also used to love to ride a bike I would like to do that again.

I just started riding again after over twenty years of not. I am greatly enjoying it. Garth 310/253/186 — Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Euripides Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain – and most fools do. Dale Carnegie Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. Plato

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Several years ago on a trip to England I did a duathlon call Damp Dash somewhere near London. Is this race still put on. Still have my bright Pink long sleeve tee shirt. Graham In Chicago

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Ahh, you mean the Warley Damp Dash, run by Human Race, who organise the excellent Windsor Triathlon. The Damp Dash was run in 2000, but not 2001 http://www.humanrace.co.uk/results00/dash.html It doesn’t appear to be scheduled for this year either, but then Human Race are the organisers for the Commonwealth Games(CG) Triathlon, which will be the second largest ever watched live triathlon. Race day is August 4th and will feature the best of the Canadians, Australians, Brits, South Africans and many others. No Americans I’m afraid, you kicked us out too soon! ++Mark. on the race crew for the CG2002 Triathlon http://www.humanrace.co.uk/salford/index.html

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Don’t worry though, your work mates will be sufficiently impressed that you finished, and got to hang out with all those half naked women that it will more than make up for not boasting about "doing London" when hanging out with real triathletes… The trick is not to miss the end of the downstream swim and Windsor, assuming you managed to surf the weir just past Eton bridge you could end up down in the City about 2-months before London tri. Have you got a club for training ? If you are north of London you’d be more than welcome to come hang out at a few training sessions with Tri-Force (Herts). We have 2x BTA Swim coaches and 6-days a week training sessions…(just don’t mention the London thing…) http://www.tri-force.fsnet.co.uk ++Mark.

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Mmm naked women….. Well, one of my colleagues is currently doing the marathon des sables so I have my work cut out to out do that on the ‘impressing people’ front! Thanks for the offer, but I’m based in Wimbledon. We (my girlfriend and I) are going to go along to Kingfisher (http://www.kingfishertriathletes.co.uk/) next week, they do various training sessions, and are very local. I wont mention the London thing. cheers Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Don’t worry though, your work mates will be sufficiently impressed that you finished, and got to hang out with all those half naked women that it will more than make up for not boasting about "doing London" when hanging out with real triathletes… The trick is not to miss the end of the downstream swim and Windsor, assuming you managed to surf the weir just past Eton bridge you could end up down in the City about 2-months before London tri. Have you got a club for training ? If you are north of London you’d be more than welcome to come hang out at a few training sessions with Tri-Force (Herts). We have 2x BTA Swim coaches and 6-days a week training sessions…(just don’t mention the London thing…) http://www.tri-force.fsnet.co.uk ++Mark.

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Ah, thats fine for you guys who have actually done an ironman! That said, I shamelessly wear a timex ironman watch! Thanks for the input! cheers Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hey Rob, I use the Ironman VO2 Stealth, and its great.  Having said that, you do have to wander around in a wetsuit that has ‘Ironman’ plastered all over it.  Ive heard some of the new 2 piece suits are great – might be worth investigating. Cheers, ‘ triboynz Hi there, Having both been accepted for the Windsor and London tri’s my girlfriend and I have decided its time to get wetsuits! A friend has recommended terrapin (http://www.terrapin-bfa.co.uk). They seem good but was wondering if anyone else had any other recommedations? cheers Rob

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Thanks Mark, Terrapin are looking good so far.  We have looked at rental- the try/buy thing is also an option. Damn, you;ve seen through my thin veneer of real triathlete-ism and exposed the dull city worker that lurks beneath! Hey, it’ll be fun! Mmmmmmm swimming in the thames downstream of london…… cheers Rob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Oh, I should also point out that you can rent wetsuits for either race. Since they are 3-months apart maybe you should try one of the rent-to-buy places. They will rent you the suit and if you like it you can keep it and put the rental towarsd the purchase price. Check the race websites for rental info… ++Mark. p.s. Real thriathletes don’t do London… only Elite paid athletes and City types…

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Hi there, Having both been accepted for the Windsor and London tri’s my girlfriend and I have decided its time to get wetsuits! A friend has recommended terrapin (http://www.terrapin-bfa.co.uk). They seem good but was wondering if anyone else had any other recommedations? cheers Rob

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Hey Rob, I use the Ironman VO2 Stealth, and its great.  Having said that, you do have to wander around in a wetsuit that has ‘Ironman’ plastered all over it.  Ive heard some of the new 2 piece suits are great – might be worth investigating. Cheers, ‘ triboynz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi there, Having both been accepted for the Windsor and London tri’s my girlfriend and I have decided its time to get wetsuits! A friend has recommended terrapin (http://www.terrapin-bfa.co.uk). They seem good but was wondering if anyone else had any other recommedations? cheers Rob

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Hi there, Having both been accepted for the Windsor and London tri’s my girlfriend and I have decided its time to get wetsuits! A friend has recommended terrapin (http://www.terrapin-bfa.co.uk). They seem good but was wondering if anyone else had any other recommedations? cheers Rob

Well, Rob…wish I could help you out in only a few words but, your question is a bit more complex than you might think.  Below is a past post of mine.  It’s broken down into 2 parts. The post is very long, but includes a lot of details and experiences regarding wetsuits.  In brief, it discusses wetsuit various leg lengths…arm vs. armless…and new generation (radical design) wetsuits. (Specal note: Since I wrote the post below, I tried on the T1 – but, no swimming experience.  I can say that the fit is very confortable.) Part I I think wetsuits fall into two general categories: Traditional & New Generation Traditional wetsuits are of two basic styles: Full length-sleeveless and full length-with arms (as for a third style, sleeveless and short-legged, one word – virtually useless except for a super sprint – maybe).  The key advantages for the Sleeveless is that is gives a freedom of arm movement that mimics pool swimming and is faster to remove.  The key advantage of the full-length wetsuit is added bouncy (i.e., added speed with less effort). I have used both styles – full and sleeveless (for over 15yrs.)  I like the swim-feel of the sleeveless wetsuit.  I also like the ease of removal.  Therefore, I like the sleeveless for sprint distances. However, for I.D. distances or longer…I tolerate the Full w/ sleeves.  In comparison, I have decided there is no one wetsuit in the Traditional Category that is "perfect" for all triathlons. New Generation wetsuits are of two radical styles: 1) The super sprint distance (incl. F-1 sprints) to I.D. distance wetsuit of choice is the Piel Wetsuit.  This thing is off before you can exit the water! I have found it takes less than 6 seconds to remove while on the run – Unbelievable. As for its limitations – the zipper design make the legs seem a bit stiff and leaks a bit more than most. And like all wetsuits with arms, it does not have the best swim-feel. It shortens your stroke and adds stress to your shoulders (also, a by-product of the added zipper’s inelasticity). 2) The I.D. distance to I. M. the T1 wetsuit by DeSoto (note: both are acceptable for I.D. distance) is most likely the most comfortable. You might have noticed I said, "most likely" since I haven’t used this wetsuit.  However, It may become my next season’s wetsuit of choice for triathlons where comfort takes priority over T1 transition times – such as, 1/2 I. M. to I.M (I.D.-maybe).  From what I have heard, its key advantages are its confortable swim-feel and buoyancy. Forget speed or ease of removing when comparing it to the Piel (** see below – for removal comments regarding T1).  If the wetsuit had came out earlier in the season, I would have tried it out. Instead, I opted to experience the Piel wetsuit. If you’re looking for a perfect wetsuit for all triathlons…well, that’s a tough one.  I can’t give any one suit in any category an overwhelming multi-use advantage.  However, If you twist my arm – the new generation wetsuit types could best fit the bill for all. However, you would need to learn how to adapt your swimming technique and/or T1 transition methodology when using the Piel or the T1 by DeSoto*. As for wear and quality, I’ve had wetsuits last for 10+yrs. and have had them tear on on the first fit. The ultimate life of wetsuit is determined by how well it’s protected in the transition area. Well, that’s my take on wetsuit choices…FWIW.  Joe "geez, I love to buy these tri-toys" Moya *Disclaimer:  Don’t have any reason to advocate one product over another – Just the facts as I see them. Part II ** – Notes on T1 removal: Let me start out by saying the products I have used by DeSoto are – VERY good! For myself, I have some reservations about the T1 wet suits. The problems seem to fall in two categories – Removal and Vision (I’ll explain the "VISION" problem later in this post). With regard to removal, I have come to the conclusion that Wetsuits are in two distinct categories – Fast/Easy or Slow/Difficult. The fast and easy category seems to have zippers. And, the wetsuit with more, longer or sophisticated zippers are the easiest to remove. Unfortunately, (unless they are sleeveless and/or have calve length legs)they tend to be restrictive (i.e., high necks, ankle length) and pretty much uncomfortable for longer swims. Not to mention, they force you change your stroke length (as has been noted by DeSoto’s). Many of these issues seem to be tackled by the DeSoto T1. Unfortunately, the ease of removal can be considered a relative concept. To borrow a quote from a testimonial,- "Found when I just grabbed the hem of the top crossarmed I bunched the fabric in the back & couldn’t pull past the lump. Worked better when I first folded up 4in or so of the hem, to reduce bunching. Then I found something that worked better for me: pulled some of the L hem over my L elbow & used the strength of my deltoid to get the removal started; came off easier. You might want to have some others experiment with these or alternative ways to get past the strength problem some old athletes (I’m 65) & some women might experience." O.K., I’ve been a triathlete (17+ yr.) and use to many a discomfort, but to use the deltoid muscle to get the top off? The last thing I find easy to do is use your neck muscles, arms and deltoids to remove a top. After a long open water swim, I find the neck and shoulder muscles to be the MOST fatigued. So, from that perspective, a zipper could certainly be handy. In that sense, a zippered, sleeveless and calve length wet suit would make more sense for a sprint. It would have the best of "most" attributes needed for such a SHORT swim- 1) ease of removal (both from the leg and upper body standpoint) & 2) allows you to suffer the least from restrictive (ie.,neck rashes, tight chest/hindered breathing). And, the trade off seems to be loss of some bouyancy. On other hand, A T1 for a half-Ironman (and maybe a really tough I.D.) or longer may pay off from a comfort, stroke efficiency and buoyancy standpoint. In essence, transitions become less relevant. If I follow through on this logic, I need to own 2 wetsuits; one for sprints (maybe I.D. also) & one for half-IM’s or longer (i.e.,"Piel" and/vs. "T1"). Where does the T1 lie? Now comes the biggest downfall (for me) regarding a T1 (and the reason why I have held back buying one), I need corrected vision…I wear glasses. I have been down the "contact" road and it didn’t work. So, Now I have the perfect combo. I wear prescription goggles and sunglasses. Common sense tells me that you need to remove the goggles first. If I do that as I exit the water, HOW CAN I FIND MY BIKE? This is what I called earlier the Vision Problems. Nuf’ said,   FYI – Joe Moya

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You can get any of the commercial grade US wetsuits in the UK. Desoto T1 currently being the exception I think. I’ve got a Terrapin wetsuit, Bidde Forde who founded the company some 20-years ago was a triathlete and professional diver herself at one time. She still makes the wetsuits herself in a workshop at the back of her home although has a bunch of people working for her now. The wetsuits are well made, well priced as she doesn’t go in for all the commercial stuff that drives prices up. For 200 UK Pounds she’ll make a good made to measure suit which can have have 3mm/5mm neoprene fitted to the bottom of the legs depending on your swimming ability. The best thing about using Bidde is she’ll maintain the suit for you. When I bought mine I was 20-pounds heavier, last year it needed taking in and she did it for me for free, I just paid postage. http://www.wetsuits.uk.com/ If you are a bog-standard size person, not overly heavy, unusually tall/short etc. then an off the peg suit would probably do but will likely cost as more than a made to measure one in the UK. It will have all the logos and brand-name association though. Since I plugged the terrapin suits and have no paid association with them, you might also want to look at Snugg suits. They also do off the peg and made to measure in the UK. I have no experience with them. http://www.snuggwetsuits.co.uk Finally, lost of UK related information and links to shops etc. at http://www.triathletes-uk.org/ Including links. Enjoy Windsor, its a great race. I won’t be there this year as I’ll be doing Alcatraz the same day! ++Mark.

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Oh, I should also point out that you can rent wetsuits for either race. Since they are 3-months apart maybe you should try one of the rent-to-buy places. They will rent you the suit and if you like it you can keep it and put the rental towarsd the purchase price. Check the race websites for rental info… ++Mark. p.s. Real thriathletes don’t do London… only Elite paid athletes and City types…

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Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth?  The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch. Before you buy.

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to reiterate – please don’t feed the troll – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth?  The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch. Before you buy.

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The way I see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit about Welch.

I feel Zach could talk crap too.  He is probably the best Ironman to never win Hawaii, his results in Roth speek for themselves! my2c j-

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Have you all forgotten the proper response to a troll? Come on, we all learned it! "Please don’t waste your time with me. I’m just a little Billy Goat. " "My brother will be  along shortly, and he’s MUCH bigger and tastier than I. " Chuck  Hull     "All I ever needed to know I learned in Kindergarden." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – to reiterate – please don’t feed the troll

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But then they wouldn’t, would they! Phil

| Okay, everyone who has gone sub 3:55 in a half IM raise their hand. | | Regarding Welch, how many times have you won IM Mr. Tritruth?  The way I | see it, Van Lierde, Allen, or Scott are the only ones who can talk shit | about Welch. | | | Before you buy.

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Your full of shit!! If you got it, then use it. Besides, he’s married, whats he got to show off. Get a life you idiot!!!

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Hi Richard,  You fell into a trap.  Hey…wouldn’t it be fun if JHansen showed up on race day?? T. Before you buy.

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Hi Richard,  You fell into a trap.  Hey…wouldn’t it be fun if JHansen showed up on race day??

What race, perhaps a challenge is what I need to put down the doughnutz and the supersized meal deals from Mcdonalds But then again if you have been following recent threads, I could be schwing and have already been there on race day.  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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Geez . . . . Halloween was two weeks ago  . . . .howcum all these trolls are just now showing up?

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years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled  "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" John- You can sniff out your style of writing a 1000s of miles away.  Chill out and go dis some of your other newsgroups for a while.  Come back and then play nice.

Mark, what evidence do you have to present the RST court to substantiate your claim? If you’re going to convict someone in public, you should at least be able to back up the claim in public. Either that or take your own advice and chill on the JHansen attack (or take it to email, like others have said). Regardless of if it’s John or not, the best way to handle trolls is just to ingore them. You’ve been around long enough to know that… David / FEY2K – IMCAL (remove spaces) at att dot net

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  Mark,   I got onto you yesterday a bit about how you flamed John Hansen’s question about the Hoyt’s marathon times.  I thought he had a good point, and prestented it appropriately.  After reading further, it became obvious that you and others have had encounters with him before, and immediately felt it was a troll.  I felt like I might have screwed up a little.  Now I know I screwed up, and feel I should appologize for the somewhat sarcastic reply.  I have lurked around here for some time, but rarely post.  I recognize many names of posters, but obviously not all.  Sorry for the sarcasm. Richard "but I still think you could run faster pushing someone with the          right type of equipment" DaVico * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled  "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" well I’d like to say  that this Deblah stuff still holds true… Deboom is a poser…  He’s not third, hes the second loser… He’s to much of a pretty boy……. other posers: welchie….damn drunken aussie… wingnut…only in the excorcist have I seen better puke

John- You can sniff out your style of writing a 1000s of miles away.  Chill out and go dis some of your other newsgroups for a while.  Come back and then play nice. You wrote the same fricken thing, under your normal "JHansen882 people have memories?  Maybe you don’t- so why don’t you click this link to refresh yourself: http://x35.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=459197406&CONTEXT=942888494.21416509… Cheers! Mark Linenberg                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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Mark,  don’t know what your deal is, why your out  to get me, I have only 1 username, thats  jhansen882, happy or sad thats where I  post from, Again you have taken something out of context…In the post you have linked here…i was asking if anyone remembered that thread, If your memory is so good you would recall that the entire newsgroup was playing "remember this thread" and I asked about the Deboom deblah thread. I suppose your going to try and pin that thread of years ago on me also…..Mark, i know the tri season is over you might be a little wound up…go do a cyclocross race,,or snow will be here soon go do some xcskiing… cheers  John Hansen  Sarasota Fl.

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actually your finest post was this one: http://x29.deja.com/[ST_rn=ap]/getdoc.xp?AN=428812972&CONTEXT=942888829.2043346970&hitnum=9 maybe it’s time again for the confessional? cheers! Mark Linenberg                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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years ago in this Newsgroup, there was a thread on "deboom Deblah" it was eventful enough to be in "INSIDE TRIATHLON" in a little box of notes they had titled  "WHATS HOT ON THE NET" well I’d like to say  that this Deblah stuff still holds true… Deboom is a poser…  He’s not third, hes the second loser… He’s to much of a pretty boy……. other posers: welchie….damn drunken aussie… wingnut…only in the excorcist have I seen better puke

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Geez . . . . Halloween was two weeks ago  . . . .howcum all these trolls are just now showing up?

This one is the same troll under a new nick.,….. John "Ad astra per aspera" "A rough road leads to the stars"

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For all you RSTrs in Manhattan, NY, Lance Armstrong will be at Niketown from 11 – 12PM on Thursday.  I don’t know if he will be signing autographs or not. This guy is amazing.  He will be riding Crits in Europe from Mon – Wed. Fly to NY on Thursday to do interviews and appearances (TODAY, Dave Letterman, Larry King).  Then fly back to Europe on Friday for more racing. There’s a great ad at www.nike.com that appeared on TV. Regards, Carlos Torres de Navarra Coral Gables, Fl Kona 98 Floridian 96, 99 Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Rolla – I would eat the same thing that you have been eating during your long training rides.  I did this for my first 1/2 IM and had no problems. Apparently, there is a fair amount of risk switching your race nutrition from your training nutrition.  Safer to stick with what’s been proven in training. gordo — – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Remove SPAM to e-mail me

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Jordanelle Off-Road Triathlon & Duathlon on September 11, 1999 at Jordanelle Reservoir.  Details follow: http://www.mbidist.com/jordanelle Jordanelle Off-Road Triathlon and Duathlon Jordanelle Reservoir, Heber City, Utah Tri: 1K Swim/20K Bike/5K Run Du: 20K Bike/5K Run Saturday, September 11, 1999 8:00 am start MOUNTAIN BIKE events on perimeter trail at Jordanelle Reservoir (15 min from Park City or Heber City). Start/transition at Rock Cliff site. Volunteers  welcome!  Free food at the finish! Beautiful scenery and a challenging course that is rarely 100 yds from the water!  Come join us for Utah’s best off-road multi-sport races! T-shirts for athletes and volunteers!  USA Triathlon Sanctioned event! Digital timing system! Free post-race massage!  Prizes for overall and top age groupers, post-race prize raffle! Age groups: 12-17, 18-24, 25-29, 30-34, 35-39, 40-44, 45-49, 50+, clydesdale/athena, relay (tri only) Register ONLINE at: http://www.activeusa.com or send in a registration questions.  A portion of the proceeds benefit the athletics programs at Wasatch High School in Heber City, Utah. $30 if entry received online or postmarked by 8/22.  $35 after.  Relay teams: $60, $75  after 8/22.  All participants (including each team member) must have a USAT membership. USAT members must show card on race day.  $5 single-event license available. Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I am doing my first long tri ,a 1/2 ironman. What should I eat during thr bike section? Solids , gels, fluids etc. Please give me any advice .

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I am doing my first long tri ,a 1/2 ironman. What should I eat during thr bike section? Solids , gels, fluids etc. Please give me any advice .

It’s going to be different for each person; how much to eat, which foods can they handle, etc. For example, I can eat GU, Powerbars, but cannot handle Exceed. Others can handle Exceed but can’t handle GU. The best thing to do when training for a race this long is to try to eat the various foods/gels/fluids during yout training rides and see if your body can handle it. If you don’t have much time left, then you’re going to have to guess what your body needs during the race. I think a good starting point is to try to eat 65-75g per carbohydrate per hour. Hopefully the choice of foods you take will be the correct one for your race. Others here will probably give some better advice than I can, but the above solutions are given from my perspective of racing 0.5 Fe races. Good luck in your race.                           |26      | IMC’96: 10:36:37          |   Fe   |   IMNZ, IMC ‘99 IMC’97: 10:42:53          |        |                  "THE BEST ELEMENT OF RACING"

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

Well, everyone knows that a kilometer is .62 miles and by definition 1000 meters.  YOu should be able to figure it out from there.  If that’s not enough help, then tear up your high school diploma.  (Hint: use the 1/x key on your calculator in figuring out how many kilometers are in a mile.)

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And to think there are still people who don’t want to use the metric system because it is so difficult….

Calculate it: 1 inch = 2.54 cm 1760 yards = 1 mile 36 in = 1 yard (1760 x 36) 63360 in = 1 mile (63360 x 2.54) 160934.4 cm = 1 mile 100 cm = 1 therefore 1609.344 m = 1 mile

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

1612 meters. That gives you 3.1 miles for a 5k. Vanessa "faster at converting distances than racing them" Smith

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A CALCULATOR?  What a waste of money.  I just use the family abacus. Walter R. Strapps – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck Well, everyone knows that a kilometer is .62 miles and by definition 1000 meters.  YOu should be able to figure it out from there.  If that’s not enough help, then tear up your high school diploma.  (Hint: use the 1/x key on your calculator in figuring out how many kilometers are in a mile.)

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Well most of that calculation is a conversion from Imperial measures to metric.  Let’s see how metric actually works…. –  How many metres in a kilometre? –  Kilo, you mean like 1000? –  Yeah. –  Oh, 1000 metres in a kilometre. –  How many yards in a mile? –  A what in a what? Walter R. Strapps – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And to think there are still people who don’t want to use the metric system because it is so difficult…. Calculate it: 1 inch = 2.54 cm 1760 yards = 1 mile 36 in = 1 yard (1760 x 36) 63360 in = 1 mile (63360 x 2.54) 160934.4 cm = 1 mile 100 cm = 1 therefore 1609.344 m = 1 mile I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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O.K. so 1609 meters make 1 mile. Help a lazy guy out. How many meters in 2 miles?    Scott

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

4 times around the track D.J.  " you argue with the officials"   (IRONKID)

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Ahhh, yes, any high school Track runner has the correct answer <wink Good job DJ !

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1,609.2 meters Timothy Carlson

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

Here’s the tally so far: Tricia: 1609.3 Frank: 1612 "Stallion One": 1609 Mr. Wagner prescribed a method that he was apparently unable to complete himself that yields 1613. Sanjay: 1609.344 (Rick’s Gold Star of Approval) Vanessa: 1612 Scott is still trying to find the "2" button on his calculator. D.J. is trying to remember how to count to four. T.G. Carlson: 1609.2 Okay, only Sanjay hit the nail on the head. The only *exact* equivalent between U.S. customary units and metric units is 2.54 cm = 1 inch. It’s exact ‘cuz it’s defined that way. Or, for the precision impaired: 2.54000000000 cm = 1.000000000 inch Tricia rounded. The anonymouse "Stallion" rounded even more appropriately (he rounded to the nearest stride). Everyone else made the classic mistake of taking a low-precision equivalent (.62 miles/km–2 significant figures) and converting it to a high-precision equavalent (1613 meters/mile–4 significant figures). Shades of "How many pool lengths in a mile." Rick "Yes, it’s Friday night and No, I don’t have a date" Denney

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Now that we have the swim length measurements cleared up (yes the metric system can be fun) let’s get onto the next debate: the track. I am not too far removed from high school running days, and recall the track’s distance of 1/4 mile and 400m being used interchangably. However it can’t be both! Is it actually 402.3335m around the track? Grant

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I don’t know how, but I somehow made it look like Rick typed this message. I want to make it super clear (for fear of a season-long debate errupting) that it was me, Grant, who typed the message (guess it was because I posted a follow-up message to rick’s but deleted his content). Good thing it wasn’t a touchy thread! Grant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now that we have the swim length measurements cleared up (yes the metric system can be fun) let’s get onto the next debate: the track. I am not too far removed from high school running days, and recall the track’s distance of 1/4 mile and 400m being used interchangably. However it can’t be both! Is it actually 402.3335m around the track? Grant

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Now that we have the swim length measurements cleared up (yes the metric system can be fun) let’s get onto the next debate: the track. I am not too far removed from high school running days, and recall the track’s distance of 1/4 mile and 400m being used interchangably. However it can’t be both! Is it actually 402.3335m around the track? Grant

It depends on the age of the track mostly.  If the track is one of those ol’ cinder beauties, then you’re probably looking at 440y.  If it is a synthetic rubberized surface, then it’s probably 400m.  There’s no harm in asking the track team/coach at your local high school or college, is there? good running, Andrew

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WHY IS EVERYONE COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS???? o.k., I’ll tell you why. they are using a 5k= 3.1 miles or a 10k= 6.2 miles to do the math. Most of these people come out with: 1 mile = 1612 meters. The Problem???? a 5k = 3.107 miles (approx) a 10k=6.214 miles (approx) I’m not going to do the math, but if YOU do I’ll bet you come out right around:  1 mile= 1,609 meters Steve "H.S. track should run 1 mile, or 1,500 meters, (who’s the IDIOT who thought up the 1,600?)" Adams

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I don’t know how, but I somehow made it look like Rick typed this message. I want to make it super clear (for fear of a season-long debate errupting) that it was me, Grant, who typed the message (guess it was because I posted a follow-up message to rick’s but deleted his content). Good thing it wasn’t a touchy thread! Grant

[superlative post deleted] Now that we have the swim length measurements cleared up (yes the metric system can be fun) let’s get onto the next debate: the track. I am not too far removed from high school running days, and recall the track’s distance of 1/4 mile and 400m being used interchangably. However it can’t be both! Is it actually 402.3335m around the track? Grant

No, it’s 402.336 meters, but only if it’s a true quarter mile, which it isn’t. Rick "Grant" Denney

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test Tri-man

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If you look closely at a track you’ll notice they have curved starting lines all over the place (like on the finishing straight for steeples) I have a suspicion that there is a special line for that archaic outmoded distance the mile a little (9.3m perhaps) in front of the finish.   – David "apologies to those people stuck with the imperial system" Bowden

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The curved lines are for different starting points for races shorter than 1500m, so that the outside runners’ starting points compensate for the circumpherence of the larger circles for each lane. some of the other marks are for exchange zones for relays. The track looks very complicated with all of its lines running perpendicular to the lane lines. I remember for the longer races, like 1500m and up (I blew @ the shorter stuff, don’t ask me about an 800m race) we started along a line that swung out from the inside of the track (and a battle ensued to get the inside lane near the front) As far as putting this mute debate to bed, I have since learned that a new track will be 400m, though the shap of the tracks are slightly different (longer curves, shorter straights) and that the "old school" tracks were 1/4 mile. I guess the confusion came about from the loose application of 1/4 mile and 400m oval to describe the same thing. That’s like dropping yards/meters from a "25" pool (leaves room for individual interpretation and confusion) There, now we all know. Grant – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – If you look closely at a track you’ll notice they have curved starting lines all over the place (like on the finishing straight for steeples) I have a suspicion that there is a special line for that archaic outmoded distance the mile a little (9.3m perhaps) in front of the finish.  - David "apologies to those people stuck with the imperial system" Bowden

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My calculations make a mile equal to 1612 meters but lets all use Tricia’s number as it will make our splits much more impressive. Ken 1609.3 meters in a mile — Tri-Baby

Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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As far as putting this mute debate to bed..

This debate has been anything but mute. Rick "Although I realize bringing it up is a moot point" Denney

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1 km=1.6 miles 1km =1000 metres you can do the rest – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up. I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

Chuck, 1 kilometer=0.62 mile 1 mile=1.61 kilometers=1612 meters Best wishes, Frank Wallace Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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Calculate it: 1 inch = 2.54 cm 1760 yards = 1 mile 36 in = 1 yard (1760 x 36) 63360 in = 1 mile (63360 x 2.54) 160934.4 cm = 1 mile 100 cm = 1 therefore 1609.344 m = 1 mile – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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I was wondering if someone could help a guy to lazy to look this up.  I am looking for the distance that 1 mile is equal to in meters.  Thanks in advance. Chuck

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I have a complaint about NBC’s coverage. Yes, its great that they put together a 2 hour presentation, however, they neglect to present Ironman as more of a race. It seems to me, NBC paints it to be some personal challenge, or spiritual journey (which it is to many).  So what’s wrong with that? Well, viewers who know little about triathlon  get the idea that Ironman  is just some novelty rather than a legitimate, professional sport, not to mention World Championship. NBC dismisses the fact just about every RACER out there worked long and hard to qualify. Simply put, these athletes don’t get  the credit they deserve for being the best in the world. Chris Rushing  _O_                 I       I     I_I/I_I          

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a complaint about NBC’s coverage. Yes, its great that they put together a 2 hour presentation, however, they neglect to present Ironman as more of a race. It seems to me, NBC paints it to be some personal challenge, or spiritual journey (which it is to many).  So what’s wrong with that? Well, viewers who know little about triathlon  get the idea that Ironman  is just some novelty rather than a legitimate, professional sport, not to mention World Championship. NBC dismisses the fact just about every RACER out there worked long and hard to qualify. Simply put, these athletes don’t get  the credit they deserve for being the best in the world. Chris Rushing  _O_ I       I I_I/I_I

I agree.  Neither NBC (or ABC before them) present the event as the World Championship that it is.  The viewing public gets the idea that 1500 athletes somple decide to ‘do it’ and show up.  A 90 second spot explaining how one gets to the start line would go a long way. The run of the mill viewer has no idea that these are the best of the world best. Augie Calabrese

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I have in the past posted specific complaints about IMH coverage. But overall I have to state that it is excellent in most respects. Don’t look for them to cover IMH like the do the World Track and Field Championships. Hell, be thankful that they don’t! When I first watched IMH on NBC, I didn’t think of it as pro football or baseball or world class track that I could never do anything more than watch. Their broadcast shouted out to me — you can do this is you’re committed enough (or if you should be committed, I can’t remember which feeling I had first). We don’t want triathlon portrayed as an elite event. We want to portray it as something worth doing, something that many more people should try. How many of us got into the sport through that broadcast? Most will never get to Kona, but we’re hooked. Brian Sullivan

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: I have a complaint about NBC’s coverage. – I think I’ve watched every edition of the IMH TV coverage and

     have most on tape.  Though I never have taken the time to compare      and contrast each broadcast,  I can speak in general terms.      Generally, I would have to say last years edition was the best      in that it was presented much more like a race then it ever has        been in the years past.  Historically your right, it dwelled way      too much on the "human interest" elements.      The thing that I found more distracting this year was the MTVish      look they gave to the broadcast.  Lots of jerky shots at different      angles and jumping all over the place.  But, I know they edit these      to appeal to a certain market and there is a very strong possibility      I’m not in NBC’s target market.      So rather than bitch about the presentation, I bask in the glow of      knowing I’m not the sterotypical weekend couch potato NBC targets      when they put their shows together. -richd      

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NBC has a formidable challenge when it comes to the IMH coverage.  I think they do a fantastic job.  For all of us triathletes, whether we have been to Hawaii (participant or spectator), or have just dreamt of going, have are own versions of Ironman. I think that NBC is sucessful because they are not necessarily trying to connect to the triathlete, but to the Sunday afternoon TV viewer.  NBC presents IMH in a way that the average person is captivated by the sport. Everyone I know that is a non-triathlete and has seen their broadcast is awed by it.  They may be less impressed if it was portrayed as just a race in a sport they are not connected to, but NBC captivates non- triathletes with a race that is more of a personal/spiritual journey. To we triathletes, IMH needs no explaning. We understand.  TV coverage has done a lot to get people interested in the sport, and I find at work, once someone has watched the coverage, all of a sudden they are asking detailed questions when I come in Monday morning after a race, instead of the usual "How was your race?", and that’s it.   That to me is the value of the coverage – get people informed and interested.  I’m sure many people have tried a local race after their introduction to the sport from NBC. Alison

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Well put Alison.  Most of my friends don’t understand triathlon until they watch IMH on tv.  That’s ok with me.  They understand the persistence and dedication part (the human interest side).  Most still think we’re nuts for putting in the time.  Oh well,some of us (me included) keep training with the hope of getting to IMH some day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I think that NBC is sucessful because they are not necessarily trying to connect to the triathlete, but to the Sunday afternoon TV viewer.   Everyone I know that is a non-triathlete and has seen their broadcast is awed by it.

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 Most of my friends watch it on the tube and then go over and see it in person and they say tv does not capture the race. I agree. Lesley

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How about rollers?  Here you are using some upper body muscles. Assuming you reach the same heart rate as on a "wind" trainer, which gives you a better work out?  The weather finally improved enough to get out on the road in the DC area this week end, and I noticed a destinct imporvement in my peddling after spending some time on rollers exclusively.  Any comment? Neal Elliott Silver Spring, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Ryun G. Pavlicek) writes: I am pretty sure it depends on the style riding you do. Some people are inconsistent on the road and spend a lot of time coasting. However on a trainer where you can peg your heartrate at a certain number and hold it for two hours is very different than a two hour ride where you accelerate, stop, coast, and recover.  Also another contributing factor is that on a trainer you arent using as many muscles as on the road esp upper body and so it is almost exclusively up to your legs to get the heart going. —    Ryun Pavlicek                                Dept of Sociology    University of Virginia                  

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As a graduate student over the last couple yrs i have consistently done no less than 80% of my cycling on an indoor-trainer!! I find that i get an incredible workout, and it sure saves a hell of a lot of time. No preparation, just pop  a tape in the VCR, crank up the tension, and hammer for an hour. I would agree w/ the 1:2 ratio, sounds about right. Just try to get a long ride a week(when training for something particular) and you should be fine. This is all i ever did and i can’t remember the last time a went over 1 hr for a 40k in a race. I start med school in the fall, and the trainer will most likely be *it* as far as cycling goes!! -Bryan

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I missed the original post: is the implication that indoor miles are worth more than outdoor miles ? (I hope so) tim

In my humble opinion, it seems that indoor "mileage" might be worth a little more than outdoor miles, but not too much.   Indoors, the effort is sustained with no coasting, hills, or wind to push.  Conversely, outdoors, the effort includes uphills, headwinds and cornering.  Really cannot say for sure.  I am sure the cycling experts can provide more insight.   -Rolf —    Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. (Chemical Engineering)   Dept. of Chem. and Biochem. Eng’g, Rutgers University  –These are my highly opinionated views, not Rutgers’–

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marin rodriguez hayward, CA I am a teacher and a coach that insists on getting in my tri workouts too. Talk about time consuming!If it weren’t for my windtrainer i would have no time at all to get in a quality cycling workout except on weekends. With the trainer though, I can go home form school , strap on the bike and get a high quality workout in 45-60 minutes. Tracking HR is a must, but it beats the dwindling light and the rain in the winter. Has anyone tried the Cyclerobix (sp?) video? I was able to rent and preview it and it seems good! Also what’s your favorite show to watch while riding (hard effort during the show and rest during commercials)? Star Trek the Next Generation is great for an hour wkout!

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I missed the original post: is the implication that indoor miles are worth more than outdoor miles ? (I hope so) tim

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Riding indors is more intense for you legs no lights or stopsigns or traffic. But you still need the bike handeling skills to be able to maintain that smooth cadence while moving from side to side. I have witnessed many accedents in triathlons and all but one of them were from a lack of basic skills. Louis Pelissier

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"Worth" is a relative term. It may be more of a work out to do one hour on the trainer than on the road at least for your legs and heart since it is constant. However, trainers do have negatives. it is easy to develop problems with your pedal stroke since you dont have to worry about going in a straight line (obviously not a concern for rollers). Also other adaptations to cycling on the road may get a bit rusty. For example, your back may not be accustomed to dealing with road shock or compensating during certain parts of the ride such as climbing. A number of people dont remain in the exact position they would use on the rod which can also be corrected but is something to be aware of.    Ryun Pavlicek                            

Agreed!  Excellent points.  Having logged about a zillion (maybe two zillion) miles indoors this year, being on the road and managing the bike is almost a new experience!   -Rolf —    Rolf "Ironman" Arands, Ph.D. (Chemical Engineering)   Dept. of Chem. and Biochem. Eng’g, Rutgers University  –These are my highly opinionated views, not Rutgers’–

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I’d say it totally depends on the type of trainer. In the "olden days" when rollers were the only thing available that might have been true. Now with multi-fan, fluid, and bake based mechanics I think you can get 1:1. I know I have a 4-fan vetta, and it gives slightly MORE resistance than a flat road because I’m 1 or 2 gears lower than I am outside. The only bad thing about it is that it is very loud. Has anyone else found trainers that give MORE resistance than flat road? I haven’t tried any of the new fluid or brake jobs…

I think the conversion now is just the opposite than what John Howard was referring to (i.e., 45 minutes on the trainer is comparable to an hour on the road).  When you’re on the road you rarely ride for 45 minutes without letting up.  As for more resistance on the trainer, if I crank the CompuTrainer up to the steepest grade, I have to stand to move the pedals! — Marty Miller (aka The Noodle) Proprietor of "The Triathlete’s Web" http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html

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Humor – someone (I will keep identity confidential) actually sent me this: I own a fluid trainer.  Recently, I put a stack of books under my front wheel to raise it above the rear to simulate a hill, but curiously, found that the resistance was the same, while the ride wasn’t very comfortable. Har har Rob

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John Howard, noted Olympic cyclist and one time Ironman, winneronce stated that there is a 3 to 1 ratio (outdoors to indoors) fortrainer riding.

— I’d say it totally depends on the type of trainer. In the "olden days" when rollers were the only thing available that might have been true. Now with multi-fan, fluid, and bake based mechanics I think you can get 1:1. I know I have a 4-fan vetta, and it gives slightly MORE resistance than a flat road because I’m 1 or 2 gears lower than I am outside. The only bad thing about it is that it is very loud. Has anyone else found trainers that give MORE resistance than flat road? I haven’t tried any of the new fluid or brake jobs… D

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Let me try to get it right this time.  If you ride 1 mile indoors on a wind trainer, it is equivalent to 3 outdoors.  My first reply had it backwards.

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Let me try to get it right this time.  If you ride 1 mile indoors on a wind trainer, it is equivalent to 3 outdoors.  My first reply had it backwards.

That seems a bit much to me.  I’ve always heard that you should double the distance.  Personally, I think that’s even a bit too much.  Maybe multiply by 1.5. — Marty Miller (aka The Noodle) Proprietor of "The Triathlete’s Web" http://w3.one.net/~triweb/triweb.html

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I am pretty sure it depends on the style riding you do. Some people are inconsistent on the road and spend a lot of time coasting. However on a trainer where you can peg your heartrate at a certain number and hold it for two hours is very different than a two hour ride where you accelerate, stop, coast, and recover.  Also another contributing factor is that on a trainer you arent using as many muscles as on the road esp upper body and so it is almost exclusively up to your legs to get the heart going. —     Ryun Pavlicek                                 Dept of Sociology     University of Virginia                      

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Does anyone have any good rule-of-thumbs for time on an indoor trainer as it compares to road mileage? I live in a very hilly area so my road training is inconsistent even though I use a HR monitor. Indoors I feel much more fatigued than on the road, even though the time and the heartrate was the same. Any thoughts? Bill Newman

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John Howard, noted Olympic cyclist and one time Ironman, winner once stated that there is a 3 to 1 ratio (outdoors to indoors) for trainer riding.

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The Triathlete’s Web (with new graphics and all) HAS MOVED!!! I just wanted to mention that I find the new look very attractive and the whole site seems even better organized than it was previously. This site continues to be a top source for all triathletes (and tri-wannabes) on the web.  Thanks.

Thanks for the kind words.  I’m still behind on additions, however I’m getting there.  I also installed a counter, and I’m amazed at the number of hits (yes I know i’s not accurate, but it’s still a good guage.  Thanks again. Marty

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The Triathlete’s Web (with new graphics and all) HAS MOVED!!!

I just wanted to mention that I find the new look very attractive and the whole site seems even better organized than it was previously. This site continues to be a top source for all triathletes (and tri-wannabes) on the web.  Thanks. Regards, Jeffrey D Purtee

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 Talked to Dave Scott at the expo yesterday(Saturday) in Chicago.  Said  he’ll be in Hawaii,  but apparently has decided not to race.  Thats right. No one could make it worth his while. That is because  ,ironically, Dave is too old to be an interesting sponsor object.: he  has no future inthe sport. But I’m glad he’s not whining about it  anymore. cut…

Dave and all the others who age up into masters may still have a future.  I am working on developing guidelines for a Pro-Masters division.  This would attract Dave, Mark in a few years,   various Scotts etc, who might not be able to compete at the top after they’re 40 but would be a great attraction for a bigger, older audience.  Sponsors could include Nuprin, Hair Club For Men etc.  This could be as big as the Masters in golf..   It would also protect regular, human age-groupers from these guys in case they want to race age-group.  (if Hair Club For Men gets involved, we might as well include Pigg. Any thoughts? |       Ray Plotecia            | |       Image Control           |

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Dave and all the others who age up into masters may still have a future. I am working on developing guidelines for a Pro-Masters division.  This

would attract Dave, Mark in a few years,  various Scotts etc, who might not be able to compete at the top after they’re 40 but would be a great attraction for a bigger, older audience.  Sponsors could include Nuprin, Hair Club For Men etc.  This could be as big as the Masters in golf..   It would also protect regular, human age-groupers from these guys in case they want to race age-group.  (if Hair Club For Men gets involved, we might as well include Pigg. Any thoughts?

| I think it is a great idea to have a pro masters tour. At this point the sport is just old enough to have the early pros age up, an if pro masters golf can work, why not tris? The younger pros might balk because it will probably siphon some prize money away before expanding the pie, but it is worth a try. The "Rusty Ironman" division could also spend more time holding clinics, etc., at races. Oh yeah, and it would be nice to keep these guys out of age group races. They had their glory. Let the rest of us have some fun! (Personally, I don’t have to worry because I’m never going to come in second to Dave Scott unless its a two-man race.) Brian Sullivan

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Talked to Dave Scott at the expo yesterday(Saturday) in Chicago.  Said he’ll be in Hawaii,  but apparently has decided not to race. Thats right. No one could make it worth his while. That is because ,ironically, Dave is too old to be an interesting sponsor object.: he has no future inthe sport. But I’m glad he’s not whining about it anymore.

First of all, Dave never whined about not hvaig sponsers, that was a Triathlete Magizine mess-up which was corrected the following issue with a letter from Dave. THe reason he is not racing is because of two accidents that happened to him earlier this year. First he broke his toe in December after he droped a weight on it while lifting, second he was hit by a car in Florida while he was down there watching his wife swim (I think in April) both of these accidents keeped him off his bike, and off running for too long for him to be in shape for IM, that is why we haven’t seen him race at all this year. —arr—

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Talked to Dave Scott at the expo yesterday(Saturday) in Chicago.  Said he’ll be in Hawaii,  but apparently has decided not to race.

Thats right. No one could make it worth his while. That is because ,ironically, Dave is too old to be an interesting sponsor object.: he has no future inthe sport. But I’m glad he’s not whining about it anymore. It’s gonna be a hell of a race though. Is it a good idea to make a top five for the book makers?Perhaps there already exists one . I.M.H.O it will be as follows 1. Allen – because of the run 2. Zaeck – because of Roth, jul 95 3. Welch -because of  the run   4. Heldoorn -because of Almere, aug.95 5. Kiuru -because of the run Ivar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Disappointing, but he, as always, was gracious with his time and a true class act.  Mark Allen looks very lean and fit, as did Newby-Fraser.  A great, VERY well-attended expo.

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Talked to Dave Scott at the expo yesterday(Saturday) in Chicago.  Said he’ll be in Hawaii,  but apparently has decided not to race. Disappointing, but he, as always, was gracious with his time and a true class act.  Mark Allen looks very lean and fit, as did Newby-Fraser.  A great, VERY well-attended expo.

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Needless to say, I use Reload (not GU) during races; it goes down much easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. – Tim Iverson —

If you what an emergency bonk buster try using an instant-gluclose packet. I use insta-gluclose, which I get at a medical supply store. They work much better than GU, and much faster.

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easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. If you what an emergency bonk buster try using an instant-gluclose packet. I use insta-gluclose, which I get at a medical supply store. They work much better than GU, and much faster.

Well, I’ve only bonked once in my life … so it’s not a big concern. However, sometimes I do get sleepy during a long workout.  It goes away after a while if I ignore it, but if it happens in a race – especially near the end – I’ll gobble some GU purely for the caffeine.  It helps to be alert at the finish, where all manner of confusions seem to conglomerate. IMHO, GU has far too much caffeine to use safely as food during a race. – Tim Iverson

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For what it’s worth, yesterday I tried GU for the second time. First time I went slow in the bike on an easy day. Yesterday was time to put the hammer down, and I tried the nasty little packet on an empty stomach, and then went out for my short course time trial. It’s a hilly course, and I have never been able to crack 18mph for 14.5 miles. Yesterday, in hot midday sun, I rode 19mph with strength to spare. Drank one bottle of water as I normally do. Of course, it can’t just be the GU, but I have been training lightly on the bike, and am very surprised at my time. Brian Sullivan

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Brian, I used GU twice myself and have had a similar experience.  It real seems to give that extra shot of energy and endurance.  I plan to try it in a sprint distance triathlon first and then an Olympic distance race later this year.  I am still concerned about stomach problems but so far that has not been the case with GU.

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Not to beat this subject to death (I promise this the last training update on this point!) but yesterday, one day after setting my training PR on the bike, I set my training PR on a 5K run. The only difference between these workouts and the same ones I always do was changing from Powerbars before workouts to GU. Can’t say for sure it’s the GU, but two PRs in two days is hard to ignore. I’m going to keep experimenting with this stuff. BTW, I know in my head that I should rest between hard workouts, but my legs were begging to sprint yesterday, and since that happens so rarely I thought I would let them have their way! Brian Sullivan

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: I just did the same thing a few days ago.  Ten minutes after chowing down on : just one GU I was crawling the ceiling from caffeine overdose.  There’s more : caffeine in those little packets than a 6-pack of JOLT Cola. Anyone have any idea just how much caffeine is in this stuff?   Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

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What is GU?  Unfortunately, where I work, GU is a gastric ulcer.  From what I’ve read so far it seems appropriately named.  Don’t think I’m keen to try this particular tri-food. TriGit.

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Don’t knock it till you’ve tried it! jo Redondo Beach, CA

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Anyone have any idea just how much caffeine is in this stuff?   Dave LaPorte U. of Minn.

According to the Gu folks, one packet contains the equivalent amount of caffeine found in 1/5 of a cup of coffee.  I called because a local news station reported caffeine levels equal to 6 cups of coffee.  I don’t know where they got their info. Larry

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According to the Gu folks, one packet contains the equivalent amount of caffeine found in 1/5 of a cup of coffee.  I called because a local news station reported caffeine levels equal to 6 cups of coffee.  I don’t know where they got their info.

From my own experience, I can attest to the veracity of the news report.  I can drink a cup of coffee and feel rather alert.  Just one GU packet sent me climbing the walls.  I am more sensitive to caffeine than most, but this doesn’t account for such a radical disparity of reactions. I suppose this could be due to GU-caffeine being more concentrated and/or bio-available than coffee-caffeine, but that stretches my credultiy. – Tim Iverson

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I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop

I just did the same thing a few days ago.  Ten minutes after chowing down on just one GU I was crawling the ceiling from caffeine overdose.  There’s more caffeine in those little packets than a 6-pack of JOLT Cola. Needless to say, I use Reload (not GU) during races; it goes down much easier than a Power Bar.  I usually carry a packet of GU, too – though as an emergency stimulant, not as food. – Tim Iverson —

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I’ve used the Gatorade "RELOAD" carbohydrate gel — all flavors — goes down real easy and the taste is very mild. I’ve found that about 10 – 15 minutes after consuming a packet I get a significant boost in energy. Discovered this by accident at the Magic Mountain Stage Race in olean, NY. About 15 minutes before one of the climbs, I "ate" the contents of one of these packets and the climb went amazingly easy — compared to the previous two. Since then I’ve repeated the experiment on several occasions with the results. Placebo effect or not, it seems to work.

| I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, | and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop | had only GU Chocolate Outrage, that’s what I used. Had breakfast at 7 am, | then ate the GU at noon since the pack says to eat it on an empty stomach. | |        Well, the taste was perfectly fine, though the consistency was | pretty thick since it was sitting in a cool drawer and not in the back | pouch of a sweaty singlet. Tasted exactly like chocolate pudding. |        There is no way I could choke this down without water – drinking is |  recommended on the packet. One sip at the end doesn’t do it, you need to | drink while you eat. Consequently, I think this will be harder than | expected to consume on the bike, what with trying to tear off the top, | take a bite (?), hold the pack while grabbing the water bottle (Jetstream | looks better all the time), then eating some more. |        The stuff hit my stomach and caused some interesting flips down | there, but no significant distress. 20 minutes later I hit the road for a | 6 mile run in 90 degree midday heat (dumb, but the only time I could get | out). I had water at mile 4 (water fountain) and maintained a comfortable | pace so I wouldn’t blow up in the heat. Ran fine, felt strong, and never | felt the least bit uncomfortable. Can’t say for sure that the GU helped | much, but it certainly didn’t hurt. Next step is to try it in the middle | of a longer run, and make an attempt while riding the bike. | | Brian Sullivan

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I finally broke down and sprung for a few packets of the new gel foods, and thought you might be interested in a first experience. The bike shop had only GU Chocolate Outrage, that’s what I used. Had breakfast at 7 am, then ate the GU at noon since the pack says to eat it on an empty stomach.        Well, the taste was perfectly fine, though the consistency was pretty thick since it was sitting in a cool drawer and not in the back pouch of a sweaty singlet. Tasted exactly like chocolate pudding.        There is no way I could choke this down without water – drinking is  recommended on the packet. One sip at the end doesn’t do it, you need to drink while you eat. Consequently, I think this will be harder than expected to consume on the bike, what with trying to tear off the top, take a bite (?), hold the pack while grabbing the water bottle (Jetstream looks better all the time), then eating some more.        The stuff hit my stomach and caused some interesting flips down there, but no significant distress. 20 minutes later I hit the road for a 6 mile run in 90 degree midday heat (dumb, but the only time I could get out). I had water at mile 4 (water fountain) and maintained a comfortable pace so I wouldn’t blow up in the heat. Ran fine, felt strong, and never felt the least bit uncomfortable. Can’t say for sure that the GU helped much, but it certainly didn’t hurt. Next step is to try it in the middle of a longer run, and make an attempt while riding the bike. Brian Sullivan

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