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Should not be a problem.  It should be an enhancement.    I recently did an Olympic distance on a Sat, then did a 20 mile Bike TT Sunday morn followed by a 30 Mile road race an hour later.   Got gold in all three but I’m only 65.

Whereas I did a sprint tri and the next day a 10k in cold Golden Gate Park and was hurting for a while, esp one hip. A week is probably fine.  A day is asking for injury, esp if the temp isn’t 75.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Last month, while training for longer sprint triathlons, I decided to do a 10K run, which turned out to be a fairly hilly course.  It took me about 3 or 4 days to recover to the point of being able to run normally again.  In training, I had regularly been doing swims up to 4000 M, bike rides up to 36 miles, and runs up to 4 miles, although on flatter terrain.  I had also done some brick training with 20 mile rides followed by a 2 or 3 mile run.  That said, I wouldn’t attempt something like that again unless I’d been training regularly at something close to race distance, maybe 5 miles for a 10K and also on similar terrain.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Should not be a problem.  It should be an enhancement.    I recently did an Olympic distance on a Sat, then did a 20 mile Bike TT Sunday morn followed by a 30 Mile road race an hour later.   Got gold in all three but I’m only 65. I got a question. I did my first ever sprint triathlon last weekend and I’m planning on doing another next weekend. The question is, I’ve also signed up to do a 10k run on the weekend in between. Since I’ve only trained to for the 5k, the running distance of a sprint tri, am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take it real slow?

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I got a question. I did my first ever sprint triathlon last weekend and I’m planning on doing another next weekend. The question is, I’ve also signed up to do a 10k run on the weekend in between. Since I’ve only trained to for the 5k, the running distance of a sprint tri, am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take it real slow?

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How much running or training for that matter the body can tollerate depends on the individual.   Factor in age, nutrition, stress, and sleep habits when deciding an exercise regiment.   In my 20’s I slept well, had little stress, and could workout hard virtually every day without any thought of getting worn out.  Now in my 40’s I have moderate stress, sleep poorly, and find rest days a necessary part of my routine.  IMHO stress and sleep deprivation are the biggest performance killers as we age. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a question. I did my first ever sprint triathlon last weekend and I’m planning on doing another next weekend. The question is, I’ve also signed up to do a 10k run on the weekend in between. Since I’ve only trained to for the 5k, the running distance of a sprint tri, am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take it real slow?

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am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take i

No. You have a whole week to recover.

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Should not be a problem.  It should be an enhancement.    I recently did an Olympic distance on a Sat, then did a 20 mile Bike TT Sunday morn followed by a 30 Mile road race an hour later.   Got gold in all three but I’m only 65.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I got a question. I did my first ever sprint triathlon last weekend and I’m planning on doing another next weekend. The question is, I’ve also signed up to do a 10k run on the weekend in between. Since I’ve only trained to for the 5k, the running distance of a sprint tri, am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take it real slow?

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Ken, You are an insperation for us younger guys.  With that said let me point out that at 65 there are far fewer people competing and hence placing first in three closely spaced events is easier than at a younger age.  The typical 30-35 age group around here attracts more than 50 entrants compared to no more than 3 max for the 65+ age group.   It would be folly for most 30-40 age groupers to attempt same day races if they planned to place in both as there is just too much competition.  It’s great you’re able to succeed with such short intervals between races. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Should not be a problem.  It should be an enhancement.    I recently did an Olympic distance on a Sat, then did a 20 mile Bike TT Sunday morn followed by a 30 Mile road race an hour later.   Got gold in all three but I’m only 65. I got a question. I did my first ever sprint triathlon last weekend and I’m planning on doing another next weekend. The question is, I’ve also signed up to do a 10k run on the weekend in between. Since I’ve only trained to for the 5k, the running distance of a sprint tri, am I jeopardizing my second tri by doing the 10k, even if I take it real slow?

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. Might still be able to, haven’t tried it lately…

one would’t stretch up there..  must be losing some flexibility in my old age…  darn!

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oh yeah.. and it was about toes, don’t forget.

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. Might still be able to, haven’t tried it lately… right one would’t stretch up there..  must be losing some flexibility in my old age…  darn!

I guess this means that you are no longer appealing to those who like young contortionists.  <veg How can you stand the pain and rejection? sam Don’t push the red button, Never push the red button!       Daffy Duck

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Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! I had planned to quit on Oct 1 (seemed convenient time, what with being unemployed and kids away for two weeks), but the WTC tragedy got in the way, and the darn date came and went……. but now I think I’m ready. Okay, I KNOW I’m ready. Today I’m preparing my strategy, debating my new quit date, exhausting my last lame excuses….. actually, I think the quit date just may be tomorrow, or maybe when this pack runs out this afternoon. Or maybe I will symbolically flush the darn pack down the toilet, and get this over with right now…..! My plan is to try cold turkey first, three days of misery & then it’s over, it worked last time.  But if that doesn’t work, I’ve got a box of patches to try next, and as a very last resort, an Rx for Zyban which I can fill if I need to. I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….. I already failed my first attempt yesterday. But from previous experience (when I quit cold turkey and it lasted 7 glorious smoke-free years), the more I fail, the closer I’ll eventually get to succeeding. So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… ! Also, if any of you have yahoo instant messenger, and would offer your online services to support and distract me through the worst of my battle with the ugly nicotine monster, please email me with your jen

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Good luck!!  :-)

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I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….

Isn’t preparing to fail the same as failing?  You’ve already convinced yourself that it might happen so there’s no real "penalty" for failing.  Make some horrible outcome if you fail, like, "if I fail I must acknowledge BET as my leader" or something. Good luck.  I’ve never smoked cigarettes, there’s something in the smoke that I can’t stand.  However, in my younger days, I’d occasionally smoke a pipe or a cigar but haven’t in years. Joe

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go on wellbutrin a drug doc cam prescribe it may help.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! I had planned to quit on Oct 1 (seemed convenient time, what with being unemployed and kids away for two weeks), but the WTC tragedy got in the way, and the darn date came and went……. but now I think I’m ready. Okay, I KNOW I’m ready. Today I’m preparing my strategy, debating my new quit date, exhausting my last lame excuses….. actually, I think the quit date just may be tomorrow, or maybe when this pack runs out this afternoon. Or maybe I will symbolically flush the darn pack down the toilet, and get this over with right now…..! My plan is to try cold turkey first, three days of misery & then it’s over, it worked last time.  But if that doesn’t work, I’ve got a box of patches to try next, and as a very last resort, an Rx for Zyban which I can fill if I need to. I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….. I already failed my first attempt yesterday. But from previous experience (when I quit cold turkey and it lasted 7 glorious smoke-free years), the more I fail, the closer I’ll eventually get to succeeding. So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… ! Also, if any of you have yahoo instant messenger, and would offer your online services to support and distract me through the worst of my battle with the ugly nicotine monster, please email me with your jen

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You CAN do it.  I did, it’s now been two years for me and I’m still amazed I’m not smoking.  It really takes a combination of willpower, being sick of smoking and a "tool" to quit.  I used that Zyban stuff.  Took me two trys with Zyban but I did it.   Don’t feel bad if you don’t make it the first time or even the next time.  Use each time as a learning opportunity.  Took me at least 20 tries over the years and I finally found whatever that was inside me to do it. One thing I did notice that was different – in the past I was always afraid I’d miss smoking.  Now I’m afraid that if I take even one puff, I’ll never be able to quit again.  Perhaps just a change in perspecitve will help. Good Luck Zimm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! I had planned to quit on Oct 1 (seemed convenient time, what with being unemployed and kids away for two weeks), but the WTC tragedy got in the way, and the darn date came and went……. but now I think I’m ready. Okay, I KNOW I’m ready. Today I’m preparing my strategy, debating my new quit date, exhausting my last lame excuses….. actually, I think the quit date just may be tomorrow, or maybe when this pack runs out this afternoon. Or maybe I will symbolically flush the darn pack down the toilet, and get this over with right now…..! My plan is to try cold turkey first, three days of misery & then it’s over, it worked last time.  But if that doesn’t work, I’ve got a box of patches to try next, and as a very last resort, an Rx for Zyban which I can fill if I need to. I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….. I already failed my first attempt yesterday. But from previous experience (when I quit cold turkey and it lasted 7 glorious smoke-free years), the more I fail, the closer I’ll eventually get to succeeding. So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… ! Also, if any of you have yahoo instant messenger, and would offer your online services to support and distract me through the worst of my battle with the ugly nicotine monster, please email me with your jen

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Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!!

  Yay!   As to method, one thing that helped a friend with it was to run more.  He’d started running while still smoking and decreased the smoking level as time went on because he could really feel the difference in his running if he smoked less.   Another take, which helped a friend finish his first Ironman distance triathlon (he was out there for a bit over 16 hours (!)), from Yoda:   Do, or do not.  There is no try.   You will _do_. — Robert Grumbine http://www.radix.net/~bobg/ Science faqs and amateur activities notes and links. Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences

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 Oh, and you might also have figured out (before making this remark) that the speaker to whom you refer as having a "lack of ability with the english language" is a Ph.D. with an IQ well over 160, and could, if she didn’t have so much class, make you and me and most everyone else here feel like monkeys with our limited command of the English language

Just cuz someone has a high IQ doesn’t mean that they have a good command of the English language.  From what I understand, Einstein didn’t have a firm grip on language skills but he managed to get a bagel shop named after him, along with that stuff about relativity.

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 Oh, and you might also have figured out (before making this remark) that the speaker to whom you refer as having a "lack of ability with the english language" is a Ph.D. with an IQ well over 160, and could, if she

AND SHE’S DARNED SMART, TOO!!!! didn’t have so much class, make you and me and most everyone else here feel like monkeys with our limited command of the English language Hehehe… I hate it when I stick my foot in my mouth, don’t you?

Monkeys CAN, can’t they!!!  :-)  Actually, i used to be able to stick my big toe in my mouth.. Might still be able to, haven’t tried it lately… hmmmm…

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Maybe we need to moderate the language here – comments like the one on the bottom of the post are thoroughly offensive and show a huge lack of thinking and ability with the English language…..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mary Lou added: So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason? WOW!!  NObody ’round here would to THAT, would they?  :-) Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, Ms. Sarcastic! . . . . . . . . . . OOPS! Dr. Kathryn Litherland, rent-a-prof Triton Community College and North Park University

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ROTF !!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mary Lou added: So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason? WOW!!  NObody ’round here would to THAT, would they?  :-) Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, Ms. Sarcastic! . . . . . . . . . . OOPS! Dr. Kathryn Litherland, rent-a-prof Triton Community College and North Park University

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ROTF !!!

me too!  Before i looked at who that post was, i was like "HUH?" then it all made sense.. got me there! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Mary Lou added: So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason? WOW!!  NObody ’round here would to THAT, would they?  :-) Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, Ms. Sarcastic! . . . . . . . . . . OOPS! Dr. Kathryn Litherland, rent-a-prof Triton Community College and North Park University

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So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason?

WOW!!  NObody ’round here would to THAT, would they?  :-)

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Mary Lou added: So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason? WOW!!  NObody ’round here would to THAT, would they?  :-)

Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, Ms. Sarcastic! . . . . . . . . . . OOPS! Dr. Kathryn Litherland, rent-a-prof Triton Community College and North Park University

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Yay!!! Jen!!! Woo-Woo! I am so happy for you. Taking that first step – the *decision* to actually quit – is the hardest. My daughter did the same this past week – went to the Doc and got the patch. Supposed to last the month and then she is free! Feel free to e-mail me anytime – I have never smoked, but will be there if you need to scream and yell. Peace, Donna

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Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… !

So you are saying that some of your posts may be harsh, rude and you might snap at some of us for no apparent reason? How are we supposed to differentiate between your normal posts and the posts made under the stress of quitting smoking?     Just kidding, just kidding!   Please accept my encouragement for the task that you have chosen to undertake.  I wish you well, Jen. sam Don’t push the red button, Never push the red button!       Daffy Duck

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Something which helped me was a dramatic increase in daily exercise – that was 20 years ago and I just stopped. Never gone back to it, maintained the exercise, no longer felt so bad in the mornings or smelled like an ashtray or spent a fortune on dry cleaning clothes, or on frequent redecoration of the house etc etc. And I don’t get nagged by the medics on my annual check – or the dentist! Aren’t  there just truckloads of reasons to give motivation? Finally, I’ve saved a fortune in tax…!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! I had planned to quit on Oct 1 (seemed convenient time, what with being unemployed and kids away for two weeks), but the WTC tragedy got in the way, and the darn date came and went……. but now I think I’m ready. Okay, I KNOW I’m ready. Today I’m preparing my strategy, debating my new quit date, exhausting my last lame excuses….. actually, I think the quit date just may be tomorrow, or maybe when this pack runs out this afternoon. Or maybe I will symbolically flush the darn pack down the toilet, and get this over with right now…..! My plan is to try cold turkey first, three days of misery & then it’s over, it worked last time.  But if that doesn’t work, I’ve got a box of patches to try next, and as a very last resort, an Rx for Zyban which I can fill if I need to. I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….. I already failed my first attempt yesterday. But from previous experience (when I quit cold turkey and it lasted 7 glorious smoke-free years), the more I fail, the closer I’ll eventually get to succeeding. So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… ! Also, if any of you have yahoo instant messenger, and would offer your online services to support and distract me through the worst of my battle with the ugly nicotine monster, please email me with your jen

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Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!!

That’s terrific. I only ask one thing please don’t turn into one of those born-again reformed smokers. You know the ones whose nostrils turn up in derision and roll their eyeballs in disgust every time they pass a poor lonely abused self- flagrated smoker lying in the gutter of his own miserable failures…Hey that’s me! Roy

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Good Luck Jen, I know it’s  ahrd thing to do.. I wish there was a way I could give up food

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Good Luck Jen!!!  I’m pullin for ya! Daisy

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi All, Just wanted to give you the head’s up that I’m in the process of working up my courage to quit smoking, once and for all! Naddah, never, forever!!!!!! I had planned to quit on Oct 1 (seemed convenient time, what with being unemployed and kids away for two weeks), but the WTC tragedy got in the way, and the darn date came and went……. but now I think I’m ready. Okay, I KNOW I’m ready. Today I’m preparing my strategy, debating my new quit date, exhausting my last lame excuses….. actually, I think the quit date just may be tomorrow, or maybe when this pack runs out this afternoon. Or maybe I will symbolically flush the darn pack down the toilet, and get this over with right now…..! My plan is to try cold turkey first, three days of misery & then it’s over, it worked last time.  But if that doesn’t work, I’ve got a box of patches to try next, and as a very last resort, an Rx for Zyban which I can fill if I need to. I’m prepared to fail miserably the first few attempts….. I already failed my first attempt yesterday. But from previous experience (when I quit cold turkey and it lasted 7 glorious smoke-free years), the more I fail, the closer I’ll eventually get to succeeding. So please bear with me……. if you see me posting here and I don’t quite seem myself, that’s my excuse. And I apologize in advance if I snap at anyone…… ! Also, if any of you have yahoo instant messenger, and would offer your online services to support and distract me through the worst of my battle with the ugly nicotine monster, please email me with your jen

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i’ll put in my vote for the QR – better quality.  i’ve had a few bad rides on cannondales.  however, regardless of the choice i’d opt for the carbon frame if possible, as both bikes are so stiff that you’ll get your filings rattled out if ride an aluminum fork. just my 2 cents – mike

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Ray: I would think long term (3-5 years down the road)… compare manufacturers’ warranties, ask the LBS which bike would have higher resale value in 3-5 years, etc. If the LBS favors one brand over the other, they will probably give you better service on that brand also, although theoretically if they’re dealers for both, it shouldn’t matter.

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I would recommend buying one of the better frames.  You can always upgrade the components later.

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OK, I’m buying my first tri bike in anticipation of first triathlon in May.  I’ve checked the web, visited a good multi-sport LBS (where, thanks to a quiet Sunday, the owner spent 90 mins with me), read a couple of bike books, etc.

Good. I see at least four bikes that more or less meet my budget criteria (Cannondale MS 800, MS 2000, QR Kilo, TeQuilo) and the shop assures me they can "fit" any of these to my body.  Now I reach the point where I wonder what criteria I really should be using to select among these models.  Surely it doesn’t just come down to "how cool?" and "what color?"

Sometimes it comes to just that. One of the four bikes will give you a thrill when you ride it. That thrill may come from the color, the cachet, or even the decals. That thrill is the test a bike must pass after it has passed all the other tests. As for specifics, in both lines the lower model offers Shimano 105, the upper has Ultegra.  Lower generally has aluminum fork, upper carbon. The Cannondale frames have aero body tubes the QRs don’t.

The aero tubes on the ‘dales are not really aero. They are too fat for the shape to do any good. Don’t base your decision on that alone. A really aero frame will be well outside your budget criteria. And the advantage would be down in the noise for all but the very most competitive racer. Any suggestions on other selection criteria I should be considering? Other sources of info I should consult?  Any passionate beliefs about either line?

All are competent bicycles, and all will work as promised. The QR’s have a slightly more aggressive position: the seat tube is a bit steeper (78 degrees vs. 76, as I recall), and the top tube a bit lower. It will give you a bit flatter back, and make riding in the aerobars a bit more aerodynamic. The ‘dale will be a bit more versatile in that it is closer to a road position if you plan to use drop bars more than aero bars as you should if you ride in groups. But that two degrees is easily within the adjustment range afforded by a selection of seatposts and saddles. So I’d still look for the thrill.

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OK, I’m buying my first tri bike in anticipation of first triathlon in May.  I’ve checked the web, visited a good multi-sport LBS (where, thanks to a quiet Sunday, the owner spent 90 mins with me), read a couple of bike books, etc. I see at least four bikes that more or less meet my budget criteria (Cannondale MS 800, MS 2000, QR Kilo, TeQuilo) and the shop assures me they can "fit" any of these to my body.  Now I reach the point where I wonder what criteria I really should be using to select among these models.  Surely it doesn’t just come down to "how cool?" and "what color?" As for specifics, in both lines the lower model offers Shimano 105, the upper has Ultegra.  Lower generally has aluminum fork, upper carbon. The Cannondale frames have aero body tubes the QRs don’t. Any suggestions on other selection criteria I should be considering? Other sources of info I should consult?  Any passionate beliefs about either line? Any comments, direction is appreciated. Regards, Raymo

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Heat is bad, Humidity is bad, Cold (above 0′F) is bearable, Snow is bad. Although I know some runners who love hot, humid days. Bill

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I guess i have a high body temperature or something (possibly my body has adapted to living in Buffalo), but i generally dislike running in temps. above 80 F. It takes all my energy away. I once went for a run during a vacation in florida, it was about 90 F and quite humid, that was not fun. I ran to the beach (about three miles from the hotel) and promptly jumped in the water. Oh well. Todd Vogt Univerisity at Buffalo Department of Biochemistry

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I would have to agree with "Hoffman"…..by nature we are warm blooded creatures. I think the body adjusts to warmth much easier.                              " JOE’s  opinion "

Hi: I’m not sure what you mean by "adjust." In running (which is what we’re talking about),  heat has a negative effect on the ability to perform. Some handle it better mentally than others, but few (if any) can perform better at 95-100 degrees than they can at 55 degrees. It has to do with efficiency in the body. For some good facts on the effects of heat on running, check out: http://www.zunis.org/index.html Like Phil, I look forward to Fall in the south when the temperatures finally start to drop into the 60’s and you can up the pace. "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One possible factor is that you can train harder <consistently in cooler climates. That could more than make up for acclimatization problems. It is VERY difficult to train hard in the south in the summer. A couple of us have kicked this around in the past. There’s no conclusive evidence, but I’m now leaning toward accepting the "harder training makes up for it" argument. I wish it was different, hailing from down south… I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training. I’m a northerner… and I love the cold… I even wanted to move to Alaska just so as to avoid the summer months in NY. However, as a runner I ditched the Alaska idea when I made the decision that running in the cold far outweighs running in the heat on the scale of suckiness.

I don’t mind hot weather. That’s why I live down here. <g I just recognize now that it would be more beneficial overall to train in a cooler climate because my overall training pace would be higher. Thus I might be faster. I wish I could say that training in the heat physically helps me run faster in it, but I don’t think that’s the case. It helps to accept it mentally, but I don’t think that overcomes the handicap of my overall slower training pace for a good part of the year. This is a change in thinking on my part. Anecdotal evidence seems to bear this out. Northern runners seem quite capable of coming down here and cleaning our clocks even when the heat gets extreme. I suspect it’s because they can train harder overall. But I agree that the "green grass" syndrome is there for most folks. Mike Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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I hate heat more. You can always put on more clothes, as another poster pointed out, but once you’re nekkid, that’s it. Where do you go? But, that’s why people settle down in different geographic areas. I truly do not believe that I could be happy in a warm climate, just because I’d miss winter. Obviously there are plenty of folks who feel the opposite. Whatever. So, what do your tallies prove so far, Mr. Hoffman? well, at least nobody’s posted a new message to this NG about the bloody imp**chment postponement or Operation "Oh, Crap. Did We Really Name This One After a Nazi?", yet, Dirk – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – One possible factor is that you can train harder <consistently in cooler climates. That could more than make up for acclimatization problems. It is VERY difficult to train hard in the south in the summer. A couple of us have kicked this around in the past. There’s no conclusive evidence, but I’m now leaning toward accepting the "harder training makes up for it" argument. I wish it was different, hailing from down south… I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training. I’m a northerner… and I love the cold… I even wanted to move to Alaska just so as to avoid the summer months in NY. However, as a runner I ditched the Alaska idea when I made the decision that running in the cold far outweighs running in the heat on the scale of suckiness. Heat and cold are obviously two very different sensations, and each one has its drawbacks, but of the two… I think cold is worse for training.  I look at it this way. Which one keeps more people indoors? The heat, or the cold?  I think the cold keeps far more people in. Whenever I go to Florida, no matter how hot it is; 80, 90, 95++, I see lots of people around in the sweltering heat, no matter how hot it is.. When it is 20 degrees in the north; almost everyone chooses to be indoors. Heat can be tolerated; at the very least you can simply train at a lower intensity so you dont get so hot… or run at night. But when its cold… hell… you dont even want to bother because being cold is such an unpleasant feeling (which is all the worse when running because it puts a sting in your lungs)….. But… to each his own.

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Preferably, I’d take neither! <g  My favourite time for running is around 0530 on a summer morning, all the better if it’s out in the country/woods! And even more so if it’s raining!  But too much heat ain’t good, and cold weather is even worse for me – makes my knees hurt.  Arthritis maybe?  No chance of finding me running up here in the -30C weather we tend to have in the winter!!  And another question on the side: Does anyone else find that running in the rain gives them a mental edge or am I just wierd? Take care, Cindi Cindi Prudhomme Carleton University Ottawa, ON

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I have run in everything from the 40C heat of India during the hot season to the -25C cold of a Canadian winter. I am not sure which end of the spectrum I really "hate" At either end of the temp. scale I look at it as more of a challenge to get out the door and get in a run. I just enjoy getting out the door for a run regardless of the weather. Steve Fleck  

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Atlanta. This time of year is the perfect time of year to be piling on the mileage and intensity. The grass is definitely greener on my side. The temps are in the 40-55 range and low humidity. What I am confused by one thing. Why am I virtually the only runner out there right now? On my normal route during the summer I see maybe 5 to 10 other runners. Now I rarely see anyone. Do people think that if you’re not sweating a gallon of fluid then you’re not really exercising? I’m out there and noticing the same thing. Ran 16 mi on Peachtree Rd. Sunday in 50 degree drizzle wearing a tank top and short-shorts! Maybe you were the one guy I crossed paths and exchanged a brief greeting with? That’s not cold.

I agree. That’s why I said "This time of year is the perfect time of year."    -Phil

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by nature we are warm blooded creatures.

Polar bears are warm blooded<g Jim

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I live in Atlanta. This time of year is the perfect time of year to be piling on the mileage and intensity. The grass is definitely greener on my side. The temps are in the 40-55 range and low humidity. What I am confused by one thing. Why am I virtually the only runner out there right now? On my normal route during the summer I see maybe 5 to 10 other runners. Now I rarely see anyone. Do people think that if you’re not sweating a gallon of fluid then you’re not really exercising? I’m out there and noticing the same thing. Ran 16 mi on Peachtree Rd. Sunday in 50 degree drizzle wearing a tank top and short-shorts! Maybe you were the one guy I crossed paths and exchanged a brief greeting with?

That’s not cold.  In Wisconsin, that’s warm.  About a week ago, I started out on a 2 hour run with the temps in the low 50s.  I just wore a t-shirt and shorts.  Within 15 minutes a cold rain started.  15 minutes later it was rain mixed with hail and the temp had dropped into the low 40s.  About an hour into my run I was being pelted with hail, and was freezing.  Then it started to snow–big wet flakes that got me totally soaked (fortunately I wasn’t wearing cotton).  By the time I made it back home the snow was falling faster and starting to pile up.  I got inside and fell down on the floor.  An unpleasant side effect of being soaked with freezing water was significant and rather painful "shrinkage" down below.   Those temps are actually pretty high; this has been an unusually warm fall in the Midwest. A couple of years ago I remember being out for a run with only one layer on my hands.  It was about 10 degrees F ambient temp.  I came out onto a lakefront stretch that had no shelter; the wind was whipping off the lake so hard that within a couple of minutes my fingers were throbbing with pain.  I had to run inside a building–they hurt even worse while they were warming up.  Now I wear a liner and wind-proof mittens whenever its below 20 degrees or so. Personally, I would love winter running if it meant 50 degrees. tom

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Just to let you know there’s at least one other nut still out there!

I think the ones that are nuts are the ones that only run when it’s 90 degrees and 80% humidity.    -Phil

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I think it also has lots to do with definitions of "hot" and "cold."  Here in Austin, "hot" can be (and often is) 100 degrees and 98% humidity.  "Cold" is usually not less than 40 degrees or so, and moderate humidity.  Thus, I much prefer the "cold" weather. My sister in Minneapolis, however, has different definitions.  To her, typical summer conditions might be eighties, albeit muggy.  "Cold," however, means -20 degrees and practically zero humidity – real lung-burner weather.  Thus, she rarely runs between Thanksgiving and Easter. It’s all relative! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training. I live in Atlanta. This time of year is the perfect time of year to be piling on the mileage and intensity. The grass is definitely greener on my side. The temps are in the 40-55 range and low humidity. What I am confused by one thing. Why am I virtually the only runner out there right now? On my normal route during the summer I see maybe 5 to 10 other runners. Now I rarely see anyone. Do people think that if you’re not sweating a gallon of fluid then you’re not really exercising?    -Phil

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I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training.

I live in Atlanta. This time of year is the perfect time of year to be piling on the mileage and intensity. The grass is definitely greener on my side. The temps are in the 40-55 range and low humidity. What I am confused by one thing. Why am I virtually the only runner out there right now? On my normal route during the summer I see maybe 5 to 10 other runners. Now I rarely see anyone. Do people think that if you’re not sweating a gallon of fluid then you’re not really exercising?    -Phil

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In rec.running I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training.

Well, you pegged me there, as a southerner. Heat can be tolerated; at the very least you can simply train at a lower intensity so you dont get so hot… or run at night.

I do run at night, winter and summer.  Perhaps since it doesn’t get as cold as it does up north, I prefer the cold.  The fact is that I perform best when the temps are in the 50s to 60s.  The only time I ever get that here is during the winter.  In the Houston area, it only gets in the low ’80s at night, but the humidity soars to near 100%.  Your sweat does nothing but soak you. But when its cold… hell… you dont even want to bother because being cold is such an unpleasant feeling (which is all the worse when running because it puts a sting in your lungs)….. But… to each his own.

I can always put on more clothes when it is cold.  In the summer, what do you do when a tank top and shorts aren’t enough?  I run in the AC at my club or on a treadmill. Bruce in Katy Texas

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People are affected by heat and humidity differently.  Just like the effect of hills.  Interesting though that the South contingent did the worst by far in both races. Jim Rech

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I live in Atlanta. This time of year is the perfect time of year to be piling on the mileage and intensity. The grass is definitely greener on my side. The temps are in the 40-55 range and low humidity. What I am confused by one thing. Why am I virtually the only runner out there right now? On my normal route during the summer I see maybe 5 to 10 other runners. Now I rarely see anyone. Do people think that if you’re not sweating a gallon of fluid then you’re not really exercising?

I’m out there and noticing the same thing. Ran 16 mi on Peachtree Rd. Sunday in 50 degree drizzle wearing a tank top and short-shorts! Maybe you were the one guy I crossed paths and exchanged a brief greeting with? I suppose for the folks who go for light recreational runs, the unpleasantness outweighs the benefits. I have to admit numb hands and sore lungs from the cold air aren’t particularly enjoyable. (I have gloves but I don’t like to wear many clothes when running.) Also, people around here just aren’t prepared for cold weather. (Ref. how the whole town shuts down whenever we get snow flurries!) Just to let you know there’s at least one other nut still out there! chuck | chuck lail  | i go through all this before you wake up                | |   godot     | so i can feel happier to be safe again with you – bjork |

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I would have to agree with "Hoffman"…..by nature we are warm blooded creatures. I think the body adjusts to warmth much easier.                               " JOE’s  opinion "

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Well, I live in Anchorage, Alaska and I don’t know what Heat is. LOL. A hot summer day around here is about 75′ F. Sometimes that can drain me. If I ever visit the South in summer I doubt I would be able to run two miles. Now, the Cold!  The beautiful Cold! I love running in the Cold! Running outside in the winter is exhilarating. The scenery, at least around here, is magnificent. I get a sense of peace and serenity on winter runs that I don’t get any other time of the year. I especially love Sunday morning runs on the Coastal Trail when it is cold. I usually have the trail to myself. It is quite a high. And running in the winter develops toughness. And a oneness with nature. I love seeing moose and ravens on my runs. Tough creatures that stick it out in the winter. Unlike the wimpy bears that sleep through it. And I’m glad they do. I get to run on trails that I wouldn’t go anywhere near in the summer. Ahhh, indeed, give me -20′ F over 90′ F anyday!

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One possible factor is that you can train harder <consistently in cooler climates. That could more than make up for acclimatization problems. It is VERY difficult to train hard in the south in the summer. A couple of us have kicked this around in the past. There’s no conclusive evidence, but I’m now leaning toward accepting the "harder training makes up for it" argument. I wish it was different, hailing from down south…

I always find this line of conversation interesting because it always smells of "the grass is always greener on the other side" syndrome.  I think southerners are more inclined to despise hot weather, and northerners are more prone to despise cold weather; at least in the context of training. I’m a northerner… and I love the cold… I even wanted to move to Alaska just so as to avoid the summer months in NY. However, as a runner I ditched the Alaska idea when I made the decision that running in the cold far outweighs running in the heat on the scale of suckiness. Heat and cold are obviously two very different sensations, and each one has its drawbacks, but of the two… I think cold is worse for training.  I look at it this way. Which one keeps more people indoors? The heat, or the cold?  I think the cold keeps far more people in. Whenever I go to Florida, no matter how hot it is; 80, 90, 95++, I see lots of people around in the sweltering heat, no matter how hot it is.. When it is 20 degrees in the north; almost everyone chooses to be indoors. Heat can be tolerated; at the very least you can simply train at a lower intensity so you dont get so hot… or run at night. But when its cold… hell… you dont even want to bother because being cold is such an unpleasant feeling (which is all the worse when running because it puts a sting in your lungs)….. But… to each his own.

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These runners have been training and racing in cool to outright cold weather for the past month or so.  Getting acclimated to warm, humid weather in a short amount of time is extremely difficult, if not impossible.  It doesn’t seem fair to some of the cold weather athletes, but hey, I guess that’s life.

I think most people have alot less problem with this situation than would be the reciprocal case. Its alot easier to adjust to 60/70′ish type weather than it is to acclimitize to running up north in shorts and tank top in 20-40 degree’ish weather with wind chill factors that could get even lower than that.

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Just a thought on this outstanding showcase of high school running talent. I’m sure that the kids have a blast in Florida in December and it’s an all around great experience for them.  But, it seems a little unfair to the athletes from the Northeast, MidAtlantic, Upper Midwest, etc. to deal with the Florida weather, especially the humidity.

I ran a race in VanCortland Park the same day as the Northeast XC championships Thanksgiving weekend and let me tell you it wasn’t typical NE weather. I was running in shorts and singlet and sweating my brains out a few days after Thanksgiving. Believe me the NE kids are ready for the weather. BTW the highschool girls champion beat my time by nearly 30 seconds! Andrew Heiz

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        I disagree.  Going to heat and humidity increases the physiological stress on the body.  Going to cold increases the psychological stress.  It is easier to warm up and to add a layer of polypro and a hat than to get cool.         If I am not mistaken, both winners were from up north—and I think it has been warmer in the Midwest and Northeast than usual which could not hurt. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – These runners have been training and racing in cool to outright cold weather for the past month or so.  Getting acclimated to warm, humid weather in a short amount of time is extremely difficult, if not impossible.  It doesn’t seem fair to some of the cold weather athletes, but hey, I guess that’s life. I think most people have alot less problem with this situation than would be the reciprocal case. Its alot easier to adjust to 60/70′ish type weather than it is to acclimitize to running up north in shorts and tank top in 20-40 degree’ish weather with wind chill factors that could get even lower than that.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just a thought on this outstanding showcase of high school running talent. I’m sure that the kids have a blast in Florida in December and it’s an all around great experience for them.  But, it seems a little unfair to the athletes from the Northeast, MidAtlantic, Upper Midwest, etc. to deal with the Florida weather, especially the humidity. These runners have been training and racing in cool to outright cold weather for the past month or so.  Getting acclimated to warm, humid weather in a short amount of time is extremely difficult, if not impossible.  It doesn’t seem fair to some of the cold weather athletes, but hey, I guess that’s life. The results probably both support and contradict what I’m saying.  All I know is that when we visit my in laws in Florida once a year, I have extreme difficulty in getting in good workouts in the heat and humidity . . . and I’m a well conditioned triathlete. Dave

Hi, Results from the US Nationals in triathlon, held in Clermont, Fl this year <in very hot conditions don’t quite support your hypothesis. The yanks took more than their fair share of awards. One possible factor is that you can train harder <consistently in cooler climates. That could more than make up for acclimatization problems. It is VERY difficult to train hard in the south in the summer. A couple of us have kicked this around in the past. There’s no conclusive evidence, but I’m now leaning toward accepting the "harder training makes up for it" argument. I wish it was different, hailing from down south… The level of the runners involved may also be a large factor. Elite runners should run well anywhere. Age groupers and Boppers may be more effected by the heat. Mike Tennent "TriBop" ‘98 Ironman Canada, 16:17:03

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A girl from Vermont has won the last two years. — Ray "my VT high school didn’t have X-country" Charbonneau R107 – End User Computing The MITRE Corporation – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –         I disagree.  Going to heat and humidity increases the physiological stress on the body.  Going to cold increases the psychological stress.  It is easier to warm up and to add a layer of polypro and a hat than to get cool.         If I am not mistaken, both winners were from up north—and I think it has been warmer in the Midwest and Northeast than usual which could not hurt. These runners have been training and racing in cool to outright cold weather for the past month or so.  Getting acclimated to warm, humid weather in a short amount of time is extremely difficult, if not impossible.  It doesn’t seem fair to some of the cold weather athletes, but hey, I guess that’s life. I think most people have alot less problem with this situation than would be the reciprocal case. Its alot easier to adjust to 60/70′ish type weather than it is to acclimitize to running up north in shorts and tank top in 20-40 degree’ish weather with wind chill factors that could get even lower than that.

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Just a thought on this outstanding showcase of high school running talent. I’m sure that the kids have a blast in Florida in December and it’s an all around great experience for them.  But, it seems a little unfair to the athletes from the Northeast, MidAtlantic, Upper Midwest, etc. to deal with the Florida weather, especially the humidity. These runners have been training and racing in cool to outright cold weather for the past month or so.  Getting acclimated to warm, humid weather in a short amount of time is extremely difficult, if not impossible.  It doesn’t seem fair to some of the cold weather athletes, but hey, I guess that’s life. The results probably both support and contradict what I’m saying.  All I know is that when we visit my in laws in Florida once a year, I have extreme difficulty in getting in good workouts in the heat and humidity . . . and I’m a well conditioned triathlete. Dave — "Why do you participate?" "Because I am Mad" –Response from an English competitor to the question asked on the entry form for the Marathon des Sables, the 142 mile run across the Moroccan Sahara.

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I was wondering if anyone knew of when the Loggerhead Triathlon in Jupiter, FL is to take place? Last year it was on June 6th, conflicting with the Key West Swim, but I have not seen it appear in any schedules this year. Its a sprint with a 1/2 mile swim, about a 15 mile bike and a 5K run, for any interested. P. Dale Mason "Tri-harder, Tri-faster, Tri-again next week"

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I was wondering if anyone knew of when the Loggerhead Triathlon in Jupiter, FL is to take place? Last year it was on June 6th, conflicting with the Key West Swim, but I have not seen it appear in any schedules this year.

My KIds Just received their apps for The School’s Out Tri, which run with the Loggerhead. That race is Sunday June 7, which if it is like previous years, would make the Loggerhead June 6. And yes It’s a great race for a good cause. The awards are fantastic, custom made ceramicware. My daughter eats her breakfast almost every day from her’s ( A wonderful pottery bowl )… Al Kormesser

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If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese

I don’t know my history well, but how the heck did we get, or allow, this man to be president? Shaking my head… "Iron Pete" Priolo IMC’96 – 10:36:37    IMC’97 – 10:42:53 ‘98 – Gulf Coast Tri, IMC – confirmed ‘98 – Buffalo Springs Lake Tri, Blackwater Eagleman – unconfirmed

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If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese I don’t know my history well, but how the heck did we get, or allow, this man to be president?

I have been asking this question for YEARS… Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Triathlon Digest: Tuesday, February 3, 1998 Vol. 2, No. 23 Published by Triathlon Central In This Issue:         * Serving Les McDonald (from various)         * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine:         This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify.         It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC:         "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone.  More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport."         I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald.  He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler.  I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail.  Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman].  I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door.  I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table.  She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald.  He made no response, refusing to look at me.  I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up.  Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door." USA Triathlon Answer to Ironman Lawsuit: Says ITU Forced Action Against Ironman Tarpon Springs, Fla., February 2, 1998:  USA Triathlon (USAT), a defendant along with the International Triathlon Union (ITU) and its president Les McDonald in a lawsuit filed by the owner of the Ironman Triathlon sports brand, conceded in its initial U.S. Federal Court response that it may have acted wrongfully against Ironman.  But USAT defended its actions by claiming ITU forced  its hand. USAT’s response states that it "affirmatively objected to, voted against or argued against many of the wrongful acts alleged on the part of ITU."  USAT also states in its answer that "any breach of contract on [its] part was involuntary and was required and compelled by the ITU and is the sole responsibility of the ITU." ITU is the sport of triathlon’s international federation.  USAT is triathlon’s U.S. national governing body, and ITU claims that USAT is under its control.  The World Triathlon Corp. (WTC), which organizes the Ironman Triathlon, has accused ITU of trying to create an illegal monopoly over the commercial aspects of the sport, and of using its rule-making authority in the sport to create an anti-competitive business climate. WTC began the litigation in October 1997 following USAT’s withdrawal of its sanction for the 1997 Ironman Triathlon World Championship.  WTC asserted the withdrawal of the sanction was wrongful and was done by USAT at ITU’s direction because ITU objected to WTC using the words "triathlon world championship" in its event title.  A month later, WTC added broader antitrust claims. McDonald only recently was personally served with a copy of the summons and complaint in the lawsuit after almost two months of trying by a process server.  McDonald has until early February to respond.  ITU’s treasurer (Mark Sisson) also was served with a summons and complaint in Los Angeles in November 1997. USAT’s initial response to the lawsuit also contains the admission that WTC is correct when it alleges that ITU has coupled gaining Olympic eligibility through participation in the ITU World Cup series as part of an ITU attempt to force athletes to choose between competing in the Ironman Triathlon World Championship or the Olympics. WTC also asserts that ITU and McDonald have engaged in a pattern of intimidation, boycotts and punishment against athletes and business interests deemed by ITU to be dissenters or competitors of ITU’s business operations. Those alleged to have been injured by ITU’s anti-competitive conduct include athletes suspended from competing in ITU competitions following their participation in an ITU boycotted "World Cup" event in Queensland, Australia, in 1995; Online Sports International, another Australian group that produced an ITU-boycotted race series that ITU deemed to be in competition with its World Cup series; and a number of other independent triathlon businesses whose principals had spoken out against ITU practices. A full copy of  the lawsuit is available upon request from the United States Court for the Middle District of  Florida, Tampa Division. It also can be accessed on the World Wide Web at http://ironmantri.com.  Other Ironman-related media requests can be made to Rob Perry at 813-942-4767, ext. 233. Inquiries to USAT should be directed to officials at the organization’s Colorado Springs, Colo., headquarters.  McDonald and ITU offices are located in Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Editors’ Background on WTC and Ironman Triathlon:  The World Triathlon Corporation (WTC) is based in Tarpon Springs, Fla., and also operates an office in Kona, Hawaii.  WTC, and its principal owner, Dr. James P. Gills, acquired the rights to the Ironman Triathlon trademark and Ironman Triathlon World Championship in 1989.  WTC produces the championship race in Kona, Hawaii, each October and oversees qualifying procedures and events leading to the championship event.  This includes eight international races licensed as iIronman Triathloni events. ITU president McDonald is a five-time finisher of the Ironman Triathlon World Championship and a former age-group Ironman world champion. End of Triathlon Digest, which is sponsored by Triathlon Sourcebook. Please

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Agreed. If true, unbelievable. It’s like the song, [ Les ], "you can run but you cannot hide!" (besides, if he continued to try to evade service of process, chances are that the plaintiff’s attorneys would have other means of perfecting service of the lawsuit, publication, etc.) Pitiful. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – At first I wondered, "Is this account true?" Well, it’s not April Fool’s day, the credibilty of Katherine’s posts to date has been good.  There’s a saying that goes something like: "This is too bizarre to be made up."  This probably fits. If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese In This Issue:         * Serving Les McDonald (from various)         * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine:         This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify.         It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC:         "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone.  More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport."         I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald.  He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler.  I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail.  Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman].  I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door.  I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table.  She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald.  He made no response, refusing to look at me.  I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up.  Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door."

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At first I wondered, "Is this account true?" Well, it’s not April Fool’s day, the credibilty of Katherine’s posts to date has been good.  There’s a saying that goes something like: "This is too bizarre to be made up."  This probably fits. If true, this is pathetic behavior. Grow up Les. AJ Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – In This Issue:         * Serving Les McDonald (from various)         * USA Triathlon responds to Ironman lawsuit (from Rob Perry) Notes from Katherine:         This issue of Triathlon Digest focuses on the lawsuit brought by World Triathlon Corp., the owner and organizer of the Ironman triathlon, against ITU and ITU president Les McDonald. The first item came to the attention of Triathlon Digest from several sources – none of which was the WTC, I want to clarify.         It’s an unusual posting – it’s the notes of the process server who eventually served the legal papers to McDonald. When I contacted WTC for fact-checking, I received the following response from WTC:         "We’re somewhat reluctant to see this information released publicly as we aren’t trying to embarrass anyone.  More importantly, our lawsuit stands on its own in addressing our feelings about the current governance of the sport."         I post the process server’s notes without further comment, as the first item in the Digest. NOTE TO SERVICE OF LES McDONALD November 25th 1997 A man [whom I didn't know, but whom] I now have identified as Les McDonald by virtue of the magazine article [and photo sent to me by WTC] answered the door and told me Les McDonald was in Australia . November 26th 1997 A woman answered [whom I now know to be Mrs. McDonald, but whom I didn't know at the time] and told me Les McDonald was not home and was very evasive as to when he would be [at home]. November 27th 1997 No answer at the door. November 26th 1997 Phoned the [McDonald] home and asked for Les McDonald.  He answered [the phone] and told me he was just leaving for Whistler.  I immediately went to the [McDonald] house and as it happened the mailman was just delivering the mail.  Les McDonald [whom I didn't know at time because I had not as yet received his picture] was collecting it from [the mailman].  I approached and [the man who was] Les McDonald told me that Les McDonald had already left for Whistler and that the address was 2512 Whistler Road. On numerous other occasions there was no response at the door although it was evident the house was occupied. I also attended the [ITU] office on Esquimalt Ave. with no success. January 12th 1998 I attended the [McDonald] home at 7:00 pm and the wife [Mrs. McDonald] answered the door.  I asked for Les McDonald and she said he was not home. I confronted her by saying I could see him through the window at the kitchen table.  She shut the door. I then rang the doorbell several times with no response. I then banged on the front window in full view of Les McDonald.  He made no response, refusing to look at me.  I then went to the side window, no more than five feet from Les McDonald and banged on the window. He again refused to look up.  Then I went back to the front door and noticed it was open. I went into the entrance and looked around the corner [and] looked at Les McDonald who still refused to look up. I said, "Les McDonald, I am leaving your documents on the chair beside the front door."

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Les McDonald certainly sounds like someone who will negotiate and rationally think over his positions regarding sponsorship, the Olympics, drafting, WORLD champonship triathlon events, etc. etc.  doesn’t he? Yeesshhh……. Of course I am sure there is SOME rational expalanation for his lying  and avoiding a process server.  But gee!  What does it matter anyway.  The sport is going to be in the OLYMPICS!!!!!! Feeling a bit jaded and sarcastic this AM.  Sorry….. Mark

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A group of us switched from road bikes to tri(QR) bikes . Everyone loves the fit and say they have never felt as comfortable on a bike. We train long & short on these bikes. I save my road bike for the trainer.   QUESTION? does anyone use their racing bike on the trainer? How has it held up after a few years? Any frame problems?

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A group of us switched from road bikes to tri(QR) bikes . Everyone loves the fit and say they have never felt as comfortable on a bike. We train long & short on these bikes. I save my road bike for the trainer.   QUESTION? does anyone use their racing bike on the trainer? How has it held up after a few years? Any frame problems?

i do 1/2 my training in the summer and all in the winter on my blackburn trainer using my racing bike(a cannondale r900). the finish of the polished aluminum frame looks like hell after three years of this and i’ve been through many tires(i use old ones) but otherwise i’ve no problems.  i do use towels to keep sweat of the headset and front hub ect. and continuosly wipe myself off, i sweat 4 pounds an hour on my trainer!  i thought of using a old bike for all this but since i do so much training in this manner i don’t want to throw my body off with a different bike.  most people would consider all this work on a trainer insane, but i love the workout it gives me- my favorite is a weekly 5 1/2 ride on my trainer with a steady 75% HR, surrounded by water and food and my stereo.  i actually enjoy it and it has done wonders for my bike split, i’ve become a  strong cyclist. tim hignett buaidh no bas

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my favorite is a weekly 5 1/2 ride on my trainer tim hignett buaidh no bas

Is that 5 1/2 *HOURS*??? tim, you are a truly sick person — Slainte, Richard. Arran Triathlon Club – we got both kindsa wind, out *and* back!

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It mimics hill training except that the motion is different.  You will get a pretty good heart rate response as well since you are having to fight gravity.  Now was Karen using a stairclimber in a gym or running them? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –    I was reading an article about Karen Smyers; one aspect of her training is stair climbing. As I have a 23 story building right on campus, what would the benefit of running up and down these stairs be? Yours David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55.59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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        I was reading an article about Karen Smyers; one aspect of her training is stair climbing. As I have a 23 story building right on campus, what would the benefit of running up and down these stairs be? Yours David Barclay IMC 1997: 11:55.59 Triathlon: "Swim, Bike, Crawl"

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Does anyone know the proper types, and techniques, of stretching exercises before and after a workout? I have a basic regeme for hamstrings, quads, and calves but could use more instruction. For example, when stretching the hamstring while on the floor where should your hands be? Sould your leg be directly out in front of you? Thanks. Dan Brunstein

I bought a book called "Sport Stretch" by someone who’s name I don’t remember. it is a great book. it has over 300 different stretches for all parts of the body and has stretching routines for lots o’ sports. triathalon is not one of the sports listed, but a vast majority of the stretches listed for swimming, running and cycling are common among all three.

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Does anyone know the proper types, and techniques, of stretching exercises before and after a workout? I have a basic regeme for hamstrings, quads, and calves but could use more instruction. For example, when stretching the hamstring while on the floor where should your hands be? Sould your leg be directly out in front of you? Thanks. Dan Brunstein

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Does anyone know the proper types, and techniques, of stretching exercises before and after a workout? I have a basic regeme for hamstrings, quads, and calves but could use more instruction. For example, when stretching the hamstring while on the floor where should your hands be? Sould your leg be directly out in front of you? Thanks. Dan Brunstein

just watch a couple aerobics classes… if the instructor is any good they usually run through a pretty good series of stretches. The basics to keep in mind are: – don’t stretch cold muscles… warm up a few minutes first, or just stretch after your workouts – NEVER bounce – hold stretches for 10-30 seconds Dan

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Does anyone have any comments on the sling shot bikes? I’m looking to replace my current "low end" bike. Thanks for all comments. John Moir, Toronto Canada

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: CME Communications Does anyone have any comments on the sling shot bikes? I’m looking to replace my current "low end" bike. Thanks for all comments. John Moir, Toronto Canada

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i have used one for a year, and several triathlons.  it’s a cool, head-turning bike. i’ve had no problems with it, though it’s skittish when you take your hands off the handlebars. it’s a good  climbing bike. i’m not disappointed by its performance. it’s the ultimate funny bike that really works. katovsky, publisher and editor-in-chief of Multisport

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Does anyone have any comments re: SlingShot ? I am also interested in purchasing their Tri-bike. Thanks …. mike muraski

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: Does anyone have any comments re: SlingShot ? I am also interested in : purchasing their Tri-bike. : Thanks …. : mike muraski  I’ve only seen one in real life. It happened to be a folding one and it looks way cool! They seem tiny. It happened to be under a really fast trihead with monster thighs. They are on my list of cool things to get when lotto comes my way.   TriDork

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Does anyone have any comments re: SlingShot ? I am also interested in purchasing their Tri-bike. Thanks …. mike muraski

I didn’t get to ride their new tri-bike at Interbike but it is great looking. Definitely worth looking into based on conversation around the show. I have to say I’m impressed with what the company is doing. They have an interesting concept and are really working to get it refined and make it available. James Rodewald, online editor, Outside magazine http://www.starwave.com/outside

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Does anyone have any comments re: SlingShot ? I am also interested in purchasing their Tri-bike. Thanks …. mike muraski

The same, I ‘m interested in their bikes and any info is good.   Thanks Michel Somogyi Ottawa, Canada Michel Somogyi Carleton University

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