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Yea, Colorado sucks. Don’t come here. There’s no good biking roads, you can’t get altitude, it’s always snowy all the time, the sun never comes out and there’s nobody to train with and there no scenery. At least the really smart triathletes don’t train or live here…like the entire DeBoom family, Dave Scott, Wes Hobson, Cam Widoff, Siri Lindley, Ryan Bolton, Susan Bartholomew etc. Any they would NEVER build a Olympic training triathlon center here. I mean where would they put it…Colorado Springs or something! And who would coach here. I don’t know of any REAL coaches…It’s not like you could get Joe Friel, Libby Burrell, Michelle Blessing, Ray Browning or even a swim coach like Jane Scott to come to Colorado. Definitely don’t come here if you’re interested in Duathlons! Andy Bruckner or Eric Schwartz wouldn’t live here. Not to mention what would you read! Besides, Inside Tri and Colorado Triathlete, Trailrunner magazine aren’t REALLY published here. Yea, glad I’m not a triathlete that lives in Colorado -Andrew Boulder, CO – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can tell you a best place NOT to live – Colorado. Not that many races, short season. Weather prevents good bike training. Too many other things to do. Sure it is mentioned about the pros here, but many of them are only here for the summer training. But the biggest thing is that Colorado has SOOO much else to do, why would anyone want to just ride and run on the roads. When I used to live in New Orleans, we had a LOT more races and a lot longer season. Plus the only thing to do was road ride and run. You could focus much more easily on triathlons. Since moving to Colorado in 92 I have drifted away from tris. First – the soonest race of the year is in June and the last in Sept., a 4 month season. And, let me say this, this first race (with open water swim) is in two weeks, and yesterday it SNOWED 4-5 inches here. As for distractions, well triathlon training pretty much keeps you one dimensional. Here we have hiking, mtn biking, trail running, climbing, and tons of other stuff to do. Now maybe some can focus on these daily workouts on the roads but why miss all that is offered for something so myopic as just triathlons. So don’t move here unless you want to brach out into other endeavors, else you’d be just as well (better) to move to the midwest, which seems to have a much greater abundance of events, and no distractions.

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Mid-Atlantic region (like DC/Baltimore metro area)…lots of jobs; tons of multisport athletes and events the downsides are: no altitude and the traffic is tied with LA as the worst in the USA.

who ever did that traffic poll never lived in Metro Atlanta for any extended period of time. rick former atlantan now ellicott city, md

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NOT Houston, or anywhere in TX because the "Bubbas" are totally bike-hostile. Fast  swerving pickups and flying tobacco juice.   (It’s so bad, one guy’s got an attack website  http://www.hobil.com/   .) Robert F. "Bury My Heart On Kona" Alexander – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I can tell you a best place NOT to live – Colorado. Not that many races, short season. Weather prevents good bike training. Too many other things to do. Sure it is mentioned about the pros here, but many of them are only here for the summer training. But the biggest thing is that Colorado has SOOO much else to do, why would anyone want to just ride and run on the roads. When I used to live in New Orleans, we had a LOT more races and a lot longer season. Plus the only thing to do was road ride and run. You could focus much more easily on triathlons. Since moving to Colorado in 92 I have drifted away from tris. First – the soonest race of the year is in June and the last in Sept., a 4 month season. And, let me say this, this first race (with open water swim) is in two weeks, and yesterday it SNOWED 4-5 inches here. As for distractions, well triathlon training pretty much keeps you one dimensional. Here we have hiking, mtn biking, trail running, climbing, and tons of other stuff to do. Now maybe some can focus on these daily workouts on the roads but why miss all that is offered for something so myopic as just triathlons. So don’t move here unless you want to brach out into other endeavors, else you’d be just as well (better) to move to the midwest, which seems to have a much greater abundance of events, and no distractions.

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The best place to live and train is the Big Island of Hawaii.  Big Island residence have a better chance of getting into the Kona Ironman.  The Big Island is haven for all kinds of sports including some nonradical winter sports. —

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

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I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks

Didn’t follow the entire thread, don’t know if anyone already voted for the Mid-Atlantic region (like DC/Baltimore metro area)…lots of jobs; tons of multisport athletes and events (pretty much race every weekend if you want); some great tri shops (like Bonzai, no I don’t work for them); a handful of good, free, sports-oriented newspapers with event calendars; Troy J, Joanna Z, Marjan H.; … the downsides are: no altitude and the traffic is tied with LA as the worst in the USA. Cheers S. Austin

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Joe Friel has moved to Scottsdale, AZ. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yea, Colorado sucks. Don’t come here. There’s no good biking roads, you can’t get altitude, it’s always snowy all the time, the sun never comes out and there’s nobody to train with and there no scenery. At least the really smart triathletes don’t train or live here…like the entire DeBoom family, Dave Scott, Wes Hobson, Cam Widoff, Siri Lindley, Ryan Bolton, Susan Bartholomew etc. Any they would NEVER build a Olympic training triathlon center here. I mean where would they put it…Colorado Springs or something! And who would coach here. I don’t know of any REAL coaches…It’s not like you could get Joe Friel, Libby Burrell, Michelle Blessing, Ray Browning or even a swim coach like Jane Scott to come to Colorado. Definitely don’t come here if you’re interested in Duathlons! Andy Bruckner or Eric Schwartz wouldn’t live here. Not to mention what would you read! Besides, Inside Tri and Colorado Triathlete, Trailrunner magazine aren’t REALLY published here. Yea, glad I’m not a triathlete that lives in Colorado -Andrew Boulder, CO I can tell you a best place NOT to live – Colorado. Not that many races, short season. Weather prevents good bike training. Too many other things to do. Sure it is mentioned about the pros here, but many of them are only here for the summer training. But the biggest thing is that Colorado has SOOO much else to do, why would anyone want to just ride and run on the roads. When I used to live in New Orleans, we had a LOT more races and a lot longer season. Plus the only thing to do was road ride and run. You could focus much more easily on triathlons. Since moving to Colorado in 92 I have drifted away from tris. First – the soonest race of the year is in June and the last in Sept., a 4 month season. And, let me say this, this first race (with open water swim) is in two weeks, and yesterday it SNOWED 4-5 inches here. As for distractions, well triathlon training pretty much keeps you one dimensional. Here we have hiking, mtn biking, trail running, climbing, and tons of other stuff to do. Now maybe some can focus on these daily workouts on the roads but why miss all that is offered for something so myopic as just triathlons. So don’t move here unless you want to brach out into other endeavors, else you’d be just as well (better) to move to the midwest, which seems to have a much greater abundance of events, and no distractions.

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Well, Andrew, Your reply was tongue in cheek, but I meant mine seriously. Whether or not there is an Olympic training center in the state or the coaches you mentioned is neither here nor there. Doesn’t affect most triathletes one way or the other. As for the people you mentioned, it does go to show that people can be successful triathletes here. I don’t dispute that. I will bet though that those people never really take advantage of what is available to do here in Colorado. I never thought myself about the dimensions of athletics too closely until I moved to Colorado and was exposed to all the opportunities here. And those opportunities are not in keeping with the type of training and focus that most RSTer are involved with. Pretty hard to get that type of training in when you are a week in the woods in the San Juan mtns, or climbing 14ers, or mtn biking the Colorado trail, or skiing, snowboarding, kayaking. They don’t have those things to do in many places, or at least not as accessible. I know for a fact that I trained much more consistent when I lived in New Orleans without anything to do but run the roads and ride the roads. I know for a fact that many of my friends here also are committed to tritahlons and train very consistently. I also know that they do not paddle, ski, hike, climb, or even go into the mtns at all, winter or summer. To me that is missing out on some of the finer things in life that we have here. So as to the original inquiry about the best place to live for a triathlete, I would not recommend Colorado unless you are willing to not partake of that which makes Colorado so glorious to live. If you want to train hard, it would be better to live in a place without much else to do. Triathlon training leaves one very one dimensional here in Colorado. Ken Lakewood, CO

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I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

Tucson, Arizona….NO SNOW! Only 2 seasons…warm and hot! "But its a dry heat".Very little rain. Year round outdoor training. B.Oliver

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I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

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New Caledonia is the best place on this earth.   Great swimming, weather, cycling with awesome climbs and scenery. Ken

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I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks

UNless you have a trust fund, your job may dictate the locale. <G Seriously, I love the San Diego area and Penticton in BC. NorCal would be nice too but cooler than either. Tom

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New Caledonia is the best place on this earth.   Great swimming, weather, cycling with awesome climbs and scenery.

And until global warming catches up to it., malaria free.   Tom

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NorCal is nice, I certainly enjoyed growing up there, but if you want to ever by a house you have to take a huge bag of money with you. North San Diego Co. is the mecca, if those 20+ rainy days a year don’t bother you too much. Ggreg

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Northwest Illinois.  We have at least two weeks of nice weather for training/racing every year. — http://dschreiner.freeservers.com/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – NorCal is nice, I certainly enjoyed growing up there, but if you want to ever by a house you have to take a huge bag of money with you. North San Diego Co. is the mecca, if those 20+ rainy days a year don’t bother you too much. Ggreg I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

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I would go Vanuatu over New Caledonia just because of the old French scene, but then again I’d take Cairns over both of them. Same climate, less political trouble and you can get "cheap" airfares to the whole of the Oz tri scene. LW

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – New Caledonia is the best place on this earth.   Great swimming, weather, cycling with awesome climbs and scenery. Ken I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

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New Caledonia is the best place on this earth.   Great swimming, weather, cycling with awesome climbs and scenery. Ken

There are bits of South Africa that fit in there as well. Australia’s OK but a bit rubbish in terms of mountains (there aren’t any proper ones). France is pretty damn good as well. London sucks for all the above. Rob

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If you move to New York City you can work for a Street firm, work 70 hours a week, make over $1 million per annum before you’re thirty – buy all the equipment you’ve ever dreamed of and have no time or place to train – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I will soon be graduating from college, and have an opportunity to relocate. I was wondering what people thought was the best place to live for triathletes?  Better yet, where is the best place to live an active life style ?  I really like Northern California, but I wanted to hear other opinions.  Obviously, this won’t be my only criteria for moving but it is a big one.  Thanks JTH

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I would go Vanuatu over New Caledonia just because of the old French scene, but then again I’d take Cairns over both of them.

Cairns lost "it" when they allowed 747’s to land.  Ruined that place forever <sigh Tom

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Why is that? I’ve lived here 33 and a ‘bit’ years and apart from rampant development from "city" people who moved here because it was quiet it is still a great place if you know where to go. Lloyd

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I can tell you a best place NOT to live – Colorado. Not that many races, short season. Weather prevents good bike training. Too many other things to do. Sure it is mentioned about the pros here, but many of them are only here for the summer training. But the biggest thing is that Colorado has SOOO much else to do, why would anyone want to just ride and run on the roads. When I used to live in New Orleans, we had a LOT more races and a lot longer season. Plus the only thing to do was road ride and run. You could focus much more easily on triathlons. Since moving to Colorado in 92 I have drifted away from tris. First – the soonest race of the year is in June and the last in Sept., a 4 month season. And, let me say this, this first race (with open water swim) is in two weeks, and yesterday it SNOWED 4-5 inches here. As for distractions, well triathlon training pretty much keeps you one dimensional. Here we have hiking, mtn biking, trail running, climbing, and tons of other stuff to do. Now maybe some can focus on these daily workouts on the roads but why miss all that is offered for something so myopic as just triathlons. So don’t move here unless you want to brach out into other endeavors, else you’d be just as well (better) to move to the midwest, which seems to have a much greater abundance of events, and no distractions.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see how easy workouts would refuel glycogen stores either.  If you deplete your glycogen stores (in liver or muscles) your body will try to replace them as quick as possible, whether you sat drinking beer in a bar or ran a couple of miles.  You will of course need a supply of glucose in the blood for this to happen.  If you don’t eat any carbohydrate, your body will either utilize fat stores or protein, depending on the level of fat in your body, to create the glucose.  It will be slower and less efficient than eating a bagel with cream cheese, but will still happen.  Actually, I wonder what the carbohydrate:protein ratio of Samuel Adams is? Regards, Dave

I think the issue is faster recovery (glycogen restoration and muscle repair).  Active recovery appears to accelerate recovery by increasing blood flow to the muscles thus increasing the inflow of nutrients.  The key to active recovery being usefull is that it is actually recovery and not a further stressor therefore it is important that there is fuel in the system that can be converted to glycogen. For some interesting reading on the topic of recovery see: Brunner, R. and B. Tabachnik (1990) "Soviet training and recovery methods." Sport Focus Publishing. Farber, H.W. et al., (1991) "The endurance triathlon.  Metabolic changes after each event and during recovery." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 23 (8). 959-956.

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Thanks for the references.  I guess it all depends on how you define "easy workout." Cheers, Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I don’t see how easy workouts would refuel glycogen stores either.  If you deplete your glycogen stores (in liver or muscles) your body will try to replace them as quick as possible, whether you sat drinking beer in a bar or ran a couple of miles.  You will of course need a supply of glucose in the blood for this to happen.  If you don’t eat any carbohydrate, your body will either utilize fat stores or protein, depending on the level of fat in your body, to create the glucose.  It will be slower and less efficient than eating a bagel with cream cheese, but will still happen.  Actually, I wonder what the carbohydrate:protein ratio of Samuel Adams is? Regards, Dave I think the issue is faster recovery (glycogen restoration and muscle repair).  Active recovery appears to accelerate recovery by increasing blood flow to the muscles thus increasing the inflow of nutrients.  The key to active recovery being usefull is that it is actually recovery and not a further stressor therefore it is important that there is fuel in the system that can be converted to glycogen. For some interesting reading on the topic of recovery see: Brunner, R. and B. Tabachnik (1990) "Soviet training and recovery methods." Sport Focus Publishing. Farber, H.W. et al., (1991) "The endurance triathlon.  Metabolic changes after each event and during recovery." Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise 23 (8). 959-956.

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BTW, the rest of the equation <according to an article I read last month is that if you eat properly that evening, your glycogen stores are fully replenished – independent of whether you ingested something in the optimum period.

Hey Mike, You wouldn’t happen to have a cite for that article would you?  I’d like to take a look.  Much of the research that I was discussing is from Ed Burke. Their focus was less on glycogen stores and more on muscle damage.  Their findings were ingesting the proper ratio of CHO and protein during the optimal period results in less muscle damage (that’s a bit of an oversimplification).  He focuses on cyclists, but it is also highly relevant to tri-geeks who sometimes do hard workouts on back to back days.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – BTW, the rest of the equation <according to an article I read last month is that if you eat properly that evening, your glycogen stores are fully replenished – independent of whether you ingested something in the optimum period. Hey Mike, You wouldn’t happen to have a cite for that article would you?  I’d like to take a look.  Much of the research that I was discussing is from Ed Burke. Their focus was less on glycogen stores and more on muscle damage.  Their findings were ingesting the proper ratio of CHO and protein during the optimal period results in less muscle damage (that’s a bit of an oversimplification).  He focuses on cyclists, but it is also highly relevant to tri-geeks who sometimes do hard workouts on back to back days.

I knew you’d ask. <g It was in August’s "Running Journal" and written by Nancy Clark. I just checked their web site and the article is in their "Tips" section: http://www.runningnetwork.com/db_rng/TIPS.html 2000-08-16: Recovery from Hard Exercise, Part 1: How to Rapidly Refuel                       By Nancy Clark, MS, RD Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Operating HO Scale Traffic Lights http://www.catalog.com/webrun/ipe

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Do you think that we could pay someone to hack his account again and make him go away forever?     Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – OK, so I’m relatively new to running and to this newsgroup, but I have one burning question to ask here: who is this "macelroy" and will he go away if we ignore him?  ;-) good day, all, Cam I’ll answer the second question – No!! The reason I say ‘no’ is because there are still too many respondants to him and he has a supporter(s) in the group as well. As long as you feed the troll; he owns you.

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Hi Marie, I red something about this in an article of Frank Horwill about the twelf essentials about marathon success: http://www.serpentine.org.uk/advice/coach/fh54.asp The points 7 and 8 are about low/high glycemic carbohydrates and why one want to eat high glycemic carbohydrates immediately after training.Also there are some hints which food has low/high glycemic carbohydrates. Hope this helps. Cheers, Rudiger – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Great info!  Just what I’m looking for.  Can you give me some good suggestions as what to eat after long runs?  And what do you consider a long run (how many miles.) Thanks, Marie   It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly. Wow, I am impressed, you are almost right.  Recent research has indicated that the optimal time for for glycogen refueling is in the 30 minutes following exercise.  After the first 30 minutes gylcogen refueling is still enhanced but declines until about 2hrs post-exercise when it returns to normal.  The research has indicated that the best results come from ingesting easily broken down foods with mostly high glycemic index CHO and some protein (in a CHO to protein ration of 4 to 1).

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  You may be impressed but I’m not. I was well aware of this effect more than 20 years ago before it was ever scientifically investigated. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly. Wow, I am impressed, you are almost right.  Recent research has indicated that the optimal time for for glycogen refueling is in the 30 minutes following exercise.  After the first 30 minutes gylcogen refueling is still enhanced but declines until about 2hrs post-exercise when it returns to normal.  The research has indicated that the best results come from ingesting easily broken down foods with mostly high glycemic index CHO and some protein (in a CHO to protein ration of 4 to 1).

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 You may be impressed but I’m not. I was well aware of this effect more than 20 years ago before it was ever scientifically investigated.

You misread what I said.  I am impressed that you were that close to being correct about something.  Although to your credit, this time around I have noticed that you are closer to being correct about a few other things as well.  I am thinking that perhaps in your time away from the group you got your hands on some decent training material.  Your obvious lack of intelligence shows in your lack of understanding of many elemental physiological issues, but you are at least making an attempt.

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I don’t see how easy workouts would refuel glycogen stores either.  If you deplete your glycogen stores (in liver or muscles) your body will try to replace them as quick as possible, whether you sat drinking beer in a bar or ran a couple of miles.  You will of course need a supply of glucose in the blood for this to happen.  If you don’t eat any carbohydrate, your body will either utilize fat stores or protein, depending on the level of fat in your body, to create the glucose.  It will be slower and less efficient than eating a bagel with cream cheese, but will still happen.  Actually, I wonder what the carbohydrate:protein ratio of Samuel Adams is? Regards, Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Hard workouts deplete glycogen stores, easy workouts refuel them. Please explain the mechanism as to how easy workouts refuel glycogen stores. I always thought that ingesting glycogen refuels glycogen stores.  It is my understanding that easy workouts assist in converting ingested fuel into forms usable to the muscles. BTW, I have trained with athletes that have real times much faster than your fake times and none of them train like to say you train.

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Wrong. You cannot run fast by scientific data. You can read all the science literature you want and it will not get you there. You run fast by training properly. You learn by first hand experience. You try to use as many different training systems as you can and then you begin to focus down on the ones that gave you the best results and then try to improve on them. Sometimes that’s risky. In the past, I’ve made changes that have completely screwed me over in races but that’s how you learn. I’d rather have done it that way and refined my techniques than have just trained one way and never learned what’s good and what’s bad. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  You may be impressed but I’m not. I was well aware of this effect more than 20 years ago before it was ever scientifically investigated. You misread what I said.  I am impressed that you were that close to being correct about something.  Although to your credit, this time around I have noticed that you are closer to being correct about a few other things as well.  I am thinking that perhaps in your time away from the group you got your hands on some decent training material.  Your obvious lack of intelligence shows in your lack of understanding of many elemental physiological issues, but you are at least making an attempt.

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Wrong. You cannot run fast by scientific data.

You can’t prove that you run much less run fast.  I learned how to maximize my running potential by training with world class athletes (in the real world not your fantasy world) and by reading scientific journals to understand the mechanisms behind training principles.  From this I experimented on what works for me and what does not.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly. Wow, I am impressed, you are almost right.  Recent research has indicated that the optimal time for for glycogen refueling is in the 30 minutes following exercise.  After the first 30 minutes gylcogen refueling is still enhanced but declines until about 2hrs post-exercise when it returns to normal.  The research has indicated that the best results come from ingesting easily broken down foods with mostly high glycemic index CHO and some protein (in a CHO to protein ration of 4 to 1).

BTW, the rest of the equation <according to an article I read last month is that if you eat properly that evening, your glycogen stores are fully replenished – independent of whether you ingested something in the optimum period. The immediate refueling is most critical if you are doing multiple workouts in one day, or something like a soccer tournament with multiple games. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 17:13:38

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OK, so I’m relatively new to running and to this newsgroup, but I have one burning question to ask here: who is this "macelroy" and will he go away if we ignore him?  ;-) good day, all, Cam ===

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   I read an article about it once though I can’t be one hundred percent sure that it is correct but it makes some sense. All I know is that everyone says I am right about it and that it works and that they notice the difference. Though it may be more than just what that article said.    It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly. Apparently, after light running which doesn’t deplete your system much, Glycogen still refuels at that significantly higher rate and so it speeds up the recovery process. You are supposed to eat and drink something some time soon after the run for this to work the best. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –  Hard workouts deplete glycogen stores, easy workouts refuel them. Please explain the mechanism as to how easy workouts refuel glycogen stores. I always thought that ingesting glycogen refuels glycogen stores.  It is my understanding that easy workouts assist in converting ingested fuel into forms usable to the muscles. BTW, I have trained with athletes that have real times much faster than your fake times and none of them train like to say you train.

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  It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly.

Wow, I am impressed, you are almost right.  Recent research has indicated that the optimal time for for glycogen refueling is in the 30 minutes following exercise.  After the first 30 minutes gylcogen refueling is still enhanced but declines until about 2hrs post-exercise when it returns to normal.  The research has indicated that the best results come from ingesting easily broken down foods with mostly high glycemic index CHO and some protein (in a CHO to protein ration of 4 to 1).

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Great info!  Just what I’m looking for.  Can you give me some good suggestions as what to eat after long runs?  And what do you consider a long run (how many miles.) Thanks, Marie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –   It has to do with increasing the speed of which glycogen is reabsorbed into the muscles after the muscles have been depleted due to medium to hard workouts. Glycogen refueling occurs the most during the several hours right after a run and then drops off significantly. Wow, I am impressed, you are almost right.  Recent research has indicated that the optimal time for for glycogen refueling is in the 30 minutes following exercise.  After the first 30 minutes gylcogen refueling is still enhanced but declines until about 2hrs post-exercise when it returns to normal.  The research has indicated that the best results come from ingesting easily broken down foods with mostly high glycemic index CHO and some protein (in a CHO to protein ration of 4 to 1).

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Great info!  Just what I’m looking for.  Can you give me some good suggestions as what to eat after long runs?  And what do you consider a long run (how many miles.)

Hey marie, You would probably be surprised to find that a number of foods fall in the 4 to 1 ratio.  In the first 30 min after a long run you want to stick with carbohydrates that are have a high glycemic index (eg. potatoes, frozen yogurt, rice) and of course protein.  Endurox R4 is a drink that contains carbohydrates and proteins in this ratio.  There is nothing magic about R4, but it is convenient and if you like the taste it might be worth using. After the initial 30 min you want to stick with the same ratio, but with lower glycemic index carbs (eg. yogurt (not frozen), kiwifruit, lentils, peanuts) and protein.  Just keep in mind that it doesn’t have to be the exact ratio (for instance it can be a meal that contains 24g of carbs and 5g of protein).  As for what I consider a long run… I am an ultra endurance mountain biker so the races that I consider a lot of fun are ones that typically take between 12 and 24 hours.  As "cross training" I like to do trail running, typically between 30 and 50km with the occasional 50 miler. The point of that is that it doesn’t really matter what I consider a long run.  What is more important for you is what do you consider a long run.  I think that you should get in the habit of thinking about recovery after every run.  You should pay special attention after runs that are not at a high intensity, but of a long enough duration that you feel fairly tired when you are done.  That is what I would consider a long run. Good luck and happy training Jeremy

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  NO. NO. NO. Your half marathon race has depleted you. You now need to refuel. Normally, a race will deplete you more than just a hard workout. It most likely will take you 4 days to completely refuel from that half marathon. You cannot refuel your glycogen stores by doing nothing or doing very little. You must continue to do at least one hour runs to restore glycogen. You people just cannot get this through your heads. Hard workouts deplete glycogen stores, easy workouts refuel them. How do you know when you have refueled your stores. You know when your 10 mile runs come back to a medium pace from several days of struggling after a major depletion like after a race. A medium workout will deplete you as well but it only requires one easy workout to refuel. That’s the difference.   By what you are doing, the chances are that you will have worse results than what you expect. Marathons require enormous stores of muscle glycogen and you are probably going to have very little for the race. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I just ran a 1 hour and 25 minute

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Hi, Having done my first triathlon at the San Jose International earlier this summer, I am headed to the Half-Vineman this weekend. Thanks to all who contribute to this newsgroup for providing valuable advice. Hope to meet at least few of you at the race this Saturday. jay

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Hi, Having done my first triathlon at the San Jose International earlier this summer, I am headed to the Half-Vineman this weekend. Thanks to all who contribute to this newsgroup for providing valuable advice. Hope to meet at least few of you at the race this Saturday. jay

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Hi all you East bay folk!  I currently live in San Francisco but frequent the East Bay to visit friends.  I am looking for group rides during the week in Walnut Creek, Lafayette (sp) etc… If there are any group rides during the week I would be very interested.  Please let me know of anything, as I get tired of riding by myself.  I am currently trying to get ready for Ironman Canada.  thanks,   scott

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Check out the triathlon store "Forward Motion" in Danville. They have all sorts of group runs, bike rides, etc. Danville is right next to Walnut Creek. Tell me what happens, OK? I live and train in Mill Valley and focus on Ironman distance races. Keep me in mind sometime – I used to do long bike rides in East Bay – it was very hot and great for training for Hawaii later in the year. Morgan Territories Road near Clayton is a great place to ride. There used to be a group of triathletes in WC that used to ride together every weekend. GGTC member? Good luck. Michael Saal, MD

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There is a triathlon in Bermuda on September 29.  Has anyone done it and what did you think of it, including getting there and back. Steve

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: There is a triathlon in Bermuda on September 29.  Has anyone done it and : what did you think of it, including getting there and back. : : Steve I haven’t done this fall triathlon in Bermuda, but I have gone two years in a row to an early spring tri.  The island is beautiful, the race sights are beautiful, the people are warm and friendly and the races have been well directed (the spring one is directed by Patrick Hackenberg).  The TriFed travel agents have found good airfares, so I’d recommend it to anyone.  Just a caution that food costs are high on that island.

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Has anyone got an e-mail or snail mail address for the British Triathlon Association ? Thanks Robert Cox Wellington Tri Club

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Has anyone got an e-mail or snail mail address for the British Triathlon Association ? Thanks Robert Cox Wellington Tri Club

Here’s the snail mail address: BTA Headquaters PO Box 26 Ashby-de-la-Zouch Leicester LE65 2ZR I’m pretty sure they’re not net aware yet…give them time. Dave Cambridge Tri Club

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The BTA can be foumnd at British Triathlon Association Ltd. BTA Headquarters, Dover Leisure Centre, Townwall Street, Dover, Kent. CT16 1LN Tel : 01304 202565 Fax : 01304 214840 Pulled from the Southampton University Web Page http://www.soton.ac.uk/~triweb/bta.html Joel

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The BTA can be foumnd at British Triathlon Association Ltd. BTA Headquarters, Dover Leisure Centre, Townwall Street, Dover, Kent. CT16 1LN Tel : 01304 202565 Fax : 01304 214840 Pulled from the Southampton University Web Page http://www.soton.ac.uk/~triweb/bta.html Joel

The BTA has moved to: BTA Headquarters PO Box 26 Ashby-de-la-Zouch Leicestershire LE65 2ZR Tel: 01530 414234 Fax: 01530 560279 Stuart Bailey Crystal Palace Triathletes

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If your eyes are as bad as mine, wear your contacts for the entire race.  I swim and race in contacts (soft extended wear) all the time.  I’ve never had a problem in the swim.  Over the years (12), I’ve lost two contacts during bike rides when my eyes dry out and the lens flys away. I think you’ll find that when trying to spot your way around an open water course and trying to spot the proper exit point on shore that you will need your best eyesight. Good luck! Charlie "trijunky" Sursa

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I have been in about 25 triathlons and have worn my contacts in all of them.  I also wear my contacts when I do my swim sessions. The water.sweat and road dirt are hard on the contacts but I never lost one. I have worn my contacts in races that were rained on and still had no trouble (with the contacts anyhow). My only advice is expect to wear out or damage the contacts more often.  Don’t let a little myopia hold you back from entiring this great sport!!! Jim in Janesville

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I wear Accuvue lenses to train and race.  I wear them under goggles and under the bike/run shades.  As an M.D. I have one big suggestion.  The most common problem is water in the goggles – which contaminates the lens in question.  I toss the lens if the contamination is from lake water – which means after every freshwater tri.  I will re-sterilize the lens immediately otherwise.  The risk is SERIOUS corneal infection. The manufacturer and the FDA would advise you to toss the lens with any contamination –  even pool water.  I don’t disagree, I’m just hypocritical. Byron J. Byron Walthall, Jr. Charlotte, NC, USA

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I too wear Acuvue disposables – 14 day turnaround, taking them out each night.  I have had no trouble with them at all during triathlons.  I wear them throughout the race.  I was so pleased with them I managed to get a year’s supply FREE as a sponsorship deal with Johnson & Johnson here in the UK. I can’t recommend them enough – best of luck with your first race newbie! — Gordon Riley, Cambridge, England Voice 01223 290473 Fax   01223 290138

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Hi; I’m a newbie (as will become apparent shortly) currently in training for my first triathlon. I wear contacts and I’m wondering what do triatheletes who wear contacts do at transistions during competition?

I’ve worn soft contacts for the entire race in 42 triathlons.  I’ve had the goggles either partially fill with water or have had them knocked off a couple of times, but never came close to losing a lens.  In my first year of racing, I once pulled tight fitting (suction-type) goggles off too quickly and the suction shifted both lens off center.  Since then, I’ve made it a habit to pull the goggles off slowly and to close my eyes when I do it. I had once thought about wearing corrective goggles swimming and prescription sunglasses for the bike and run.  I decided not to because I thought it would appear too goofy wearing the goggles on land immediately before and after the swim, and also my sunglasses options would be limited. Good luck!  It’s a great sport! The Herminator

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Hi; I’m a newbie (as will become apparent shortly) currently in training for my first triathlon. I wear contacts and I’m wondering what do triatheletes who wear contacts do at transistions during competition? Do they wear their lenses under their swim goggles and hope that the goggles don’t spring a leak or they get knocked off during the swim and lose their contacts?  Or do they go without contacts in the swim (assumming they have enough vision to at least make out the marker buoys) and then put contacts in during the transition to the bike? (must do wonders for the transition times). Or do they (as I’m contemplating) go without contacts during the swim and switch to prescription race shields/sunglasses for the bike and run?   Any ideas? Thanks BigM

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: training for my first triathlon. I wear contacts and I’m wondering what : do triatheletes who wear contacts do at transistions during : competition? Do they wear their lenses under their swim goggles and Personally, I just wear them the whole race.  If your goggles are leaking, you should probably find new goggles.  However, they do get kicked off.  You’ll be amazed, though, at how strong the suction is under water.  I’ve had goggles kicked off a couple of times with no problems.   Just get some cheapo disposable contacts for racing from your doctor.   That way, if you lose them it’s only $5 down the drain.  Plus, you can keep a spare set in transition just in case! Jason   O                                    Jason Mayfield  `/     (*)/  (*)    ’—     __’     COLNAGO, because steel is REAL! 162 Days Until Ironman Canada 1996!

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I have Accuvue disposable contacts from Johnson & Johnson and wear them six days a week.  I swim with them, run with them, bike with them, and even sleep with them (they are designed for this).  Even playing water polo without goggles doesn’t really present a major problem, for the contacts adhear to my eyes extremely well.  The only concern is that without protective eyewear, the contacts can dry out during a bike ride.  So I have a pair of shades with a replacement clear lense for cloudy days. For triathlons, I keep my regular glasses in the transition area just in case I should happen to lose one during the swim. Cameron

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    I had the same problem when I started to do triathlons.  At first, I would just not wear contacts in the swim and just hope that there were enough people close by to swim with so I wouldn’t miss a marker.  But then I hated wearing my regualar glasses or perscription sunglasses for the rest of the race.  I now race with contacts.  Just before the race I put the goggles on extra tight and go for it.  There is a fear of getting them knocked off and loosing a contact, so I keep a backup pair of glasses in the transition area just in case.  Every so often I will train in the pool with contacts, just to get over the fear of water getting in and washing them out.  Just make sure that your goggles don’t have a leak in them before you start.  Also, try practicing what you would do if your goggles do get knocked off during a race.  Hopefully your contacts are still on and you can put your goggles back on while treading water.     My goggles did get partially knocked off during one race and I was able to replace them with out loosing a contact.  So far, I have done about 15 races and not lost a contact.  Others I know have been racing for much longer than that and have never reported any problems with their contacts falling out.  Just keep them goggles tight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I wear contacts and I’m wondering what do triatheletes who wear contacts do at transistions during competition? Do they wear their lenses under their swim goggles and hope that the goggles don’t spring a leak or they get knocked off during the swim and lose their contacts?  Or do they go without contacts in the swim (assumming they have enough vision to at least make out the marker buoys) and then put contacts in during the transition to the bike? (must do wonders for the transition times). Or do they (as I’m contemplating) go without contacts during the swim and switch to prescription race shields/sunglasses for the bike and run?  

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What does R.S.T think of this kind of Triathlon.  Do many of you own Rollerblades? Jamie Sarkisian Sark Products 206 Jerico Hill Road Waltham MA 02154 617-647-9777

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I think its always fun to do something different Bruce Platt

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What does R.S.T think of this kind of Triathlon.  Do many of you own Rollerblades?

I think Tri-Maryland had a rollerblade/bike/run event in Columbia, MD this past fall. I remember seeing it in one of their flyers last spring, but didn’t follow up to see if it actually happened. My legs ache just thinking about it… Jordan

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Drafting: it happens because a lot of unprincipled people will take advantage wherever there is lack of enforcement.  I say, either allow drafting or enforce rules strenuously.  How to enforce?  With competitor numbers that are more conspicuous on the bicycle, with numerous checkpoints, roving monitors, and videotape. Those of us who are in the race can make it as unpleasant as possible for the drafters.  As they go by, give ‘em a piece of your mind.  Shame makes people think twice the next time out.  If you can spot a number, and remember it, report it. It is true, as Tricia Richter pointed out, that sometimes you get stuck in a pseudo-drafting position; get out of it as soon as possible.  It’s rare that you’re boxed in so badly you cannot extract yourself within a minute or so.  But when you see a paceline of wheels inches apart going up the road for minutes at a time, it’s pretty obvious that cheating is going on. Mark Heinicke

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I’ve raced bikes collegiate and USCF.  That’s where you draft.  Been there, done that.  Now I race triathlons.  This is where you *don’t* draft.  I like it that way. You know, with all the fussing and fuming about the issue here on RST, can anyone tell me who IS doing all the drafting?  I don’t know anyone who thinks drafting is a good idea in triathlon, and yet it seems to be happening all over the place.  I still wonder, how much of it is blatant cheating, and how much is simply getting stuck behind another rider(s) and unable to get around them due to traffic, etc.?  Who HASN’T been stuck in a situation like that? I guess this post really doesn’t have a point.  I just find it sad that it has to be such a bone of contention and causes such strife.  I guess it’s easier for me not to get upset about the drafting issue because I’ll never be good enough to be *really* competitive and have my placings matter.  It seems that an awful lot of us age-groupers are in the same position; it’s great and exciting to place well in a race, but what really matters is your own personal bests in triathlon.   Those of us who conscientiously avoid drafting know that our final time is 100% the result of our own effort and work.  In a way, I feel sorry for the people who purposely draft, because they just don’t "get it".  For them, beating the other guy is the most important thing, and it’s worth cheating to do it.  Those of us who "get it" know that triathlon is more about personal achievement and pushing your own limits.  It’s a sport of honesty and self-exploration—How far can I go?  How hard can I push myself?  Have I trained enough?  Can I go a little faster? It *should* be the same for the Elites and Pros, it should be a very individual effort for everyone.  But because placings *do* matter at that level, it’s obviously a very important issue.  I wonder, if an independent poll were conducted amongst those athletes, how many of *them* would condone drafting?  Who the heck (besides the ITU) really *wants* to legalize drafting? Maybe I’m the one who just doesn’t "get it"! A card-carrying member of TAD (Triathletes Against Drafting)  (ok, so give me a card and I’ll carry it!) Tricia — "’Be a terrific innovation if you could get your mind to stretch a little further than the next wise crack." "Y’know, I tried that once, but it didn’t snap back into place." —Katharine Hepburn & Eve Arden in "Stage Door" (1937)    

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