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Goal : Sand Marathon. Race proper starts next Sunday 11 April! I have bib number 185, you can follow the race at www.darbaroud.com and on various TV channels (see site for details). Latest estimate of backpack weight is 7.5 kilos which is fine (strewth). Very light week due to tapering, work trips and a chesty cough AGAIN. This coming week will be light too, with a couple of short runs in the land around Ouarzazat, just to get the feel. Mon   0:55   12k   7mi    Riverside trails Tue   REST Wed   0:42    9k   6mi    15′ up, lines, drills, 9′ down                           12 x 200m/100m in 39"/40" Thu   0:50   10k   6mi    Easy on grass in park Fri-Sun REST              Wanted to do 1h30m Sunday but cough put me off                           Watched Paris marathon on TV instead. It’s                           soooooo much easier      2:20   31k   20mi

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This … Had a truly awful race today.  Felt rubbish from about 0.5 miles right up to 13.1.  It also happened to be the windiest race I’ve ever done.  These things combined meant I finished in a very disappointing

…somehow doesn’t fit right with this… 1:17:39.  I finshed 4th

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M-Off T-30 Elliptical W-30 Elliptical R-4 mile ez run 8:03 F-3 mile ez run 7:55 S-3 miles ez run 8:15 s-40 min elliptical started to run again.  shin feels good.  i’ve got about 3-4 weeks until i’m going to feel fit again. planned races: 2-3 20Ks in chicago and milwaukee, 1 10K, and chicago marathon. goal: break 37:30 at 10K, break 2:57 at chicago.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Any more suggestions? My favorite movies are stuff like Jacob’s Ladder,  Fire Walk With Me, The Virgin Suicides, The Ninth Configuration, Vanilla Sky, Pi,…. etc. Weird stuff. I don’t watch many movies, but here are a few I liked: Lost In Translation, Ghost World, Georgia, Requiem For a Dream, Sunshine State, Dead Man, Magnolia, Boogie Nights.  Maybe not completely to your taste, but if you’re watching movies 24/7 it might be fun to try something different. Hi Karen, yeah I’ve seen Boogie Nights quite a few times. It’s an instant classic; it had that feel right away for me. I have seen a few others you mentioned, but not all – I will surely check them out! If you have not seen Donnie Darko, you might like it. It’s my absolute favorite of the past several years.

A couple of Newer releases: Adaptation and Matchstick Men. Old school : Blue Velvet, Repo Man, Diva, Betty Blue – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Goals: None at the moment. Suggestions welcome Mon: Rest. Tue: Rest Wed: Rest, played badminton. Thurs: 8 miles Fri: rest Sat: 2 mile w/up, 10K race, 1 1/2 mile w/down Sun: Rest Total: 17.5 miles — Colm

: Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training : week and goals.

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Had a truly awful race today.  Felt rubbish from about 0.5 miles right up to 13.1.  It also happened to be the windiest race I’ve ever done.  These things combined meant I finished in a very disappointing 1:17:39.  I finshed 4th, but I should have been 2nd, easily. Monday: REST Tuesday: pm) 5.75 miles in total, 4 x 1.15km w/2min rec – medium/hard Wednesday: pm) 7.3 miles, 3 @ 5:30/mile pace – easy/medium-hard Thursday: pm) 5.25 miles, fartlek – hard Friday: pm) 6.2 miles, 2 @ 5:22/mile pace  - easy/medium-hard/easy Saturday: REST Sunday: pm) 13.1 miles, White Horse 1/2M, 4th in 1:17:39 Total run: 38 miles — Brian Wakem

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tonight, for the paris marathon which i should run tomorrow morning, i feel in very good shape, with only the wind already blowing above paris as my potential foe. i expect to make it in about 2h58′ results tomorrow!

Very best of luck to you. Remember to draft as much as possible in the early stages. When you feel like speeding up, don’t! Hold pace until 35k, then reward yourself with strong finish… you’ll do great. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

hey David, hope you’re hanging in there all right. i guess this past week has been all "mental" training for you, right? my week: s-:45 swim, DNR m-:40 fartlek run with strides near end t-:40 cycle, DNR w-:40 tempo run t-DNR, small workout to build core strength f-DNR, total rest s-:40 cycle, DNR s-will do about a :45 swim, no run goals: very soon… sign up for a couple of races in May, one triathlon, and one road race. actually design a bit of a training schedule to work with up til the races. i guess that i’ve just become so good about involving all three triathlon sports into my daily life that i don’t worry much about missing workouts, and i know that a decent base is there…. i just need to ramp up in distance a bit, and then i’m set for races. need some structure to the run and swim workouts, at the very least. hills, trackwork… and distance work in the swim. stay loose and fit and healthy… work on the tight calves and the slightly cramping hamstrings. the hams aren’t bad but just a twinge now and then reminds me that i must be diligent about stretching well, and often. get a new pair of shoes very soon, so i can loosen them up a bit before my races in May. stick to my current promise to myself to eat better, avoiding so many sweets. i figure a couple of chocolate bars or a few cookies a week are ok, but i was going overboard on comfort foods on a constant basis for far too long (since Christmas). s’all for now… g’day, folks. Cam

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Hello all r.r. Sun- 5 miles run walk and dogs kink back. mon-  off tue-  off wen-  light gardens to farm yard clean up. and dogs. thur-  gardens  heavy. fri- gardens   heavy sat-   finish gardens    back still sore some.     total  for  week   is  say  10 miles about. back thru wilderness off roads  and fields.  spring might be here.   important  is garden soil seeds have seeds. hole lot of black walnuts, found after snow melt. rain wash cleaned. and a bag of chicken eggs.  dirty:) hopfull get runnng shoes  from aunt  maybe.  used?  or not. the ones got our "soiled!"   Next please……

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. hey David, hope you’re hanging in there all right. i guess this past week has been all "mental" training for you, right?

It seems that David is leaning towards trolling during his time off. I guess we can allow that from him. Phil M. — "Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be everlasting." -fortune cookie

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@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hello all r.r. Sun- 5 miles run walk and dogs kink back. mon-  off tue-  off wen-  light gardens to farm yard clean up. and dogs. thur-  gardens  heavy. fri- gardens   heavy sat-   finish gardens    back still sore some.     total  for  week   is  say  10 miles about. back thru wilderness off roads  and fields.  spring might be here.   important  is garden soil seeds have seeds. hole lot of black walnuts, found after snow melt. rain wash cleaned. and a bag of chicken eggs.  dirty:) hopfull get runnng shoes  from aunt  maybe.  used?  or not. the ones got our "soiled!"   Next please……

The heavy gardens will certainly put a kink in your back. Light gardens and heavy gardens is equivalent to how many miles of running? I was thinking of adding light lawn mowing – mowing the lawn using the tractor, heavy lawn mowing – using the push mower, and extreme mowing putting the tractor in park with the brake on and hooking myself up to a yoke to pull it around the lawn. Phil M. — "Pain is temporary: the success it brings can be everlasting." -fortune cookie

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It seems that David is leaning towards trolling during his time off. I guess we can allow that from him.

lol cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Thanks for the laughs David!  Hope your feeling better soon.

Thank you for the training schedule revisions. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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hey David, hope you’re hanging in there all right. i guess this past week has been all "mental" training for you, right?

Yeah, it’s really annoying. I’m dying to run. I am already signed up for two races this coming weekend…. a 10 miler on Friday and a 5k the next day. grrr. I’m still delusional, thinking I might try one or both. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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heh heh good one, david. i’m sure *someone* must be proud of you now. good luck with the recovery and take it easy.

Thanks a lot! I’m going to be having problems with the "taking it easy" part pretty soon.  I can only watch so many movies. I saw "The Bourne Identity" the other day… it was reasonably good. I also watched and enjoyed "Run Lola Run" quite a bit…. then watched the entire Beatles Anthology again, and one of my favorites, "Donnie Darko", for the  453464th time. Any more suggestions? My favorite movies are stuff like Jacob’s Ladder,  Fire Walk With Me, The Virgin Suicides, The Ninth Configuration, Vanilla Sky, Pi,…. etc. Weird stuff. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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goals: continue to beat myself up every weekend and recover during the week, thereby getting stronger  Upcoming races: 5K April 17; 5K May 1; Chicago Marathon Oct 10. M: 6mi (9:30) treadmill + 3mi elliptical trainer T: 8mi (9:11), rt calf very tight W: 4.75mi incl 1×1200/800/400/200 (half the scheduled track workout). Hit all the goal times, but rt calf too tight and sore to run on after 1 set. R: 5.25mi (9:17) + 3.5mi et + 400m swim F: 6.5mi (8:40) incl 10 x strides Sa: 9.7mi incl 5K race (20:55) – PR by 40sec, 1st F masters, 4th F OA, first sub-21 5K, first sub-6:30 mile, 72.25% AG, yeehaw Su: 16mi or so (8:56) in the hills 45 miles north of here total: 56.7 miles I cut a few miles this week in order to rest a very tight/sore calf. Next week there are no races, just lots of easy running. Good week all Karen

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Any more suggestions? My favorite movies are stuff like Jacob’s Ladder,  Fire Walk With Me, The Virgin Suicides, The Ninth Configuration, Vanilla Sky, Pi,…. etc. Weird stuff.

I don’t watch many movies, but here are a few I liked: Lost In Translation, Ghost World, Georgia, Requiem For a Dream, Sunshine State, Dead Man, Magnolia, Boogie Nights.  Maybe not completely to your taste, but if you’re watching movies 24/7 it might be fun to try something different. Karen

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Sa: 9.7mi incl 5K race (20:55) – PR by 40sec, 1st F masters, 4th F OA, first sub-21 5K, first sub-6:30 mile, 72.25% AG, yeehaw

This is the type of thing that happens when you run solidly and consistently, month after month, like you have been. Your average mileage has been excellent for quite some time, and I know the PR’s will keep coming for a while. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Any more suggestions? My favorite movies are stuff like Jacob’s Ladder,  Fire Walk With Me, The Virgin Suicides, The Ninth Configuration, Vanilla Sky, Pi,…. etc. Weird stuff. I don’t watch many movies, but here are a few I liked: Lost In Translation, Ghost World, Georgia, Requiem For a Dream, Sunshine State, Dead Man, Magnolia, Boogie Nights.  Maybe not completely to your taste, but if you’re watching movies 24/7 it might be fun to try something different.

Hi Karen, yeah I’ve seen Boogie Nights quite a few times. It’s an instant classic; it had that feel right away for me. I have seen a few others you mentioned, but not all – I will surely check them out! If you have not seen Donnie Darko, you might like it. It’s my absolute favorite of the past several years. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Mac is proud.  You show promise, kid. Now, cough up a hairball and get back out there! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – M – day after surgery… did 5×100 sit-ups and light sprints       (16×100m in 11 – 12 seconds, 30 sec recovery) while      waiting to leave hospital. Asked doctors how much the       appendix weighed, and what the fat content was.      stitches and ate them as only meal of the day – worried      about fat content. Need to start training more seriously. W – 40×400m in :55 – :60. Damn surgical incision broke        open on the 13th rep – I realized the blood loss will make        me a little lighter…. possible fat loss too; some white stuff        was also oozing out. Could be good. Dinner: multivitamin        and water. Felt amatuer after… the real elites don’t need that.        After dinner, cooled down with easy 10 miles. 4:50 pace. T – felt good, broke 5k WR while warning up, accidentally. Did       5k in 12:16. Entered 5k later on that day but screwed up, only       managing a 12:53… took everything I had to break 13:00.       Back to the drawing board… I feel like a fat jogger. No dinner. F – punished myself for amateurish 5k by running 4 hours. Could       only manage 50 miles, maybe a little more. Maybe I need to       lose more fat…? S – removed hair, ears, nose, fingers, sex organs, and most of       upper-body skin to rid myslf of excess weight/fat. None of       that is needed for running. Boiled the fat out of it all and ate       it. Of course, I purged afterwards. No use keeping food of       any kind in the belly after the vitamins/protein has been removed       from the digestion process. Ran 4×10 miles (44:00 – 46:00) with       2 minute recovery. (LT workout). S – rest day…. 3 hours standing on exercise bike. Tension on max.      Evening: easy 15 miles (4:40). ***(okay, the truth is that I did nothing all week…. but I plan on gingerly hitting the recumbant bike sometime late this week if possible). cheers,

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals. cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.

M – day after surgery… did 5×100 sit-ups and light sprints       (16×100m in 11 – 12 seconds, 30 sec recovery) while      waiting to leave hospital. Asked doctors how much the       appendix weighed, and what the fat content was.      stitches and ate them as only meal of the day – worried      about fat content. Need to start training more seriously. W – 40×400m in :55 – :60. Damn surgical incision broke        open on the 13th rep – I realized the blood loss will make        me a little lighter…. possible fat loss too; some white stuff        was also oozing out. Could be good. Dinner: multivitamin        and water. Felt amatuer after… the real elites don’t need that.        After dinner, cooled down with easy 10 miles. 4:50 pace. T – felt good, broke 5k WR while warning up, accidentally. Did       5k in 12:16. Entered 5k later on that day but screwed up, only       managing a 12:53… took everything I had to break 13:00.       Back to the drawing board… I feel like a fat jogger. No dinner. F – punished myself for amateurish 5k by running 4 hours. Could       only manage 50 miles, maybe a little more. Maybe I need to       lose more fat…? S – removed hair, ears, nose, fingers, sex organs, and most of       upper-body skin to rid myslf of excess weight/fat. None of       that is needed for running. Boiled the fat out of it all and ate       it. Of course, I purged afterwards. No use keeping food of       any kind in the belly after the vitamins/protein has been removed       from the digestion process. Ran 4×10 miles (44:00 – 46:00) with       2 minute recovery. (LT workout). S – rest day…. 3 hours standing on exercise bike. Tension on max.      Evening: easy 15 miles (4:40). ***(okay, the truth is that I did nothing all week…. but I plan on gingerly hitting the recumbant bike sometime late this week if possible). cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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M – day after surgery… did 5×100 sit-ups and light sprints

…… ***(okay, the truth is that I did nothing all week…. but I plan on gingerly hitting the recumbant bike sometime late this week if possible).

…… heh heh good one, david. i’m sure *someone* must be proud of you now. good luck with the recovery and take it easy. regards jobs

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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training week and goals.<

this week was the last training week before my sunday 4/4/4 marathon. it was pretty light for tapering purposes, only two outings: – monday march 29 : an easy aerobic outing to recover from the previous week which had still 2 speed sessions. thursday april 1 : the last speed session with : warming up : – 4 km = 17:23 1 km marathon pace run – 1 km = 4:05 2 km half-marathon pace run – 1 km = 3:53 – 1 km = 3:52 1 km marathonpace run -1 km = 4:07 recovery : – 3.5 km = 15:23 tonight, for the paris marathon which i should run tomorrow morning, i feel in very good shape, with only the wind already blowing above paris as my potential foe. i expect to make it in about 2h58′ results tomorrow! marko more about my training with my online diary : http://www.42-195.org – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – cheers, — David (in Hamilton, ON) www.allfalldown.org "The most insecure people are the ones you see, putting other people down constantly."

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David, I inserted comments to hopefully help you with your training. M – day after surgery… did 5×100 sit-ups and light sprints       (16×100m in 11 – 12 seconds, 30 sec recovery) while      waiting to leave hospital. Asked doctors how much the       appendix weighed, and what the fat content was.

Have the doctors ever received that line of questioning before?      stitches and ate them as only meal of the day – worried      about fat content. Need to start training more seriously.

You could carry 10lb weights in each hand while you run. W – 40×400m in :55 – :60. Damn surgical incision broke        open on the 13th rep

I hate it when that happens!    - I realized the blood loss will make        me a little lighter…. possible fat loss too; some white stuff        was also oozing out. Could be good. Dinner: multivitamin        and water.

What was the fat content of that multivitamin?  Was it a flintstones chewable?        Felt amatuer after… the real elites don’t need that.        After dinner, cooled down with easy 10 miles. 4:50 pace.

Well yeah, a 4:50 pace?  That is amatuer! T – felt good, broke 5k WR while warning up, accidentally. Did       5k in 12:16. Entered 5k later on that day but screwed up, only       managing a 12:53… took everything I had to break 13:00.

Sad, again, amatuer.       Back to the drawing board… I feel like a fat jogger. No dinner.

Good!  Embrace your hunger! F – punished myself for amateurish 5k by running 4 hours. Could       only manage 50 miles, maybe a little more. Maybe I need to       lose more fat…?

Carry the 10lb weights for the first 2 hours then drop them for the last 2 hours while doing 100 – 1 minute sprints for the last 2 hours with 12 seconds of rest (about a 4:40 pace) in between.  That should help. S – removed hair, ears, nose, fingers, sex organs, and most of       upper-body skin to rid myslf of excess weight/fat.

Now your getting the idea!       None of       that is needed for running. Boiled the fat out of it all and ate       it. Of course, I purged afterwards. No use keeping food of       any kind in the belly after the vitamins/protein has been removed       from the digestion process. Ran 4×10 miles (44:00 – 46:00) with       2 minute recovery. (LT workout).

When you where running your 4×10’s, did people think you looked like Kevin Bacon’s character in the movie Hollow Man? Also, instead of a 2 minute recovery, run hills, you’ll thank yourself later. S – rest day…. 3 hours standing on exercise bike. Tension on max.

The concept of rest is moronic.      Evening: easy 15 miles (4:40).

Thanks for the laughs David!  Hope your feeling better soon. -Aaron TheYAM.net

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What does a Coach do! Going to a party!!! Not that I am a party animal but sometimes you have to and you want too! This past weekend  were the national championship races cyclocross. Unfortunately I could no go and watch, work was pilling up and to stay fit I had to workout too. Saturday afternoon I got a phone call from one of my athletes "cheering in my ear" he won. He won the junior Belgian National title, and if I could come over to party!!!!! That same evening they had a big party to celebrate his championship. A party with lots of soda, healthy food and no smokers! A real party for athletes that is what I like. I have great admiration for the cyclocross sport. Actually as I come to think about it they are the first duathletes ever. Or the first x-terra athletes? They ride hard on their bikes, jump over hurdles, ride in loose sand and run up steps etc etc. Cycling is hard but training for cyclocross is even harder. Just imagine going 1 hour plus anaerobic; ride, run jump climbing up stairs. Just for all of you who want to tri this fun sport! There is a real cyclocross workout in this newsletter (you can use your mountain bike instead of a cyclocross bike).   Have fun!!!!  BIKE WORKOUT OF THE WEEK: FCS 6: This is a specific cyclocross workout: Ride to a nice trail/piece of forest with some hills and loose sand! Look for a hill that is not too long and not too steep, this is your hill! Ride up this hill moderate speed and back down (twice) Ride up this hill in a somewhat harder pace (twice) Ride up this hill in your biggest gear at 50 rpm (twice) go down hard in small gear! – Do this total set twice but start second set when HR is under 130 bpm Ride easy for 10 to 15 minutes after second set. And go back to the same hill for more hard work! Ride to the beginning of the hill, get off the bike (carry your bike) and run up the hill. On top get on bike and ride down fast. Repeat 6 to 8 times! Ride easy for 30 to 60 minutes after second set. Have fun with this workout Workout for the Stationary trainer: FRK 1) Tacx training warm up 120 watt (10′) on 90 rpm). 1′ Left leg  +  1′ Right leg  push  on 80 rpm (140 watt) 1′ Left leg  +  1′ Right leg  pull on 80 rpm (160 watt) 10′  Big gear (220 watt) 50 rpm. 1′ Left leg  +  1′ Right leg  push  on 90 rpm (160 watt) 1′ Left leg  +  1′ Right leg  pull on 90 rpm (140 watt) 10′  Big gear (240 watt) 60 rpm. 10′ cool down easy. More free workouts and much more about training on our website www.stapsport.com

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What does a Coach do! Teach and learn! Yes I learn, everyday I learn. I think that is the most important thing about a coach. Learn from your athletes, hear what they have to say and fit it in. Fit it in the daily routine. A lot of my time as a coach I spend with talking with my athletes. On the phone and true email, talking about training and talking about life. Both should be in balance, total balance. When one is out of balance you can’t perform in either. And that is not what we want. Why did we start out to do this?? We like to be athletes, like the look, like to be strong!! Like to be fit and like to race and go fast. Have a personal victory. I know I like that, the personal victory. I think that is the most beautiful thing about triathlon, we all are winners. We are winners b/c we compeed. We are winners b/c we finish the race and we are winners just to be a triathlete. We have to work hard to be a triathlete. And when you are in balance everything goes even better. You perform well during training, you perform well working and can handle problems better in personal life! This week we will talk about running and running speed. RUNNING FASTER.. AND FASTER The session requires the athlete to run progressively faster as he/she gets progressively more tired. It goes something like this….. [the example times are based on a runner capable of 18.45 for 5000 metres, adjust times accordingly for faster and slower athletes] Warm up, then: run 400 metres at 3 seconds faster than your 5k racing pace; an 18 minute 45 second 5k runner (this speed for 5k probably equates to about 38.30 to 40 minutes for 10k pace depending on endurance fitness) is covering each 400 metres in around 90 seconds, so this 400 metres is aimed at 87 seconds… so far so good…… 400 metres recovery at about one minute per mile slower than race pace for 5k, this gives just 15 seconds slower than the effort 400 metres for your recovery, -just slightly faster than one and three quarter minutes for the 400 metres…..(all the recovery phases are done at this pace, this is important). Click here to read the article and see the workout ITU POWERMAN RACES (PLANNING) ITU POWERMAN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

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Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired). Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman and am taking off at o’dark thirty tomorrow morning to wend my way through all the tightened security at the airport and am *not* bringing my laptop with me…going completely against my Type A grain… I’ll post a short report after, and if I do get some computer access I’ll attempt to post a couple "atmosphere" posts.  I attended the race as a spectator in 1993 and am curious to see the differences between that and being a competitor (the incredibly obvious one notwithstanding); also having done Boston in ‘99 I am interested in seeing the contrasts between those two events as well. In the meantime, you all stay healthy, relatively sane and moving forward. "See" you soon. Mike C

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good luck say hi to The Man http://community.webtv.net/ultrajohn1/

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Good Luck! I am sure all the hard training will pay off  :) Ilene

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired). Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman and am taking off at o’dark thirty tomorrow morning to wend my way through all the tightened security at the airport and am *not* bringing my laptop with me…going completely against my Type A grain… I’ll post a short report after, and if I do get some computer access I’ll attempt to post a couple "atmosphere" posts.  I attended the race as a spectator in 1993 and am curious to see the differences between that and being a competitor (the incredibly obvious one notwithstanding); also having done Boston in ‘99 I am interested in seeing the contrasts between those two events as well. In the meantime, you all stay healthy, relatively sane and moving forward. "See" you soon. Mike C

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Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired).

Mike, Best wishes. I hope you enjoy the entire triathlon. Please tell the lava rocks along the marathon course that I said "Hi!" Rob

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weeee ,,,,, best wishes ,,,,, whip their pants off=)) plodzilla – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired). Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman and am taking off at o’dark thirty tomorrow morning to wend my way through all the tightened security at the airport and am *not* bringing my laptop with me…going completely against my Type A grain… I’ll post a short report after, and if I do get some computer access I’ll attempt to post a couple "atmosphere" posts.  I attended the race as a spectator in 1993 and am curious to see the differences between that and being a competitor (the incredibly obvious one notwithstanding); also having done Boston in ‘99 I am interested in seeing the contrasts between those two events as well. In the meantime, you all stay healthy, relatively sane and moving forward. "See" you soon. Mike C

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I am extremely envious. I can’t wait to hear your report. It is a goal of mine to participate in Hawaii one day, perhaps in about 5 years. I can only imagine the enornous amount of preparation you have gone through. Best of luck, Mike. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired). Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman and am taking off at o’dark thirty tomorrow morning to wend my way through all the tightened security at the airport and am *not* bringing my laptop with me…going completely against my Type A grain… I’ll post a short report after, and if I do get some computer access I’ll attempt to post a couple "atmosphere" posts.  I attended the race as a spectator in 1993 and am curious to see the differences between that and being a competitor (the incredibly obvious one notwithstanding); also having done Boston in ‘99 I am interested in seeing the contrasts between those two events as well. In the meantime, you all stay healthy, relatively sane and moving forward. "See" you soon. Mike C

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Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman

Whoo! Hoo! Go get ‘em, Mike!!! Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman, Model Railroader, Gamer

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Good luck, Mike.   – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, I should be posting this in rec.sport.triathlon, but I’ve spend more time here this past year and several months, so…and with all the training, I’ve not been posting much here, except for the occasional snotty retort…another side effect of the training (the sarcasm seems to increase with the level of being tired). Anyway all, on October 6 I will be doing my first (and hopefully not my last) Hawaii Ironman and am taking off at o’dark thirty tomorrow morning to wend my way through all the tightened security at the airport and am *not* bringing my laptop with me…going completely against my Type A grain… I’ll post a short report after, and if I do get some computer access I’ll attempt to post a couple "atmosphere" posts.  I attended the race as a spectator in 1993 and am curious to see the differences between that and being a competitor (the incredibly obvious one notwithstanding); also having done Boston in ‘99 I am interested in seeing the contrasts between those two events as well. In the meantime, you all stay healthy, relatively sane and moving forward. "See" you soon. Mike C

– Regards, Dave I’d love to think that there’s an end just waiting right around the bend, but every turn’s a tunnel.        I descend I’m the running man… Edward Ka Spell and kEvin Key, The Last Man to Fly, 1991

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David- I did one of these a couple years ago… It’s a no-brainer.  Somebody gets off a bike, tags your hand, and you run 10K… That’s about it. Only thing I remember being weird is you really don’t know what time you start… It’s not like a regular race where you can plan your stretching and warm-up because you know precisely what time the race starts… You kinda hafta make a best guess.  Also, I assume your tri has the teams running with regular folks doing the whole event individually?… Mine did, so be prepared to get dirty looks as the fresh-legged you blows by some really tired guys.  When I did mine I was going out on my opening mile at around 6 minute pace… Passed a guy doing about 8 minute pace… He heard me coming and said "Man!!!!… How do you look so fresh?"  I told him I was on a relay team to which he replied "Thank GOD!" But other than that, it’s just another run… Not sure I would do another one… I remember the entry fee was REALLY steep… I had to buy a one day membership in the American Triathlon Organization (or whatever the name of the sanctioning body is) and that was five bucks on top of the already expensive $30 entry fee just for me to run my one leg… I realize the logistics for a tri are pretty extensive, but holy cow… $35 to run a 10K is steep… More than double what I usually pay to race. However, we did win… -Chazzer

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. … Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races.

  Be careful with your pacing.  On any kind of relay there is a tendency to get fired up watching your teammate sprint in to the handoff and then blast off as hard as you can.  Control your early pace and realize that you won’t get any useful feedback on pace from the people around you.   Also, be ready and warmed up at least 10 minutes ahead of your teammate’s ETA in case he goes faster than expected.  If you’re concerned with your time, try to find out where the certified 10k actually starts since it may not coincide perfectly with the relay exchange zone.   Good luck,         Jason         Jason Blank                            Hopkins Marine Station Enloe HS ‘92, Duke ‘96, Stanford ??              Oceanview Boulevard "One of the greatest feelings in the world is to sprint as fast as you   can.  I would bet that 95% of people never do it once they turn 30.    So go down to the track or the sidewalk and do so tonight."      – Carleton "Buck" Jones

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Well, uh, I’m afraid to tell you how many teams we were competing against… It wasn’t many… It was a number slightly larger than three. …And slightly less than five.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Yeah, it’s $80 cdn (US $53) for a team, and I believe we all have to pay the one-day membership/insurance as well. But you know what? I think we’ll win, too. (I may be eating those words…) — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html – David- I did one of these a couple years ago… It’s a no-brainer.  Somebody gets off a bike, tags your hand, and you run 10K… That’s about it. Only thing I remember being weird is you really don’t know what time you start… It’s not like a regular race where you can plan your stretching and warm-up because you know precisely what time the race starts… You kinda hafta make a best guess.  Also, I assume your tri has the teams running with regular folks doing the whole event individually?… Mine did, so be prepared to get dirty looks as the fresh-legged you blows by some really tired guys.  When I did mine I was going out on my opening mile at around 6 minute pace… Passed a guy doing about 8 minute pace… He heard me coming and said "Man!!!!… How do you look so fresh?"  I told him I was on a relay team to which he replied "Thank GOD!" But other than that, it’s just another run… Not sure I would do another one… I remember the entry fee was REALLY steep… I had to buy a one day membership in the American Triathlon Organization (or whatever the name of the sanctioning body is) and that was five bucks on top of the already expensive $30 entry fee just for me to run my one leg… I realize the logistics for a tri are pretty extensive, but holy cow… $35 to run a 10K is steep… More than double what I usually pay to race. However, we did win… -Chazzer I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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I’d be getting in a few 400/800 repeats there, Steve I’m sure you’ll do great! Let’s see, 1986 was my first full year out of high school…. running was the LAST thing appealing to me at that point in time. I was more interested in Black Sabbath cranked up really loud and sleeping in until 2:00 in the afternoon every day. — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’m doing this for the first time a week after you.  My run leg will be 5 miles, following my teammates .5 mile swim and 15 mile bike.  I’m not preparing in a way other than I would for a normal road race. Of course, this particular road race will my first over 5k in literally more years than I can remember – I think the last time I raced over 5k was in 1986.  _That_ part I’m not looking forward to <grin. Steve "I’ll be happy with 37:00 for 5 miles" Freides I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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Yeah, it’s $80 cdn (US $53) for a team, and I believe we all have to pay the one-day membership/insurance as well. But you know what? I think we’ll win, too. (I may be eating those words…) — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David- I did one of these a couple years ago… It’s a no-brainer.  Somebody gets off a bike, tags your hand, and you run 10K… That’s about it. Only thing I remember being weird is you really don’t know what time you start… It’s not like a regular race where you can plan your stretching and warm-up because you know precisely what time the race starts… You kinda hafta make a best guess.  Also, I assume your tri has the teams running with regular folks doing the whole event individually?… Mine did, so be prepared to get dirty looks as the fresh-legged you blows by some really tired guys.  When I did mine I was going out on my opening mile at around 6 minute pace… Passed a guy doing about 8 minute pace… He heard me coming and said "Man!!!!… How do you look so fresh?"  I told him I was on a relay team to which he replied "Thank GOD!" But other than that, it’s just another run… Not sure I would do another one… I remember the entry fee was REALLY steep… I had to buy a one day membership in the American Triathlon Organization (or whatever the name of the sanctioning body is) and that was five bucks on top of the already expensive $30 entry fee just for me to run my one leg… I realize the logistics for a tri are pretty extensive, but holy cow… $35 to run a 10K is steep… More than double what I usually pay to race. However, we did win… -Chazzer I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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I’m doing this for the first time a week after you.  My run leg will be 5 miles, following my teammates .5 mile swim and 15 mile bike.  I’m not preparing in a way other than I would for a normal road race. Of course, this particular road race will my first over 5k in literally more years than I can remember – I think the last time I raced over 5k was in 1986.  _That_ part I’m not looking forward to <grin. Steve "I’ll be happy with 37:00 for 5 miles" Freides – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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Bernard posted that quote the other day, and I liked it immediately! Maybe he has the calendar you speak of. Thanks – maybe I will try a full one next year — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – David Did you get that quote from a calender..that was my page on my calender 3 days or so ago and I really liked it…. Good luck on the relay too, I just did a sprint distance( season opener) on Sunday, you will have fun and may end up doing the whole thing yourself next time Ally whose goals and aspirations lead her to stupidly train for too much stuff entirely!!!

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David Did you get that quote from a calender..that was my page on my calender 3 days or so ago and I really liked it…. Good luck on the relay too, I just did a sprint distance( season opener) on Sunday, you will have fun and may end up doing the whole thing yourself next time Ally whose goals and aspirations lead her to stupidly train for too much stuff entirely!!!

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I’ve made a somewhat last-minute decision to be the runner in an Olympic distance triathlon on Saturday; on a relay team. Obviously this means I’m running 10k. It’s more-or-less flat, sanctioned and certified, and will be interesting to say the least. Since I ran a tough 10k race on Tuesday, I will probably not be able to run a sub-37:00, which is my "flat 10k" goal. I will certainly give it a shot, though. I have another 10k in two weeks, too. Boy, talk about having a few chances. That one is certified and flat, too. Anyway, any advice about stuff that I may not know about? I’ve never done anything other than standard running races. thanks, — David (in Hamilton, Ont) "You can’t burn out if you’ve never caught fire." http://www.angelfire.com/nc/swstudio/racing.html –

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After writing my whining missive this morning about not getting into Ironman Canada 2000, I got a couple of e-mails this afternoon telling me that on-line entries would reopen at 4:00pm. Naturally, I had a meeting at 3:30pm that was certain to wear on, so I plopped a credit card, my driver’s license, and my USAT membership card into the hands of a co-worker (new triathlete) and asked him to bang on the server for me. About 5:00pm, I emerged from the meeting and jogged down the hall. He’d been getting "server is busy" messages when he tried to submit my info. But within a minute of my arrival in his office, I saw, "Congratulations, you are now registered for Ironman Canada…." on the screen. RST works a miracle! My, what a down and then up day. I’m normally described as somewhere between taciturn and comatose, but not this afternoon: much blabbing and more to come. To everyone who wrote with consolations, recommendations and (especially) the new registration opening time, my profuse thanks. You’re all wonderful! See you in Penticton. David

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David,     Glad to hear you’re in the race.  See you there!     In my case, I spent several frustrated hours Monday banging on the ActiveUSA site and finally got the entry form through. Jim Kueffner – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – See you in Penticton. David

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"Congratulations, you are now registered for Ironman Canada…." on the screen. RST works a miracle!

Congratulations, David. Perseverance and luck prevailed over a lousy system. Mike Tennent "IronPenguin" Ironman Canada ‘98 16:17:03 Great Floridian ‘99, 15:??:??

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see a doctor asap..coudl be the beginning of rabdo!

Exertional or exercise-induced Rhabdomyolysis is a strange condition and I don’t think well understood.   Having just spent 7 days in the hospital because of it, I cannot say I fully understand its consequences. For more info, check my post on "Triathlon malady" from yesterday. <a href="http://www.sma.org/smj/97may19.htm"more info</a Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I believe that it’s the dread malady jamesbrownitis . . .

But James Brown said: "I feel good" Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -heh — TriathRon                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) On your way to the doctor, think about your hydration.  You could be chronically dehydrated.  But it could be something much worse — so, see your doctor. Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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Well, who wouldn’t Feel Good with a Brand New Bag and Hot Pants . . . he musta felt like a Sex Machine, Superbad, ready to Give It Up in spite of his Cold Sweat, lookin’ for The Big Payback. He mighta said, ‘It’s A Man’s World, and I Got The Feelin’, Ain’t It Funky’.  . . . ok enuf JB geekness for one day — TriathRon ‘pastor of the Church of JB’                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I believe that it’s the dread malady jamesbrownitis . . . But James Brown said: "I feel good" Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD heh — TriathRon                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) On your way to the doctor, think about your hydration.  You could be chronically dehydrated.  But it could be something much worse — so, see your doctor. Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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OK, you win.  I shout Uncle.  I cannot respond to all this.  I have been beaten, Please, Please, Please…  stop Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Well, who wouldn’t Feel Good with a Brand New Bag and Hot Pants . . . he musta felt like a Sex Machine, Superbad, ready to Give It Up in spite of his Cold Sweat, lookin’ for The Big Payback. He mighta said, ‘It’s A Man’s World, and I Got The Feelin’, Ain’t It Funky’. . . . ok enuf JB geekness for one day — TriathRon ‘pastor of the Church of JB’                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) I believe that it’s the dread malady jamesbrownitis . . . But James Brown said: "I feel good" Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD heh — TriathRon                                     _                                  -    o     ‘             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/   /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) On your way to the doctor, think about your hydration.  You could be chronically dehydrated.  But it could be something much worse — so, see your doctor. Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance.

No, I don’t. See a doctor ASAP. Safest option — ignore net diagnoses. -Rolf —     "In rivers, the water that you touch is the last of      which has passed and the first of that which comes:      so with present time."   — Leonardo Da Vinci IMC94-14:07  IMC95-11:59  IMC97-12:12  IMC98-14:02  IMNZ99-11:52

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Ditto the above advice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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I have two pieces of advice.  The first thing is eat more.  Of what you ask? Of everything, especially DURING and after exercise.  Get your vitamins in surplus. Second, get yer sleep.  Take naps during the day if you have to. If neither of these help any, just experiment isolating one aspect of your lifestyle at a time until you find something that makes a difference. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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I’m with Rolf – go see a doctor. sounds scary. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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On your way to the doctor, think about your hydration.  You could be chronically dehydrated.  But it could be something much worse — so, see your doctor. Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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see a doctor asap..coudl be the beginning of rabdo!

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I believe that it’s the dread malady jamesbrownitis . . . heh — TriathRon                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_ `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / (ASCII art blatantly plagiarized from TriBaby’s sig . . . ) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – On your way to the doctor, think about your hydration.  You could be chronically dehydrated.  But it could be something much worse — so, see your doctor. Ray Plotecia Male Amateur, 50-54 Ruxton, MD Just recently I’ve been experiencing bouts of cold sweats, light-headedness and shakes after training. The weird thing is the attacks come on up to 2 hours after training and tend to follow short intensive sessions. The first time it happened I was driving home after a sprint tri  - it got so bad I had to pull over – I ate some fruit etc. and it gradually cleared after about 30 minutes. The latest happened tonight about 2 hours after a 10 mile time trial. I was walking my dog at the time and had to walk 2 miles to get home by which time it had cleared, without taking any food. Anyone know what’s going on here?  Thanks in advance. Andy

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I am only familiar with Triathlete, what are some other good magazines?

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I am only familiar with Triathlete, what are some other good magazines?

There really is only one in the States, and that’s Inside Triathlon.  It’s editorially superior to Triathlete in general, but Triathlete’s got the advantage of the glossy format with nice photos.  But Triathlete just can’t seem to accurately and consistently CAPTION their photos.  Not a major big deal, but annoying.  Having said that, and having been a regular Triathlete "basher" in the past, I am happy to say that the mag has shown very positive improvement lately.  Let’s hope the trend continues! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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Based on the praise for Inside Triathlon in this newsgroup I picked one up on my last trip (not available locally) and I was very disappointed.  Every article was about a race and who had what split time.  Now I enjoy reading an article or two about real fast people and their races, but I would appreciate a little more variety.  Articles about things like equipment, training, etc. would be nice. Just my 2 yen. PS I don’t know the issue date since I tossed the mag on the plane -sam – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am only familiar with Triathlete, what are some other good magazines? There really is only one in the States, and that’s Inside Triathlon.  It’s editorially superior to Triathlete in general, but Triathlete’s got the advantage of the glossy format with nice photos.  But Triathlete just can’t seem to accurately and consistently CAPTION their photos.  Not a major big deal, but annoying.  Having said that, and having been a regular Triathlete "basher" in the past, I am happy to say that the mag has shown very positive improvement lately.  Let’s hope the trend continues! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie

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I am only familiar with Triathlete, what are some other good magazines?

I read 3 tri mags each month: Triathlete-tricia likes to bash this publication, but I subscribe, and enjoy each issue. Inside Triathlon- Is a fine mag, possibly better than Triathlete.  But maybe it is just the volume of content in IT.   Being a Velonews publication does not hurt its status. Competitor-the Sports mag of Southern California, it is edited by Bob Babbitt, who is quite a good triathlete himself. while not sold as a tri mag, it is one by content.  For $15 a year, its also the best deal. On the web at www.competitor.com. Rob — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I am only familiar with Triathlete, what are some other good magazines? I read 3 tri mags each month: Triathlete-tricia likes to bash this publication, but I subscribe, and enjoy each issue. Inside Triathlon- Is a fine mag, possibly better than Triathlete.  But maybe it is just the volume of content in IT. Being a Velonews publication does not hurt its status. Competitor-the Sports mag of Southern California, it is edited by Bob Babbitt, who is quite a good triathlete himself. while not sold as a tri mag, it is one by content.  For $15 a year, its also the best deal. On the web at www.competitor.com. Rob — Rob Blomquist aka TriDog Seattle, WA http://www2.jps.net/~robbo

check out the british mag: 220. Expensive, but far superior the US trash out there.

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check out the british mag: 220. Expensive, but far superior the US trash out there.

Ah, there now, a third insiteful post and no request to be flamed. I trust you found the relief you so desperatly sought in alt.naughty.boy. No thanks is needed for the redirect. Joseph C. Foster

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Triathlete-tricia likes to bash this publication, but I subscribe, and enjoy each issue.

Hey, I take exception to this misleading statement.  It’s not that I "like" to bash Triathlete; sometimes the thing simply invites it due to extremely sloppy and amateurish writing, proofing, and layout.  However, I remarked elsewhere that I thought Triathlete had been improving in recent months, and it has. I’m not an ogre, honest! Tri-Baby                                      _                                   –    o      ’             –  __o       –    </_  `     ‘         –    <         – __/    /o_         – (()) (())        -  / "REAL Triathletes don’t draft." *** Ironman Canada 1997 – 13:04:09 *** http://www.stanford.edu/~brooksie        

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For sale: Brand New Titanium Triathlon Bicycle (700c) 76 degree seat tube angle 56cm seat tube/top tube Bi-sectional ovalized top tube Oversized stays Giant Carbon Bladed Fork Giant Carbon Bladed Seat Post Available as frame/fork, or with Ultegra 9spd, X-Wing aerobars, Specialized trispokes Please e.mail for information. I am hoping to sell this bike as soon as possible (it is a tad bit too big. OOOPS!!!) and it will be going for an outrageously low price. Cheers, Grant Check out www.xeroindustries.com for the scoop on the X-Wings.

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For sale: Brand New Titanium Triathlon Bicycle (700c) Please e.mail for information. I am hoping to sell this bike as soon as possible (it is a tad bit too big. OOOPS!!!) and it will be going for an outrageously low price.

What is the problem with including the asking price so that newsgroup readers can rule it in or out without the hassle of having e-mail you and wait for a reply? grouch…… grouch…… Hugh Enox

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We’ve had discussion on this topic a number of times recently. You you can find. I’ve written many of the responses, so you can search on my name as the author to get much of what’s there, for what it’s worth. I would also suggest that you visit the Quintana Roo website and read QRMan’s discussion of triathlon geometry. His site is http://www.rooworld.com. If these turn up dry for you, then post again and we’ll go into detail with you. I am looking to set up a Tri-Bike and really have no idea what separates a Tri-Bike from a road bike with are bars.

The main thing is the forward saddle position, which is designed to rotate the whole human machine forward about the bottom bracket spindle by about 5 degrees. The objective is to be comfortable and powerful while using the aerobars. How do you size a Tri-Bike?  Is the goal to have the seat high and the bars low for aerodynamics?  Do wheels make that much difference?

The QR website has good sizing information. The goal is a flat back and a useful angle between your legs and torso. Aero wheels don’t make nearly the difference that good positioning does, so getting your position with aerobars is the first thing. If you have any money left, then aero wheels would be next on the list. Are there any books on the subject? Any help would be greatly appreciated Doug Klang

Rick Denney Remember–free advice is worth what you pay for it!

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Help !!!   My wife and are in the market for two new bikes that we will use primarily for training (distances of less than 50 miles) and age group racing. She puts in about 500 miles a month and I get about 300. We live in southwest Michigan and the terrain is slightly hilly with little hills of no more than 300 ft. of elavation change. OK, the question is what bike will work best for us ? It seems that whoever is selling bikes has a tremendous story for buying their brand. My questions are do softrides Zipps or other areo designs work at below 25mph averages, and does this overcome the weight ? Next is frame material, aluminum, carbon, or titanium each has a camp that says thiers is best. Conventional seat posts or 78o, the roadies can’t be stupid if 78o posts are better why don’t they use them ? The next question is 26 wheels or 700c, there seem  to be no stats on any of this stuff just opinions. One of our biggest problems is that we have no dealers near us who are up on the issues and more importantly have no bikes it is a giant leap of faith to order up a bike that costs 2500 to 3000 with no first hand experience, so if anyone has practical experience with any of these issues please let us know if a bike that is designed for tri’s helped you to decrease your bike split while not effecting your run. BOTTOM LINE WE BOTH WOULD LIKE TO DECREASE OUR BIKE SPLITS

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| Help !!!   My wife and are in the market for two new bikes that we will use primarily for training | (distances of less than 50 miles) and age group racing. She puts in about 500 miles a month and I | get about 300. We live in southwest Michigan and the terrain is slightly hilly with little hills of no more | than 300 ft. of elavation change. OK, the question is what bike will work best for us ? It seems that | whoever is selling bikes has a tremendous story for buying their brand. My questions are do softrides | Zipps or other areo designs work at below 25mph averages, and does this overcome the weight ? | Next is frame material, aluminum, carbon, or titanium each has a camp that says thiers is best. | Conventional seat posts or 78o, the roadies can’t be stupid if 78o posts are better why don’t they | use them ? The next question is 26 wheels or 700c, there seem  to be no stats on any of this stuff | just opinions. First off, I wouldn’t get a Softride (I assume you’re thinking about the Power V) or Zipp if all you’re looking for is a bike for training; if you’re going to use the training bike for racing also, then you might want to consider those (my racing bike is a Zipp, and my primary training bike is a Klein). I’ve owned a TREK 2300 that worked well for training, except that after 2500 miles it lost its stiffness and got a little springy. My main training bike now is a Klein and I like it. Nice and stiff but still doesn’t beat me up on long rides (up to 100 miles). I use the Klein for most all of my training except for AT intervals; these I do on the aero bars on the Zipp, also do some longer rides on the Zipp but only occassionaly. | | One of our biggest problems is that we have no dealers near us who are up on the issues and more | importantly have no bikes it is a giant leap of faith to order up a bike that costs 2500 to 3000 with | no first hand experience, so if anyone has practical experience with any of these issues please let | us know if a bike that is designed for tri’s helped you to decrease your bike split while not effecting | your run. | BOTTOM LINE WE BOTH WOULD LIKE TO DECREASE OUR BIKE SPLITS | I believe that proper training is going to decrease your bike splits more than the type of bike you do your training on.

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Newsgroups: rec.sport.triathlon Organization: InterServ News Service Help !!!   My wife and are in the market for two new bikes that we will use pri marily for training (distances of less than 50 miles) and age group racing. She puts in about 500 m iles a month and I get about 300. We live in southwest Michigan and the terrain is slightly hilly with little hills of no more than 300 ft. of elavation change. OK, the question is what bike will work best for us ? It seems that whoever is selling bikes has a tremendous story for buying their brand. My ques tions are do softrides Zipps or other areo designs work at below 25mph averages, and does this overcom e the weight ? Next is frame material, aluminum, carbon, or titanium each has a camp that says  thiers is best. Conventional seat posts or 78o, the roadies can’t be stupid if 78o posts are be tter why don’t they use them ? The next question is 26 wheels or 700c, there seem  to be no stats o n any of this stuff just opinions. One of our biggest problems is that we have no dealers near us who are up on th e issues and more importantly have no bikes it is a giant leap of faith to order up a bike that c osts 2500 to 3000 with no first hand experience, so if anyone has practical experience with any of the se issues please let us know if a bike that is designed for tri’s helped you to decrease your bike s plit while not effecting your run. BOTTOM LINE WE BOTH WOULD LIKE TO DECREASE OUR BIKE SPLITS

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: So lets talk. Would any of you, given the chance, rather go someplace that : is not quite as well respected or doesn’t pay quite as much but is : surrounded with fabulous areas to train and race, or would you go to a : better respected, higher paying job that has poor triathlon training and no : triathlon series nearby? : For me, the extra compensation would have to be pretty high. I just about : split my time between work and training and don’t want to give up either, : since both are very serious commitments. I’d rather go for the training. : Cheers. Dave Dave,   You have the right attitude. My husband finished his PhD in ‘93 and moved to Minneapolis for a postdoc…I joined him last January and have since finished my PhD as well…we are now searching for jobs for next year and ‘quality of life’ is much higher on the list than the amount of money we will get paid…Two years in the city is more than enough…biking is horrible here…I have not ridden my racing bike since August…I miss trails and open roads.  Search for a job in a location where you will be happy…a great job is no good if you hate where you live. Karen

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…we are now searching for jobs for next year and ‘quality of life’ is much higher on the list than the amount of money we will get paid…Two years in the city is more than enough…biking is horrible here…I have not ridden my racing bike since August…I miss trails and open roads.  Search for a job in a location where you will be happy…a great job is no good if you hate where you live. Karen

This one hits close to home for me.  I spent almost 5 years working at a great R&D company in Houston, TX. but hated living in a metropolis. I gave up the convenience of unlimited shopping, restaurants, cheap gas, cheap housing for the perfect training local (Los Alamos, NM.)  We have miles and miles of uncrowded forrested roads (both paved and unpaved) , lots of hiking and running trails, a super indoor olympic pool, clean air, sunshine, skiing in the Winter, a safe place to raise my kids, etc, etc. Whats the down side?  Cost of living for one.  Its more expensive to live here believe it or not than most all of California. No selection in the local stores, We have to drive to Santa Fe for most of our shopping.  In short, if you don’t love the great outdoors and adobe its probably not the place for most people.  But I can hop on my bike from the house and ride forever without really worrying about traffic. That means alot to me.  I know what its like to live in the city and try and work out.  For me the choice was an easy one.   Life is too short to not spend it being happy. Mike

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Hello all, I am considering a job offer in Dallas and I am wondering what it might be like training in the Metroplex. To anyone who lives (or has) and trains in Dallas (or surrounding areas), I have a few questions: For Swimming try the Masters group at SMU or UT Arlington For cycling try any of the shops; they all have racing teams For Tri-groups try the community college in Irving(forgot the name!) For running definetely try White Rock. I don’t recommend it for riding. Generally speaking watchout for trucks and get out of town for some cool

 rides in the hills or in the flats(lots of head wind to challenge you) Good luck,

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Hello all, I am considering a job offer in Dallas and I am wondering what it might be like training in the Metroplex. To anyone who lives (or has) and trains in Dallas (or surrounding areas), I have a few questions: 1.  What kind of Triathlon club and or triathlete group training activites     are around. 2.  Where are the masters swimming groups? 3.  Are there and run training groups (for track workouts)? Where? 4.  How about riding, is it hard to find good places to ride without driving to     the edge of town? I know about White Rock. Any input would be greatly appreciated.  Please mail responses to Thanks in advance, Todd

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Hello all, I am considering a job offer in Dallas and I am wondering what it might be like training in the Metroplex.

Although I’m not from that area I’m in sort of the same situation. I’m just finishing my Ph.D and am currently on the job market. One of the key criteria for me to choose a place to work is the availability of training facilities. To others this seems ludicrous and they tend to roll their eyes and shake their heads. To me this seems perfectly reasonable. It also seems reasonable to other hammerheads I know. If you can choose where you want to live and work, and can do just a good a job at one place as another why not let the availability of good training, or a good triathlon series, or killer mountains, be a deciding factor. So lets talk. Would any of you, given the chance, rather go someplace that is not quite as well respected or doesn’t pay quite as much but is surrounded with fabulous areas to train and race, or would you go to a better respected, higher paying job that has poor triathlon training and no triathlon series nearby? For me, the extra compensation would have to be pretty high. I just about split my time between work and training and don’t want to give up either, since both are very serious commitments. I’d rather go for the training. Cheers. Dave

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