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Isn’t it just like 800 an hour regardless of most factors.

I hear these numbers but they don’t seem to translate into the kind of weight loss you’d associate with big numbers like that.  It may seem over the top, but to get down to 185 I had to weigh my food to get an accurate handle on what I was really consuming.  I train 12 hours/week, which theoretically means 1375 calories/day, but to remain 185 I don’t seem to be able to consume more than 3,000 calories/day. Perhaps I’m unusual, but I noticed in Lance’s training book, his coach said has to watch his calories very closely.  I seem to remember that he’s well under 3,000 calories a day to get to his race weight of 158 (but it’s also true that during the tour they eat 7,000 calories/day and still lose weight).

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Isn’t it just like 800 an hour regardless of most factors. I seem to recall that all the calcs and concrens always result in just a slight variation on this with small people being at the bottom of the scale and us robust types being near the highend. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Can someone please point me to a site where I can find the charts used to calculate calories burned while swimming, biking, running, etc? Thanks

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Isn’t it just like 800 an hour regardless of most factors. I seem to recall that all the calcs and concrens always result in just a slight variation on this with small people being at the bottom of the scale and us robust types being near the highend.

It varies considerably.  Running is a weight constant X miles.  Foir 190lbs, it’s about 140 calories per mile.  For me biking on mostly flat looks to be 40 cal per mile based on a HRM.  I can’t quite do 800/hr then.  Swimming I’ve only measured a few times, but it’s even lower for me, 650.  Racquetball can be as high as 1200/h1r.   — Jason O’Rourke www.jor.com

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Try this: http://www.brianmac.demon.co.uk/energyexp.htm hip

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Can someone please point me to a site where I can find the charts used to calculate calories burned while swimming, biking, running, etc?

Swimming, it’s going to be hard to get an authentic number unless you start calculating aerobic thresholds and such and compared exertion to your threshold. So much of it is technique that if you just used no variables charts you’re likely going to be hugely wrong. My college swim coach got a master’s thesis out of disproving the common  charts of the time that did say they could accurately peg swimming  the same way you can measure run/bike.  He took the team he was coaching at the time, and had them run a mile or two to determine a starting point for comparison. They had nice high heart rates, and were breathing hard at the end. Then he had them try to swim pace-wise what were supposed to be comprable "numbers" to heart rate/calories burned based on their run results.  To hit similar numbers, they had to go what was slow for them, really slow. He said his swimmers were not anywhere close to hitting the same heart rate they had on the run, and that a good number of them actually finished the swim with a lower heart rate than the resting heart rate he had recorded before they started the run.

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I’ve got a spreadsheet in excel that I developed a couple of years ago from an article in triathlon times.  Let me know if you would like a copy.

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Can someone please point me to a site where I can find the charts used to calculate calories burned while swimming, biking, running, etc? Thanks

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Oops, misunderstanding, MINE ! I read the post to interpret the race day.  Sorry for any ruffled feathers <wink – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -I believe she was referring to people who "bandit" their way into the actual race on race day.

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As a marshal out on the course at IMH, the ‘official party line’ is to pull any ‘bandits’ from the course. Hulaman does the bandit thing every year. And he has legions of supporters, locally. They actually summon a peace officer and arrest them.

I’m sorry but in 15 years of running and racing I have only been a bandit once, that was my first race in 1984, The Bay to Breakers.  I vowed never to Bandit again ;-0 honestly I’m sure you have me confused with someone else and I forgive you If you are referring to Cowman, again, I think you are mistaken. — Chris Davis "Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one’s courage" –Anais Nin http://www.hulaman.com

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 I remeber reading about this. The soloman did the course in the immediate days preceding the race. He clearly stated that the swim bouys were in place x (sorry, can’t remember how many) days before the event. Ask me to guess, and I would say he did it on Thursday.  It was a very  good story. awp in sd

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I think there’s a misunderstanding going on here. Lynne apparently misunderstood the original post, which specified doing the course in the days prior to the actual event.  And for that, of course, there would be no reason to "pull" anyone from anywhere. I believe she was referring to people who "bandit" their way into the actual race on race day. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Is this for real? Arrest them for what? Phil Squire IM http://w1.116.telia.com/~u11602093/home.html As a marshal out on the course at IMH, the ‘official party line’ is to pull any ‘bandits’ from the course. Hulaman does the bandit thing every year. And he has legions of supporters, locally. They actually summon a peace officer and arrest them. A guy did a series for a few years called "SoloMan" in Inside Triathlon. I think he said ‘98 would be his last year!

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Is this for real? Arrest them for what? Phil Squire IM

I think she’s talking about bandits on trying to do the course on the official race day.  Maybe. Mark Linenberg                                        o                       __o            </_                       <           __/    /o_           (()) (())           /

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Is this for real? Arrest them for what? Phil Squire IM http://w1.116.telia.com/~u11602093/home.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As a marshal out on the course at IMH, the ‘official party line’ is to pull any ‘bandits’ from the course. Hulaman does the bandit thing every year. And he has legions of supporters, locally. They actually summon a peace officer and arrest them. A guy did a series for a few years called "SoloMan" in Inside Triathlon. I think he said ‘98 would be his last year!

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He does not do it on race day…hence no problem with ‘banditting’. I think I recall he does it a day or two before the race; that being the case, there are buoys and a lot of people out on the swim course in the days leading up to the race.  Don’t know if the ‘actual’ turnaround point is marked permanently or not.  It is actually a rectangle, so there would need to be two points. In any event, it wouldn’t take much to determine what your 2.4 mile time is (based on other IM distances or through training) and go out for ‘x’ minutes and turn around.  In my book that’s about as close as you can get without being on the course on raceday. Augie Calabrese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The swim turnaround is marked, I believe permanently, but is difficult to see. Generally I’ll swim the course early in the week before the race and its about 1/2 mile from the last marker to the turnaround. Seems like it takes forever to get there. I haven’t heard about any "underground event" other than the Soloman story two or three years ago. I beleive he completed the course the day after the race. Cheers, Bernie Sher I remember a few years back, an rster deciding to do IM on the Thursday before the race.  Apparently he didn’t qualify, but still wanted the experience.  Does anyone know if this has turned into a regular underground event?  I’ve done the race so I know how easy the bike and run route are to follow, but I’m curious if the final turnaround point for the swim is marked. Larry

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As a marshal out on the course at IMH, the ‘official party line’ is to pull any ‘bandits’ from the course. Hulaman does the bandit thing every year. And he has legions of supporters, locally. They actually summon a peace officer and arrest them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A guy did a series for a few years called "SoloMan" in Inside Triathlon. I think he said ‘98 would be his last year!

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His name is Mark Lemmon from Columbus Oh.  His email is -Scott Scott Schnitzspahn USAT Level I Coach http://www.enduranet.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember a few years back, an rster deciding to do IM on the Thursday before the race.  Apparently he didn’t qualify, but still wanted the experience.  Does anyone know if this has turned into a regular underground event?  I’ve done the race so I know how easy the bike and run route are to follow, but I’m curious if the final turnaround point for the swim is marked. Larry

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The swim turnaround is marked, I believe permanently, but is difficult to see. Generally I’ll swim the course early in the week before the race and its about 1/2 mile from the last marker to the turnaround. Seems like it takes forever to get there. I haven’t heard about any "underground event" other than the Soloman story two or three years ago. I beleive he completed the course the day after the race. Cheers, Bernie Sher – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I remember a few years back, an rster deciding to do IM on the Thursday before the race.  Apparently he didn’t qualify, but still wanted the experience.  Does anyone know if this has turned into a regular underground event?  I’ve done the race so I know how easy the bike and run route are to follow, but I’m curious if the final turnaround point for the swim is marked. Larry

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I remember a few years back, an rster deciding to do IM on the Thursday before the race.  Apparently he didn’t qualify, but still wanted the experience.  Does anyone know if this has turned into a regular underground event?  I’ve done the race so I know how easy the bike and run route are to follow, but I’m curious if the final turnaround point for the swim is marked. Larry

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A guy did a series for a few years called "SoloMan" in Inside Triathlon. I think he said ‘98 would be his last year!

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I recently got the idea of triathlon put into my head.  I’m an experienced biker and my running and swimming are in good form, if not extremely fast. I can’t figure out how to properly train in three events without burning myself out.  Are there any good resources for this type of information? I’ve looked at a number of web pages, but haven’t found any good specifics yet. –Chris

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I am new also, and have found a lot of great information not only in this website but in Triathlete magazine which I know subscribe to.  Good luck

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I am new also, and have found a lot of great information not only in this website but in Triathlete magazine which I know subscribe to.  Good luck

Not only in WHAT website? What is the name of the book? Your post is like smelling the steak on the BBQ but not being allowed to partake  ;) –Chris

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I reserved every book in the library with "triathlon" in the title.  Lots of reading, some out-of-date but interesting data, and tons of help for getting into a training groove. Sara Livingston ’cause I’m cheap, the library’s only a mile away and they’re online

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Anyone know the dates and distance of this race?

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Anyone heard about Gulf Coast results yet? Do they have a web page?

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Anyone heard about Gulf Coast results yet? Do they have a web page?

There is a webpage at http://www.transitiontimes.com/gulfcoasttri.htm but does not have any reference to results. Results should, however, be posted at http://www.cftsommersports.com/results.htm as soon as they become available.  Last I checked, there were none. -Mark Johnson IMC97 http://www.math.princeton.edu/~maejohns

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writes: Anyone know the dates and distance of this race?

The Mighty Mite Triathlon will be held on July 19.  The race is a .4ms / 13mb / 3 mr. More information can be found in Runner Triathlete News (either the print magazine or web site — www.runningnetwork.com/RunTriNews) Lance Phegley Editor Runner Triathlete News

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July 19th right smack dab in the middle of summer

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what other rst:ers are coming to this?   i will bake fudge brownies & bring them, so make yourselves known: bring a banner, flag, etc., + signal on rst. peggy

I propose to have a RST get-together after the race next to the "Team Z" banner. Brian, Eric, Ron, Roxanne, or anybody else coming? You wouldn’t want to miss out on Peggy’s fudge. Great stuff! See you there, Holger (TriWhizz) — "Team Z" is a nonprofit club founded by Robert Nam, the owner of Triathlete Zombies. the link between Team Z and RST.

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Peggy and Holger and others, Yes I will be there and Rox has told me she will too.  Brian said he is not going to be there.  Look forward to seeing you all … anyone gunna bring a banner? Eric

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Going to New Orleans for a seminar this Thursday and Friday.  Staying at Marriott hotel at 555 Canal.  Any input on running routs and a pool appreciated.  I won’t have a car. Thanks Bob Johnson Largo, FL

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Going to New Orleans for a seminar this Thursday and Friday.  Staying at Marriott hotel at 555 Canal.  Any input on running routs and a pool appreciated.  I won’t have a car. Thanks Bob Johnson Largo, FL

I went to Tulane for grad school.  Tulane has a nice indoor pool at the athletic center.  I think you can get in for 5 bucks a pop.  Take the street car which runs right near your hotel to Tulane.  Probably quicker to pick up the Freret Bus, Bus number 14 (i think 14, but definitely Freret) at the same place you would get the street car.  Tulane has a general information number where you can get such info.  I can’t remember it but might be –(504)895-5000 — check the web. As far as running – everything is flat, save the bridge over the Mississippi.  Try running on the street car line in the middle of St. Charles until you get to Auduban park.  Then go wandering through there.  Don’t miss the riverview park which is on the river side of the Audubon Zoo (adjacent to Audubon park surprisingly enough).  I used to run at all hours and never had problems (the crooks are too slow and lazy ).  Have fun! If you’re going to break training – don’t miss the Praline Connection for a relatively cheap but very New Orleans meal.  Try the Zaire Gumbo. tc — Tate Cantrell Fairbanks, Alaska

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what other rst:ers are coming to this?   i will bake fudge brownies & bring them, so make yourselves known: bring a banner, flag, etc., + signal on rst. peggy

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Have you grown BORED of working out in forever warm and sunny weather? Do you crave a little variety; a variation from the ho-hum perfect training conditions to which you’ve become accustomed?!?  WELLLLLL, have I got an offer for you! Are you aware that as of December 15th Philadelphia has already broken its record for Dec. precipitation? It has rained at least 9 out of the past eleven days.  The 200 year old Yearly precip record also just recently fell as well.  Philly had record snow fall earlier in the year and we can only hope that the new year will provide us with another shot at the record!  A couple years ago we had a record number of ice storms, virtually closing down all major businesses (=paid time off, yea!) Starting to sound enticing?  It really is GREAT for when those old perfect training weather blues start kicking in! Anyway, I may have an opportunity for one lucky warm weather triathlete to experience the unpredictable delights of winter training in Philadelphia!  Affectionately refered to by locals as "The Pothole Capitol of the World" , Philadelphia offers a superb winter training experience that may make you wonder why you ever decided to live in a warm climate in the first place.   – Will there be floods making roads and trails impossibly impassable? – Will record snow fall allow you to spend quality time indoors with       your rollers or stationary bike? – Will ice storms enable you hearty runners to take a well deserved     break from the hard pounding of the roads and make you                 appreciate the pleasures of running in place on the treadmill? Yup, no doubt about it, Philly is truly a winter WONDER-land when it comes to training. And just think of the benefits that weaker swimmers will reap – endless opportunities to spend more time at the local indoor pool perfecting their strokes without being tempted by the distractions that warm sunny weather provides!!! But wait…that’s not all!  As a bonus you will also receive the privilege of realizing the cross-training benefits of shoveling snow, chipping ice and pushing cars out of snow ruts. I know, I know, you’re thinking this all sounds way too good to be true.  It’s not – we here in the Mid-Atlantic region have been keeping this utopian winter training climate a virtual secret! I guess it may be the holiday spirit kicking in, but I felt it would just be great if one of our fair-weathered friends could be given the opportunity to experience this first hand.   So here’s the deal – I am willing to swap homes for the winter months (perhaps Jan-April) with someone who lives in a warm, mostly dry, sunny, rolling hills type of place in the US which also has some cool people with whom to train.  Interested? Please send me all the vitals (name, address, average daily hi & low temps for each month, terrain, training group opportunities, etc.)  The winner will be announced by year’s end (not a lot of time to prepare so respond TODAY!)  If the response is as overwhelming as I anticipate, I may be able to make arrangements for some other locals to swap with our warm-weather friends for the winter!!  ACT NOW! -hug (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!)

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Have you grown BORED of working out in forever warm and sunny weather? Do you crave a little variety; a variation from the ho-hum perfect training conditions to which you’ve become accustomed?!?  WELLLLLL, have I got an offer for you! <snip Anyway, I may have an opportunity for one lucky warm weather triathlete to experience the unpredictable delights of winter training in Philadelphia!  

Laurie, although I love you dearly — FAT CHANCE. I’m not giving up my subtropical zone for anything. Yup, no doubt about it, Philly is truly a winter WONDER-land when it comes to training. And just think of the benefits that weaker swimmers will reap – endless opportunities to spend more time at the local indoor pool perfecting their strokes without being tempted by the distractions that warm sunny weather provides!!!

You’re right. I have grown used to all that outdoor swimming. In fact I have grown bored. I haven’t been in the water in 6 weeks — but today, it’s sunny and cool, and it is definitely time to hit the heated outdoor pool and swim in the sunshine. Thanks for the reminder. But wait…that’s not all!  As a bonus you will also receive the privilege of realizing the cross-training benefits of shoveling snow, chipping ice and pushing cars out of snow ruts.

It looks fun on TV. What’s it like? I’ve tried raking leaves for cross training, but shoveling snow? Intriguing. So here’s the deal – I am willing to swap homes for the winter months (perhaps Jan-April) with someone who lives in a warm, mostly dry, sunny, rolling hills type of place in the US which also has some cool people with whom to train.  Interested?

Ha Ha. (see above) Please send me all the vitals (name, address, average daily hi & low temps for each month, terrain, training group opportunities, etc.)  

Houston is flat, and during the summer, brutally hot and humid. Most of the winter months, we can wear t-shirts and shorts when training, because it is cool, dry and, often, beautifully sunny. Occ. , like now, it gets into the freezing range, but usually doesn’t last long.  Winter training in Houston is *great* and is my favorite time of the year. Heated outdoor 50 meter pool, good cycling courses (road and trail), and parks to run in.  The Gulf of Mexico is about 1 hour away. Come on down for a visit Laurie.         Mark A. Jenkins, M.D.         http://riceinfo.rice.edu/~jenkins

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!) the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related). We’re having a cold snap right now.  It’s clear and sunny, but a bit brisk.  It may not reach 70 today. QRman

Whatta shame!  We (in Philly) haven’t seen the sun in two weeks.  We just set all-time annual and monthly records for rainfall. — "The wrinkles only go where the smiles have been." — J. Buffett

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(Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!)

the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related). We’re having a cold snap right now.  It’s clear and sunny, but a bit brisk.  It may not reach 70 today. QRman

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!) the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related). We’re having a cold snap right now.  It’s clear and sunny, but a bit brisk.  It may not reach 70 today. QRman

Cold snap?  Ah, jeez. I thought -20 windchill was a cold snap. You remind of my Mom, who calls up to complain when Phoenix gets below 50 degrees Sheesh, I’d give a lot be down in San Diego running through the hills of La Jolla. Instead, my treadmill indoors…sigh. chaz

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!) the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related). We’re having a cold snap right now.  It’s clear and sunny, but a bit brisk.  It may not reach 70 today.

Or…. The South Bay (just north of San Jose, Ca) our clime isn’t as warm (or dry) as where Dan sits, but we have plenty of really good rides with lots a good climbs.  And, hey, the people are really cool John (as long as you’re not paying the rent $$$$…) K.

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<Snip Anyway, I may have an opportunity for one lucky warm weather triathlete to experience the unpredictable delights of winter training in Philadelphia!  Affectionately refered to by locals as "The Pothole Capitol of the World" , Philadelphia offers a superb winter training experience that may make you wonder why you ever decided to live in a warm climate in the first place.

She’s absolutely right.  I used to do summers in Colorado, winters in Arizona, made a few pilgrimages to California, Floridia and Brazil for training.  None compare to Philadelphia.   She also forgot to mention the "Crystal Clear Crud of the Schykull River" – which increases your bodies ability to store water, the new EPA warnings regarding the quality of the air – making your lungs stronger and the uninsured motorist chasing you down every back alley. (We do have beer and cable)   –Eric     Tri-????

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!) the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related). We’re having a cold snap right now.  It’s clear and sunny, but a bit brisk.  It may not reach 70 today. QRman Cold snap?  Ah, jeez. I thought -20 windchill was a cold snap. You remind of my Mom, who calls up to complain when Phoenix gets below 50 degrees Sheesh, I’d give a lot be down in San Diego running through the hills of La Jolla. Instead, my treadmill indoors…sigh. chaz

I agree, but I think I would get burned out if I could train outdoors year round.  I would miss that first warm weekend, usually in March or April, when it gets up near 70.  Valley Forge park gets crammed with weekend warriors and the Schulkyll trail is flooded with bikers, runners, and those damned rollerbladers.  I’m so psyched to train that time of year, it makes the time spent indoors all seem worth it. Besides, until you’ve seen Valley Forge park blanketed by snow, or Main St. in Manayunk around Christmas time, you haven’t lived. — "The wrinkles only go where the smiles have been." — J. Buffett

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Great post Elizabeth, as a native of Reading, PA I can certainly sympathize. I would definitely recommend San Diego as a winter training spot for you. It’s beautiful out here.  Only drawback is the water’s a little cold this time of year (high 50’s – low 60’s).  Come on out, lots of cool people to train with!  I don’t think I’ll switch with you though…  After undergrad in Boston I’m happy to be out here. Nancy

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Seriously, I am kicking around the idea of taking a short term contract assignment in a warmer climate and would appreciate any advice on the BEST place – other than Philly, of course – to train in the winter. Thanks!) the BEST place? maybe San Diego, North County (aka Silicon South, if your short term assignment is Software related).

QRman, know of any place in need of SAS programmers? Sheesh, I’d give a lot be down in San Diego running through the

hills of La Jolla. Hmmm, Chuck… one of my best friends from high school lives there, maybe I can somehow weasle out a 3 month invitation from him… Besides, until you’ve seen Valley Forge park blanketed by snow, or Main St. in Manayunk around Christmas time, you haven’t lived.

Louis, I’m afraid I’ve been spending a tad too much time down in Manayunk this winter (hence my inclusion in the top ranks of the "most winter weight gain" contest!) (For non-Phillyites, Manayunk is a part of the city included on the loop of the CoreStates Pro Cycling Championships that has all sorts of bars, boutiques, bars, restaurants, bars, art galleries, etc.) -hug

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Any place sounds better than Philly!  A place where the mayor once ordered the police to drop a bomb on  a buiding! Just to flame the fire a bit:  I live in a burb of Atlanta and the temp on Jan 2 is supposed to be 70 degrees! Today (12/30) was in the upper 60s. However, January and February are notoriously dreary . Good luck Sam Callan Question plaguing me as I was looking at a map of Hawaii: Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii?

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Yes, I agree that Power Bars etc. are way over priced and aren’t needed, but have you ever tried to eat a p.b. banana sandwich while running? -Andrew – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Powerbars and their ilk are the McDonalds burgers of sports nutrition: convenient and uniform. But you don’t _need_ them; there are viable alternatives. Why not go retro and use low-cost, readily available alternatives like bananas, fig newtons, and dried fruit? For those who realize that a little fat in their diet won’t kill them (especially when exercising vigorously and regularly), Peanut butter and banana sandwiches are good, as are peanut butter, raisen, and honey sandwiches. Worked for lots of jocks for lots of years… Dave Hayes

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writes: Yes, I agree that Power Bars etc. are way over priced and aren’t needed, but have you ever tried to eat a p.b. banana sandwich while running? -Andrew

Or, better yet, left a pb sandwich in your race kit in your car for a few days and then tried to eat it while running? JT

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  Sure seems like the sport drinks (All Sport is my fave), and high energy bars (ie: Tiger Milk, or Power Bars) are way over priced when you consider what’s in them. Seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to make reasonable facsimiles of these things at home. Anyone have recipes for these that they are willing to share? Thanks in advance… Best Regards, John (Followups to rec.sport.triathlon, or e-mail please).

A similar post hits r.s.t. and other related newsgroups about every six months.  Each time I see ‘em, I wonder, who has got the time to consider making their own Powerbars and such?  Between work/tri-spouse/kids and other-than-tri comittments, I have a hard enough time eeking out time to train. Augie Calabrese

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  Sure seems like the sport drinks (All Sport is my fave), and high energy bars (ie: Tiger Milk, or Power Bars) are way over priced when you consider what’s in them. Seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to make reasonable facsimiles of these things at home. Anyone have recipes for these that they are willing to share? Thanks in advance…

Powerbars and their ilk are the McDonalds burgers of sports nutrition: convenient and uniform. But you don’t _need_ them; there are viable alternatives. Why not go retro and use low-cost, readily available alternatives like bananas, fig newtons, and dried fruit? For those who realize that a little fat in their diet won’t kill them (especially when exercising vigorously and regularly), Peanut butter and banana sandwiches are good, as are peanut butter, raisen, and honey sandwiches. Worked for lots of jocks for lots of years… Dave Hayes Do NOT make the mistake of assuming that the ideas or opinions expressed here are even remotely similar to the ideas or opinions of my employer.

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 Sure seems like the sport drinks (All Sport is my fave), and high energy bars (ie: Tiger Milk, or Power Bars) are way over priced when you consider what’s in them. Seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to make reasonable facsimiles of these things at home. Anyone have recipes for these that they are willing to share? Thanks in advance… Best Regards, John (Followups to rec.sport.triathlon, or e-mail please). —

Look at the new zealand tri-page: http://www.actrix.gen.nz/users/thomsond/nztri.html, a few weeks ago I found some recipes there my favourite page: http://www.nonplusultra-esslingen.wwc.de

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  Sure seems like the sport drinks (All Sport is my fave), and high energy bars (ie: Tiger Milk, or Power Bars) are way over priced when you consider what’s in them. Seems like it wouldn’t be too hard to make reasonable facsimiles of these things at home. Anyone have recipes for these that they are willing to share? Thanks in advance… Best Regards, John (Followups to rec.sport.triathlon, or e-mail please). —

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Anyone have recipes for these that they are willing to share? Thanks in advance…

As to the sports activity drinks, I’m a Gookinaid E.R.G. (Electrolyte Replacement Glucose) *bigot*. Call Bill Gookin, the biochemist who invented it 27 years ago, in San Diego at 800.283.6505. Costs about a $1.00/qt. or $10.00/ 20qt. kilo size tub. Best product in the world that you’ve never heard of, so before you mess around with making your own, please check it out. I can email you some info, also. As to the bars, I prefer the Clif, and Trader Joe’s has them at a decent price in Southern Ca.     Now that you’ve read *my* preferences, I followed a recommendation found in this group a couple of weeks ago to check out recipes and such at…..http://www.slip.net/~leeway/food.html   There’s some really good stuff there…*including* a carbo load drink Respectfully, Terry V. Waggoner, Financial Consultant-Western U.S.                                     ‘A Mountain is Something You Don’t Wanta Mess With’ {Quote attributed to Frank Zappa – ’sanitized’ by me}

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Was the Winning Time timing transponder chip utilized in the Columbia Triathlon?  I know Lin-Mark timing did the results but was unsure about the chip.  If any athlete that did the race could respond that would be appreciated. Thanks

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Was the Winning Time timing transponder chip utilized in the Columbia Triathlon?  I know Lin-Mark timing did the results but was unsure about the chip.  If any athlete that did the race could respond that would be appreciated. Thanks

No the chip was not used. I don’t know why because I had to miss the pre race meeting. Andy

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The timing chip was not used because the manufacturer did not manage to deliver the chips in time for the race. TriRef

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Was the Winning Time timing transponder chip utilized in the Columbia Triathlon?  I know Lin-Mark timing did the results but was unsure about the chip.  If any athlete that did the race could respond that would be appreciated. Thanks No the chip was not used. I don’t know why because I had to miss the pre race meeting. Andy

The chip was not used because the timers tested it at another triathlon earlier in May.  The software did not work properly.   Rather than risk a problem, the RD and the timers decided to use run-score. Andy W.

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The chip was not used because the timers tested it at another triathlon earlier in May.  The software did not work properly.   Rather than risk a problem, the RD and the timers decided to use run-score. Andy W.

I was told by Mark Toretsky that they just didnot recieve a sufficient amount of chips in time for the race as the reason for not using them. TriRef

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Transponder chip bracelets were not used because they didn’t arrive in time. I ran a 5k timed by Lin-Mark about a month ago, in Haddonfield, NJ, using the Winning Transponder chip bracelets were not used because they didn’t arrive in time. I ran a 5k timed by Lin-Mark about a month ago, in Haddonfield, NJ, using the Winning time transponder chip.  It was great!

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: I heard there will be a mini triathlon in Pleasanton. CA this weekend : (July 15th).  Has anyone heard about this?  Details like where and : when and what the distances are?  Is it a good one for a beginner? The mini-tri will be at Shadow Cliffs Regional Park in Pleasanton. The event consists of a 400 yard swim, 12 mile bike, and 3 mile run. It’s a good first time race – clean water swim (about 75 degrees), relatively flat bike, and a circuitous trail run inside the park. The women start in the first wave at approximately 7:00am, men over 35 start in the second wave 5 minutes hence, and all others start 5 minutes thereafter. Call (209) 795-7832 for an entry form, or just show up circa 6:00am and pay your entry fee on the spot.  Have fun. — Charlie

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I heard there will be a mini triathlon in Pleasanton. CA this weekend (July 15th).  Has anyone heard about this?  Details like where and when and what the distances are?  Is it a good one for a beginner? thanks sandra

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I heard there will be a mini triathlon in Pleasanton. CA this weekend (July 15th).  Has anyone heard about this?  Details like where and when and what the distances are?  Is it a good one for a beginner? thanks sandra

The tri in Pleasanton is called "Tri for Fun".  They have 3 races a year (June, July and August) It is a great race to get started on (I did two years ago).   Usually there are 30 to 40% first timers at the race.  Distances are short (400yd swim, 12 mile bike, 3.1 mile run) and the race takes between an hour and two hours.  I have the phone number somewhere but you can contact "On your mark" productions (they also sponsor other races in that area) for info.  There is usually race day registration as well.  

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Hi all! I’m going to be in the market for a new bike, or at least a new frame,  soon. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions, good or bad, on the follow following:                    Litespeed Catalyst                    Slingshot (do these come in 700c?)                    LeMond Boomerang                    Kestrel 200 series (SC, SCi, EMS)                    Serotta TTR or CRs (SC, SCi, EMS)                    Serotta TTR or CRs (SC, SCi, EMS)

Kestrel is in big financial trouble.  They have reverted to their majority stockholder, a japanese company and it is up in the air whether they will continue to exist. -Terry

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Hi all! I’m going to be in the market for a new bike, or at least a new frame,  soon. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions, good or bad, on the follow following:                       Litespeed Catalyst

Sorry no experience.                       Slingshot (do these come in 700c?)

The Slingshot comes in two road versions.  The 26" 78 degree s.t. tri version, and a traditional road geometry with 700c wheels.  I would consider this in the same category as a Softride (which I have) in that it is going to be radically different, and you definitely need to try to log some serious miles before committing to it.                       LeMond Boomerang

This has been plagued with production problems, and I don’t think you can actually buy it yet (although I know Nytro has been advertising it).                       Kestrel 200 series (SC, SCi, EMS)

Personally, I just sold my Kestrel 4000 SC, and I doubt if I’ll every have a carbon-fiber training/racing bike again (these sentiments are also shared by another local triathlete, see below).  In Florida, I didn’t have much problems, but when I moved to NM (rockies) I have had a lot of wear-and-tear on the frame.  We have long, high-speed descents and any debris (small rocks/pebbles) on the road (especially from sanding the roads in the winter) reeks havoc with a carbon frame.  Instead of chipping the paint when a rock hits your frame, small chunks actually get torn away.  After 2-3 years of this, you have to send back your frame to Kestrel to have it reconditioned (~$150). I have a chrom-moly bike a ride in the winters out here, but my friend with a 200 EMS doesn’t.  He has had to send his bike back to Kestrel every year. This is a very common story I’ve heard (at least out west).  With Kestrel’s impending finacial difficulties, I would really evaluate carefully whether to buy.  Have you considered a Trek 5000 series frame?  A dealer was going to sell me one this spring from ~$1K.                       Serotta TTR or CR

A friend of mine is just building a TTR up (he switched from a 200 EMS). If you are still interested in a couple of weeks, I can let you know what he thinks. — Pat Brug, Ph.D.   Los Alamos National Laboratory "Home of the TriATOMICS" compuserve:  72410, 3372        

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Hi all! I’m going to be in the market for a new bike, or at least a new frame,  soon. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions, good or bad, on the follow following:                         Litespeed Catalyst                         Slingshot (do these come in 700c?)                         LeMond Boomerang                         Kestrel 200 series (SC, SCi, EMS)                         Serotta TTR or CRs (SC, SCi, EMS)                         Serotta TTR or CRs (SC, SCi, EMS)

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Hi all! I’m going to be in the market for a new bike, or at least a new frame,  soon. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions, good or bad, on the follow following:                    Litespeed Catalyst                    Slingshot (do these come in 700c?)                    LeMond Boomerang                    Kestrel 200 series (SC, SCi, EMS)                    Serotta TTR or CR

        Sorry about that original post. My editor went a little screwy (or         maybe I did). Anyway, a couple of these are dream bikes for me, but         I figured I’d ask anyway. Right now I’m on a 4-5 year old Nishiki         Altron that’s starting to rust due to years of very salty triathlons         (salt water and sweat— I’ve done pretty much all I can to keep this         from happening, but in Florida triathlons, it’s unavoidable).                         Thanks,                                 Acey    

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